<sandro> ScribeNick: baojie
(Scribe set to Jie Bao)
<sandro> Present: Sandro, ruttenberg, Evan_Wallace, baojie, msmith, MarkusK, Ivan, IanH, mschneid, bmotik, zimmer, Zhe, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Achille
13:02:18 <baojie> Topic: Admin
13:02:18 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
13:02:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, alanr, Evan_Wallace, IanH, baojie, msmith, MarkusK_, Ivan, ??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, alanr, Evan_Wallace, IanH, baojie, msmith, MarkusK_, Ivan, ??P1 ←
13:02:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see msmith, MarkusK_, IanH, Zakim, ewallace, schneid, bmotik, alanr, ivan, zimmer, baojie, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see msmith, MarkusK_, IanH, Zakim, ewallace, schneid, bmotik, alanr, ivan, zimmer, baojie, sandro, trackbot ←
13:03:32 <baojie> roll call
roll call ←
13:03:58 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
13:03:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, alanr, Evan_Wallace, IanH, baojie, msmith, MarkusK_, Ivan, schneid (muted), bmotik (muted), +03539149aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, alanr, Evan_Wallace, IanH, baojie, msmith, MarkusK_, Ivan, schneid (muted), bmotik (muted), +03539149aacc ←
13:04:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see msmith, MarkusK_, IanH, Zakim, ewallace, schneid, bmotik, alanr, ivan, zimmer, baojie, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see msmith, MarkusK_, IanH, Zakim, ewallace, schneid, bmotik, alanr, ivan, zimmer, baojie, sandro, trackbot ←
13:04:28 <baojie> subtopic: Agenda amendments?
13:04:29 <baojie> no
no ←
13:05:45 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
13:05:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, alanr, Evan_Wallace, IanH, baojie, msmith (muted), MarkusK_, Ivan, schneid (muted), bmotik (muted), zimmer, Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, alanr, Evan_Wallace, IanH, baojie, msmith (muted), MarkusK_, Ivan, schneid (muted), bmotik (muted), zimmer, Zhe ←
13:05:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Zhe, msmith, MarkusK_, IanH, Zakim, ewallace, schneid, bmotik, alanr, ivan, zimmer, baojie, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Zhe, msmith, MarkusK_, IanH, Zakim, ewallace, schneid, bmotik, alanr, ivan, zimmer, baojie, sandro, trackbot ←
<baojie> subtopic: Previous Minutes
13:06:08 <baojie> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (1 July)
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (1 July) ←
13:06:16 <alanr> I looked
Alan Ruttenberg: I looked ←
13:06:19 <alanr> ok for me
Alan Ruttenberg: ok for me ←
13:06:25 <baojie> Ian: i think it is in good shape
Ian Horrocks: i think it is in good shape ←
13:06:26 <zimmer> looks good
Antoine Zimmermann: looks good ←
13:06:31 <ewallace> I thought they were fine. Of course.
Evan Wallace: I thought they were fine. Of course. ←
13:06:43 <baojie> ... ok, passed
... ok, passed ←
13:07:06 <IanH> RESOLVED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2009-07-01
RESOLVED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2009-07-01 ←
13:07:31 <baojie> Subtopic: Action items status
<baojie> Ian: there is no pending review actions.
Ian Horrocks: there is no pending review actions. ←
13:07:48 <baojie> Subsubtopic: Action 331
<baojie> Action 331: About 1 month out to do accessibility audit / Bijan Parsia
ACTION-331: About 1 month out to do accessibility audit / Bijan Parsia ←
13:08:11 <baojie> Ian: how urgent it is
Ian Horrocks: how urgent it is ←
13:08:16 <baojie> Sandro: it is urgent
Sandro Hawke: it is urgent ←
13:08:17 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
13:08:20 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
13:08:20 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
13:08:26 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
13:08:30 <baojie> Ian: I will get Bijan acts on this
Ian Horrocks: I will get Bijan acts on this ←
13:08:36 <ewallace> Sandro: I'd say we have to have it done by the next publication.
Sandro Hawke: I'd say we have to have it done by the next publication. [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
13:08:46 <baojie> schneid: what the problem is?
Michael Schneider: what the problem is? ←
13:09:14 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
13:09:14 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
13:09:59 <alanr> I sent him a quick skype note, but am not sure he is on line now
Alan Ruttenberg: I sent him a quick skype note, but am not sure he is on line now ←
13:10:10 <ewallace> Sandro: the main thing is that there must be alt text for any figures.
Sandro Hawke: the main thing is that there must be alt text for any figures. [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
13:10:14 <sandro> sandro: the accessibility audit is to make sure that all our documents are appropriately accessible to people with various disabilities, eg with alt text on images, etc.
Sandro Hawke: the accessibility audit is to make sure that all our documents are appropriately accessible to people with various disabilities, eg with alt text on images, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
13:10:35 <bmotik> ZAkim, unmute me
Boris Motik: ZAkim, unmute me ←
13:10:35 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
13:10:37 <sandro> action: ian to push along the accessibility audit of our documents
ACTION: ian to push along the accessibility audit of our documents ←
13:10:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-345 - Push along the accessibility audit of our documents [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-07-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-345 - Push along the accessibility audit of our documents [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-07-22]. ←
13:10:48 <baojie> Action: on Ian to ping Bijan or somebody else for solution to ACTION-331 (accessibility audit)
ACTION: on Ian to ping Bijan or somebody else for solution to ACTION-331 (accessibility audit) ←
13:10:48 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - on ←
13:10:56 <sandro> I got in baojie
Sandro Hawke: I got in baojie ←
13:11:01 <sandro> I mean, "I got it"
Sandro Hawke: I mean, "I got it" ←
13:11:01 <baojie> Action: Ian to ping Bijan or somebody else for solution to ACTION-331 (accessibility audit)
ACTION: Ian to ping Bijan or somebody else for solution to ACTION-331 (accessibility audit) ←
13:11:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-346 - Ping Bijan or somebody else for solution to ACTION-331 (accessibility audit) [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-07-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-346 - Ping Bijan or somebody else for solution to ACTION-331 (accessibility audit) [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-07-22]. ←
13:11:30 <baojie> Ian: Action 344 Clarity the description of datatype maps in Syntax and Conformance / Boris Motik
Ian Horrocks: ACTION-344 Clarity the description of datatype maps in Syntax and Conformance / Boris Motik ←
<baojie> Subsubtopic: Action 344
<baojie> Action 344: Clarity the description of datatype maps in Syntax and Conformance / Boris Motik
ACTION-344: Clarity the description of datatype maps in Syntax and Conformance / Boris Motik ←
<baojie> bmotik: I have done something but haven't sent email yet.
Boris Motik: I have done something but haven't sent email yet. ←
13:11:45 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
13:11:45 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
13:12:01 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
13:12:01 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
13:12:06 <baojie> Ian: Brois, you may send an email and let's talk offline
Ian Horrocks: Brois, you may send an email and let's talk offline ←
13:12:21 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
13:12:24 <baojie> topic: Issues/comments
13:12:24 <baojie> subtopic: Michael Schneider's proposal to make certain ontology properties of OWL 2 Full into annotation properties
13:12:46 <baojie> schneid: there are several ontology properties in OWL 2 Full
Michael Schneider: there are several ontology properties in OWL 2 Full ←
13:13:03 <baojie> ... that are annotation properties in the structural spec
... that are annotation properties in the structural spec ←
13:13:31 <baojie> ... ontology properties are the ones map from ontologies to ontologies
... ontology properties are the ones map from ontologies to ontologies ←
13:13:46 <baojie> ... they are not annotation properties in OWL 2 DL
... they are not annotation properties in OWL 2 DL ←
13:14:07 <baojie> ... That may lead to problems in RL rules
... That may lead to problems in RL rules ←
13:15:28 <baojie> ... My proposal is to have the ontology properties be additionally annotation properties
... My proposal is to have the ontology properties be additionally annotation properties ←
13:15:53 <baojie> ... This will only change the RDF-based semantics
... This will only change the RDF-based semantics ←
13:16:11 <baojie> Ian: idea? I trust Michael
Ian Horrocks: idea? I trust Michael ←
13:16:22 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
13:16:22 <alanr> what happens if someone was querying for x ?type :OntologyProperty
Alan Ruttenberg: what happens if someone was querying for x ?type :OntologyProperty ←
13:16:26 <baojie> schneid: It is a minor change
Michael Schneider: It is a minor change ←
13:16:27 <ivan> ack schneid
Ivan Herman: ack schneid ←
13:16:29 <alanr> backwards compatibility issue?
Alan Ruttenberg: backwards compatibility issue? ←
13:16:31 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
13:16:51 <baojie> Ivan: CR is about implementation issue. I won't worry about that. Let's wait for feedback.
Ivan Herman: CR is about implementation issue. I won't worry about that. Let's wait for feedback. ←
13:17:23 <IanH> PROPOSED: make changes as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jun/0095.html
PROPOSED: make changes as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jun/0095.html ←
13:17:33 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
13:17:35 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
13:17:36 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
13:17:37 <baojie> +1
+1 ←
13:17:38 <alanr> 0
Alan Ruttenberg: 0 ←
13:17:56 <zimmer> 0
13:18:04 <MarkusK_> 0
Markus Krötzsch: 0 ←
13:18:07 <alanr> q+ to ask about backwards compatiity
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask about backwards compatiity ←
13:18:53 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
<baojie> alanr: will there still be ontology properties?
Alan Ruttenberg: will there still be ontology properties? ←
13:18:53 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask about backwards compatiity
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask about backwards compatiity ←
13:18:58 <baojie> schneid: the changes is trivial
Michael Schneider: the changes is trivial ←
13:19:08 <baojie> ... it is a conservative change
... it is a conservative change ←
13:19:18 <alanr> ok
Alan Ruttenberg: ok ←
13:19:41 <alanr> alan changes vote to +1
Alan Ruttenberg: alan changes vote to +1 ←
13:19:53 <IanH> schneid: changes are conservative
Michael Schneider: changes are conservative [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ] ←
13:19:59 <ivan> schneid: all property that were ontology properties stay so
Michael Schneider: all property that were ontology properties stay so [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ] ←
13:20:16 <ivan> ... they just get an additional annotation property typing
Ivan Herman: ... they just get an additional annotation property typing ←
13:20:25 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
13:20:33 <IanH> PROPOSED: make changes as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jun/0095.html
PROPOSED: make changes as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jun/0095.html ←
13:20:34 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
13:20:34 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
13:20:36 <MarkusK_> +1 (convinced now :)
Markus Krötzsch: +1 (convinced now :) ←
13:20:37 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
13:20:37 <Zhe> +1
13:20:37 <baojie> +1
+1 ←
13:20:38 <schneid> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
13:20:39 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
13:20:44 <zimmer> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
13:20:48 <msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
13:20:57 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
13:21:01 <IanH> RESOLVED: make changes as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jun/0095.html
RESOLVED: make changes as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jun/0095.html ←
13:21:35 <baojie> subtopic: Michael Schneider's proposal to require at least one property for key axioms
13:21:51 <baojie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jul/0005.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jul/0005.html ←
13:22:56 <baojie> schneid: there is no constraint on the size of the argument list of owl:hasKey
Michael Schneider: there is no constraint on the size of the argument list of owl:hasKey ←
13:23:18 <baojie> ... so it is possible to have it on an empty list of properties
... so it is possible to have it on an empty list of properties ←
13:23:25 <bmotik> And I've already fixed this
Boris Motik: And I've already fixed this ←
13:23:38 <baojie> ... my proposal is to restrict hasKey to be on at least one property
... my proposal is to restrict hasKey to be on at least one property ←
13:23:40 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
13:23:40 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
13:23:53 <baojie> Ian: it is a bug - Boris has already fixed it
Ian Horrocks: it is a bug - Boris has already fixed it ←
13:24:20 <IanH> PROPOSED: fix problem with key axioms as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jul/0005.html
PROPOSED: fix problem with key axioms as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jul/0005.html ←
13:24:23 <zimmer> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
13:24:24 <baojie> +1
+1 ←
13:24:26 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
13:24:28 <msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
13:24:29 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
13:24:30 <Zhe> +1
13:24:34 <MarkusK_> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
13:24:38 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
13:24:57 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
13:25:06 <IanH> RESOLVED: fix problem with key axioms as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jul/0005.html
RESOLVED: fix problem with key axioms as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2009Jul/0005.html ←
13:25:07 <schneid> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
13:25:23 <baojie> subtopic: Holger Knublauch's LC Comment -- Request for OWL 2 vocabulary file
13:25:29 <baojie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-comments/2009Jul/0007.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-comments/2009Jul/0007.html ←
13:25:35 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
13:25:40 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
13:25:40 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
13:25:44 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
13:25:49 <baojie> Ian: he is asking for an OWL file, similar to that of OWL 1
Ian Horrocks: he is asking for an OWL file, similar to that of OWL 1 ←
13:26:45 <baojie> schneid: They need a file of axiomatic triples of OWL 2 Full which completes that of OWL 1 Full. We may add to RDF-based Semantics a section on axiomatic triples. That may also help developers.
Michael Schneider: They need a file of axiomatic triples of OWL 2 Full which completes that of OWL 1 Full. We may add to RDF-based Semantics a section on axiomatic triples. That may also help developers. ←
13:26:47 <msmith> q+ to ask if the file had any WG status in WebOnt
Mike Smith: q+ to ask if the file had any WG status in WebOnt ←
13:26:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:26:58 <ewallace> It's just an rdf description of the OWL2 vocabulary, like we have for OWL1, isn't it?
Evan Wallace: It's just an rdf description of the OWL2 vocabulary, like we have for OWL1, isn't it? ←
13:27:04 <schneid> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Fragments_Proposal#Theorem-PR1
Michael Schneider: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Fragments_Proposal#Theorem-PR1 ←
13:27:58 <schneid> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RDF-Based_Semantics#Appendix:_Axiomatic_Triples_.28Informative.29
Michael Schneider: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RDF-Based_Semantics#Appendix:_Axiomatic_Triples_.28Informative.29 ←
13:29:18 <baojie> schneid: We may have the RDF semantics rules explicit encoded
Michael Schneider: We may have the RDF semantics rules explicit encoded ←
13:29:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:29:39 <baojie> ... I can do this
... I can do this ←
13:30:04 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:30:10 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
13:30:10 <Zakim> msmith, you wanted to ask if the file had any WG status in WebOnt
Zakim IRC Bot: msmith, you wanted to ask if the file had any WG status in WebOnt ←
13:30:12 <alanr> zakim, what is the passcode?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, what is the passcode? ←
13:30:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 6951 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 6951 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), alanr ←
13:30:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:30:24 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
13:30:26 <baojie> Mike: i don't have a problem with schneid's proposal
Mike Smith: i don't have a problem with schneid's proposal ←
13:30:35 <ewallace> owl.owl or owl.rdf?
Evan Wallace: owl.owl or owl.rdf? ←
13:30:55 <schneid> owl.owl is in the OWL Reference, so its informative I guess
Michael Schneider: owl.owl is in the OWL Reference, so its informative I guess ←
13:30:59 <baojie> Mike: just to check what WG status the owl.owl file will be. The problem is whether it will be normative or informative.
Mike Smith: just to check what WG status the owl.owl file will be. The problem is whether it will be normative or informative. ←
<baojie> Ian: We have decided earlier not to prodcude an owl.owl file for OWL 2, since the one for OWL 1 was not widely used. Anybody think we should have such a file for OWL 2?
Ian Horrocks: We have decided earlier not to prodcude an owl.owl file for OWL 2, since the one for OWL 1 was not widely used. Anybody think we should have such a file for OWL 2? ←
13:31:19 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:31:23 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
13:31:24 <ewallace> pfps Please use code OWL1 (6951) instead of
Evan Wallace: pfps Please use code OWL1 (6951) instead of ←
13:31:25 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
13:31:26 <ewallace> "OWLWG"
Evan Wallace: "OWLWG" ←
13:31:37 <pfps> q+
13:31:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:31:42 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
13:33:11 <schneid> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
13:33:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:33:14 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
13:33:22 <zimmer> ivan: the OWL uri should be dereferenceable
Ivan Herman: the OWL uri should be dereferenceable [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
13:33:23 <alanr> I see http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl.rdf
Alan Ruttenberg: I see http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl.rdf ←
13:33:30 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
13:34:05 <zimmer> ... and dereferencing to an outdated doc is maybe not a good idea
Antoine Zimmermann: ... and dereferencing to an outdated doc is maybe not a good idea ←
13:34:37 <alanr> Ivan, where is this currently served from?
Alan Ruttenberg: Ivan, where is this currently served from? ←
13:34:48 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:35:08 <IanH> pfps: doesn't want to have something that is only likely to be misunderstood
Peter Patel-Schneider: doesn't want to have something that is only likely to be misunderstood [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ] ←
13:35:33 <baojie> Ivan: there should be a file containing all OWL 2 axiomatic triples.
Ivan Herman: there should be a file containing all OWL 2 axiomatic triples. ←
13:35:54 <baojie> ivan: as schneid proposed
Ivan Herman: as schneid proposed ←
<baojie> sandro: you should provide the RDF triples in some reasonable way.
Sandro Hawke: you should provide the RDF triples in some reasonable way. ←
13:35:34 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
13:35:40 <alanr> ah, ok at http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl# there is owl served
Alan Ruttenberg: ah, ok at http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl# there is owl served ←
13:35:44 <alanr> currently
Alan Ruttenberg: currently ←
13:35:47 <IanH> ack sandro
Ian Horrocks: ack sandro ←
13:36:04 <pfps> Umm. There are an infinite number of axiomatic triples even for RDFS.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Umm. There are an infinite number of axiomatic triples even for RDFS. ←
13:36:24 <alanr> might take a while to download ;-)
Alan Ruttenberg: might take a while to download ;-) ←
13:36:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:36:41 <sandro> :-) alan
Sandro Hawke: :-) alan ←
13:36:42 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
13:36:52 <baojie> schneid: my proposal is to the axiomatic triples explicit by ourselves
Michael Schneider: my proposal is to the axiomatic triples explicit by ourselves ←
13:37:26 <baojie> ... the RDF-based semantics gives one possible way to create it
... the RDF-based semantics gives one possible way to create it ←
13:38:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:38:30 <baojie> ... my prposal will not add new information to doc
... my prposal will not add new information to doc ←
13:38:59 <baojie> ... just have explicit encodeing of the rdf-based semantics (axiomatic triples)
... just have explicit encodeing of the rdf-based semantics (axiomatic triples) ←
13:39:18 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:39:25 <baojie> Ian: I think that's a separate isue. You are talking about a spec document
Ian Horrocks: I think that's a separate isue. You are talking about a spec document ←
13:39:29 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:39:49 <baojie> ... the others are talking about file of the OWL 2's URI
... the others are talking about file of the OWL 2's URI ←
<baojie> ivan: my understanding is they are the same thing. What Michael will produce is an RDF/XML, or other format, file with axiomatic triples.
Ivan Herman: my understanding is they are the same thing. What Michael will produce is an RDF/XML, or other format, file with axiomatic triples. ←
13:39:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:40:31 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:40:40 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
13:40:40 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
13:40:43 <alanr> minimal dereferencable document could be a set of triples with each vocabulary term rdfs:isDefinedBy link to spec
Alan Ruttenberg: minimal dereferencable document could be a set of triples with each vocabulary term rdfs:isDefinedBy link to spec ←
13:40:58 <baojie> Ivan: my undertanding is schneid's proposal is to create an RDF file
Ivan Herman: my undertanding is schneid's proposal is to create an RDF file ←
13:41:27 <schneid> yes, this is absolutely specific to OWL 2 Full
Michael Schneider: yes, this is absolutely specific to OWL 2 Full ←
13:41:53 <baojie> Ian: i thinks schneid's proposal is to add something to RDF-based semantics
Ian Horrocks: i thinks schneid's proposal is to add something to RDF-based semantics ←
13:41:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:42:04 <ewallace> How is this different from what we have for OWL1 now?
Evan Wallace: How is this different from what we have for OWL1 now? ←
13:42:08 <pfps> q+
13:42:19 <baojie> ... and you (Ivan) think is to extract that part into a file
... and you (Ivan) think is to extract that part into a file ←
13:42:21 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
13:42:46 <baojie> pfps: the current doc is not a set of axiomization triples
Peter Patel-Schneider: the current doc is not a set of axiomization triples ←
13:43:03 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
13:43:04 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
13:43:04 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:43:09 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
13:43:17 <baojie> s/axiomization/axiomized
s/axiomization/axiomized ←
13:43:18 <schneid> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
13:43:35 <baojie> pfps: there was a RDF schema for OWL 1
Peter Patel-Schneider: there was a RDF schema for OWL 1 ←
13:43:35 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
13:43:40 <schneid> it is *extremely* incomplete
Michael Schneider: it is *extremely* incomplete ←
13:43:45 <baojie> Ian: it was imcomplete
Ian Horrocks: it was imcomplete ←
13:43:48 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is me
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is me ←
13:43:48 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
13:43:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:43:52 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
13:43:52 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted ←
13:43:52 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
13:43:53 <ivan> <rdf:Property rdf:ID="equivalentClass">
Ivan Herman: <rdf:Property rdf:ID="equivalentClass"> ←
13:43:53 <ivan> <rdfs:label>equivalentClass</rdfs:label>
Ivan Herman: <rdfs:label>equivalentClass</rdfs:label> ←
13:43:53 <ivan> <rdfs:subPropertyOf rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#subClassOf"/>
Ivan Herman: <rdfs:subPropertyOf rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#subClassOf"/> ←
13:43:53 <ivan> <rdfs:domain rdf:resource="#Class"/>
Ivan Herman: <rdfs:domain rdf:resource="#Class"/> ←
13:43:53 <ivan> <rdfs:range rdf:resource="#Class"/>
Ivan Herman: <rdfs:range rdf:resource="#Class"/> ←
13:43:54 <ivan> </rdf:Property>
Ivan Herman: </rdf:Property> ←
13:44:07 <baojie> Ivan: that's an example
Ivan Herman: that's an example ←
13:44:10 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl# ←
13:44:22 <baojie> ... this is that schneid will generate
... this is that schneid will generate ←
13:44:25 <schneid> these are *4* axiomatic triples
Michael Schneider: these are *4* axiomatic triples ←
13:44:51 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:44:53 <schneid> all of them match the discussion in Section 6 of the RDF-based Semantics, AFAICS
Michael Schneider: all of them match the discussion in Section 6 of the RDF-based Semantics, AFAICS ←
13:44:54 <baojie> ... I don't understand Peter
... I don't understand Peter ←
13:44:59 <pfps> There are some axiomatic triples here, but this is *not* an axiomatization of OWL. There are, as well, some non-axiomatic triples in the document.
Peter Patel-Schneider: There are some axiomatic triples here, but this is *not* an axiomatization of OWL. There are, as well, some non-axiomatic triples in the document. ←
13:45:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:45:06 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
13:45:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:45:37 <IanH> ack sandro
Ian Horrocks: ack sandro ←
13:45:47 <pfps> There are only *3* axiomatic triples, the rdfs:label triple is not axiomatic.
Peter Patel-Schneider: There are only *3* axiomatic triples, the rdfs:label triple is not axiomatic. ←
13:45:55 <baojie> Ivan: we can't use the same uri of OWL (now for OWL 1)
Ivan Herman: we can't use the same uri of OWL (now for OWL 1) ←
13:46:02 <schneid> axiomatic triples are simply ground semantic conditions without a premis
Michael Schneider: axiomatic triples are simply ground semantic conditions without a premis ←
13:46:31 <schneid> the axiomatic triples of RDFS are also *not* a complete axiomatization of the RDFS semantics
Michael Schneider: the axiomatic triples of RDFS are also *not* a complete axiomatization of the RDFS semantics ←
13:46:33 <pfps> q+
13:46:42 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
13:46:53 <baojie> Sandro: <scriber lost>
Sandro Hawke: <scriber lost> ←
13:46:57 <schneid> equivalentClass rdf:type rdf:Property :)
Michael Schneider: equivalentClass rdf:type rdf:Property :) ←
13:47:19 <IanH> sandro: could use content negotiation to serve relevant content
Sandro Hawke: could use content negotiation to serve relevant content [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ] ←
13:47:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:47:42 <pfps> q+
13:47:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:47:52 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
13:47:58 <schneid> my whole proposal is only about convenience for implementers, nothing would change technically in any form (apart from that it's an informative section anyway)
Michael Schneider: my whole proposal is only about convenience for implementers, nothing would change technically in any form (apart from that it's an informative section anyway) ←
13:48:03 <alanr> q+ 2 questions: 1) What are requirements 2) Who has jurisdiction on what is served from there
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ 2 questions: 1) What are requirements 2) Who has jurisdiction on what is served from there ←
13:48:21 <alanr> q+ to ask 2 questions: 1) What are requirements 2) Who has jurisdiction on what is served from there
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask 2 questions: 1) What are requirements 2) Who has jurisdiction on what is served from there ←
13:48:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:48:28 <baojie> pfps: I don't think we should change the old OWL file
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't think we should change the old OWL file ←
13:48:34 <baojie> Ivan: I object
Ivan Herman: I object ←
13:48:52 <baojie> ... rdf users will dereference that uri
... rdf users will dereference that uri ←
13:49:10 <baojie> ... it is should be correct and not incomplete
... it is should be correct and not incomplete ←
13:49:36 <baojie> ... if we decide OWL 2 reuses OWL uri, then that file should be updated
... if we decide OWL 2 reuses OWL uri, then that file should be updated ←
13:49:40 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:49:48 <pfps> q+
13:50:02 <baojie> Ian: my understanding is to add more axiomatic triples
Ian Horrocks: my understanding is to add more axiomatic triples ←
13:50:08 <baojie> Ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
13:50:13 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
13:50:13 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask 2 questions: 1) What are requirements 2) Who has jurisdiction on what is served from there
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask 2 questions: 1) What are requirements 2) Who has jurisdiction on what is served from there ←
13:50:15 <ewallace> I would like to see an rdfs vocabulary file for OWL 2 somewhere.
Evan Wallace: I would like to see an rdfs vocabulary file for OWL 2 somewhere. ←
13:50:20 <baojie> ... we have to make it up to date
... we have to make it up to date ←
13:50:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:50:52 <zimmer> I'm personally in favour of what Ivan says, and I guess that my institute would be in favour of it too
Antoine Zimmermann: I'm personally in favour of what Ivan says, and I guess that my institute would be in favour of it too ←
13:51:04 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:51:29 <baojie> alanr: I wonder it is in juridiction of the WG, or W3C
Alan Ruttenberg: I wonder it is in juridiction of the WG, or W3C ←
13:51:35 <alanr> ok
Alan Ruttenberg: ok ←
13:51:37 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
13:51:48 <baojie> s/juridiction/jurisdiction
s/juridiction/jurisdiction ←
13:51:57 <IanH> sorry Peter
Ian Horrocks: sorry Peter ←
13:52:02 <IanH> You are next
Ian Horrocks: You are next ←
13:52:17 <alanr> 1) dereference to something meaningful and up to date
Alan Ruttenberg: 1) dereference to something meaningful and up to date ←
13:52:18 <baojie> Ivan: the minimal requirement is to have it up-to-date
Ivan Herman: the minimal requirement is to have it up-to-date ←
13:52:24 <alanr> 2) follow linked data practices
Alan Ruttenberg: 2) follow linked data practices ←
13:52:27 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
13:52:37 <baojie> pfps: I'm not opposed to change it
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm not opposed to change it ←
13:52:51 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
13:52:53 <baojie> ... I'm concerned what to add
... I'm concerned what to add ←
13:52:55 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:52:58 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
13:52:58 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
13:53:04 <ewallace> What Peter suggests would make me happy.
Evan Wallace: What Peter suggests would make me happy. ←
13:53:13 <alanr> q+ why do we have to leave the document in the current form?
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ why do we have to leave the document in the current form? ←
13:53:38 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
13:53:49 <alanr> q+ to ask why do we have to leave the document in the current form?
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask why do we have to leave the document in the current form? ←
13:54:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:54:10 <baojie> Ian: schneid's propposal is to add axiomatic triples as described in RDF-based semantics rules
Ian Horrocks: schneid's propposal is to add axiomatic triples as described in RDF-based semantics rules ←
13:54:44 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
13:54:44 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask why do we have to leave the document in the current form?
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask why do we have to leave the document in the current form? ←
13:54:52 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
13:54:52 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
13:55:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:55:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:55:37 <alanr> then that should be clarified
Alan Ruttenberg: then that should be clarified ←
13:55:42 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:55:47 <alanr> that's why I asked Ivan about requirements
Alan Ruttenberg: that's why I asked Ivan about requirements ←
13:56:08 <ewallace> Holger's request: I would appreciate if the OWL working group would deliver (and maintain)
Evan Wallace: Holger's request: I would appreciate if the OWL working group would deliver (and maintain) ←
13:56:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:56:10 <ewallace> an RDF specification of the OWL 2 vocabulary, as discussed below, in the
Evan Wallace: an RDF specification of the OWL 2 vocabulary, as discussed below, in the ←
13:56:11 <ewallace> RDF/XML exchange format.
Evan Wallace: RDF/XML exchange format. ←
13:56:15 <alanr> ivan?
Alan Ruttenberg: ivan? ←
13:56:38 <pfps> My understanding is also that Holger just wants an update of the information in the document.
Peter Patel-Schneider: My understanding is also that Holger just wants an update of the information in the document. ←
13:57:03 <baojie> Ivan: my proposal is let micheal to produce an rdf file
Ivan Herman: my proposal is let micheal to produce an rdf file ←
13:57:14 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:57:18 <baojie> ... and let's what it will be
... and let's what it will be ←
13:57:46 <baojie> ... and postpone the decision
... and postpone the decision ←
13:57:50 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:57:57 <pfps> The current document is mostly domains and ranges for the owl vocabulary.
Peter Patel-Schneider: The current document is mostly domains and ranges for the owl vocabulary. ←
13:58:06 <baojie> ... let's separate the two problems
... let's separate the two problems ←
13:58:52 <baojie> Ian: I don't think schneid's proposal is a starting point for the deferencing problem
Ian Horrocks: I don't think schneid's proposal is a starting point for the deferencing problem ←
13:59:04 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
13:59:05 <baojie> ... we may need to talk offline
... we may need to talk offline ←
13:59:07 <schneid> I can do this quickly
Michael Schneider: I can do this quickly ←
13:59:26 <schneid> (one could say it's ediorial :)
Michael Schneider: (one could say it's ediorial :) ←
13:59:30 <alanr> if there are changes then needs to be vote
Alan Ruttenberg: if there are changes then needs to be vote ←
13:59:38 <schneid> ok!
Michael Schneider: ok! ←
13:59:48 <baojie> ... schneid may add the proposed changes to the RDF-based semantics doc
... schneid may add the proposed changes to the RDF-based semantics doc ←
14:00:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:00:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:00:38 <baojie> topic: Implementation and Testing
14:00:48 <baojie> subtopic: Test suite
14:00:58 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
14:01:02 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
14:01:02 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
14:01:03 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
14:01:05 <baojie> Ian: mike loaded RL test suites
Ian Horrocks: mike loaded RL test suites ←
14:01:15 <baojie> s/mike/schneid
s/mike/schneid ←
14:01:36 <MarkusK_> there are now 84 tests uploaded by Michael
Markus Krötzsch: there are now 84 tests uploaded by Michael ←
14:01:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:03:17 <baojie> schneid: <scribe lost>
Michael Schneider: <scribe lost> ←
14:03:25 <baojie> ... I checked with Ivan's implementation
... I checked with Ivan's implementation ←
14:03:42 <schneid> the testcases: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/User:Michael_Schneider
Michael Schneider: the testcases: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/User:Michael_Schneider ←
14:04:04 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:04:13 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
14:04:13 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
14:04:15 <baojie> Ian: we have a test case and passed as least one implementation
Ian Horrocks: we have a test case and passed as least one implementation ←
14:04:18 <msmith> yes, this works for me
Mike Smith: yes, this works for me ←
14:04:24 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:04:39 <schneid> btw, these are really the simplest and most straightforward testcases in my suite
Michael Schneider: btw, these are really the simplest and most straightforward testcases in my suite ←
14:04:43 <schneid> yes, 84
Michael Schneider: yes, 84 ←
14:05:00 <IanH> PROPOSED: Approve the 84 OWL Full/RL tests added by Michael Schneider
PROPOSED: Approve the 84 OWL Full/RL tests added by Michael Schneider ←
14:05:05 <msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
14:05:08 <MarkusK_> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
14:05:22 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
14:05:23 <baojie> +1
+1 ←
14:05:26 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
14:05:33 <zimmer> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
14:05:43 <IanH> RESOLVED: Approve the 84 OWL Full/RL tests added by Michael Schneider
RESOLVED: Approve the 84 OWL Full/RL tests added by Michael Schneider ←
14:05:44 <msmith> action msmith to change the status on these 84 tests from Proposed to Approved, with a reference to the minutes
Mike Smith: action msmith to change the status on these 84 tests from Proposed to Approved, with a reference to the minutes ←
14:05:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - msmith
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - msmith ←
14:05:48 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:05:57 <msmith> action smith to change the status on these 84 tests from Proposed to Approved, with a reference to the minutes
Mike Smith: action smith to change the status on these 84 tests from Proposed to Approved, with a reference to the minutes ←
14:05:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-347 - Change the status on these 84 tests from Proposed to Approved, with a reference to the minutes [on Michael Smith - due 2009-07-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-347 - Change the status on these 84 tests from Proposed to Approved, with a reference to the minutes [on Michael Smith - due 2009-07-22]. ←
14:05:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:06:14 <baojie> Ian: how many approved test cases we have?
Ian Horrocks: how many approved test cases we have? ←
14:06:17 <schneid> http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/Test:Approved
Michael Schneider: http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/Test:Approved ←
14:06:21 <ewallace> 220?
Evan Wallace: 220? ←
14:07:41 <baojie> msmith: there are some progress on the proposed test cases
Mike Smith: there are some progress on the proposed test cases ←
14:08:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:08:27 <baojie> ... on OWL full test cases, we don't have two impelmenations yet
... on OWL full test cases, we don't have two impelmenations yet ←
14:08:31 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:08:48 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
14:08:51 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
14:08:51 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
14:08:53 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
14:09:12 <baojie> Ian: what OWL full people think?
Ian Horrocks: what OWL full people think? ←
14:10:10 <baojie> schneid: I haven't check
Michael Schneider: I haven't check ←
14:10:11 <msmith> +1 to leave them
Mike Smith: +1 to leave them ←
14:10:18 <MarkusK_> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
14:10:26 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
14:10:26 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
14:10:35 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
14:10:39 <baojie> Ian: i think we should leave the OWL full test cases not approved
Ian Horrocks: i think we should leave the OWL full test cases not approved ←
14:10:47 <IanH> ?
Ian Horrocks: ? ←
14:10:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:10:54 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
14:11:24 <schneid> schneid: I won't find the time to check the WebOnt tests, and I remember finding some of them to be pretty strange
Michael Schneider: I won't find the time to check the WebOnt tests, and I remember finding some of them to be pretty strange [ Scribe Assist by Michael Schneider ] ←
14:11:29 <baojie> msmith: schneid's test cases has many from the OWL 1 test cases
Mike Smith: schneid's test cases has many from the OWL 1 test cases ←
14:11:36 <msmith> yes
Mike Smith: yes ←
14:11:38 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:11:39 <baojie> ... they should be updated
... they should be updated ←
14:12:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:12:22 <baojie> Ian: we need to contact implementers and say the test cases are already
Ian Horrocks: we need to contact implementers and say the test cases are already ←
14:12:42 <msmith> I'll send an email when I take care of the status changes
Mike Smith: I'll send an email when I take care of the status changes ←
14:12:52 <baojie> Ian: one more thing, extra credit test
Ian Horrocks: one more thing, extra credit test ←
14:13:12 <baojie> ... some of them should not be here
... some of them should not be here ←
14:13:32 <baojie> ... esp. some from OWL 1 test cases
... esp. some from OWL 1 test cases ←
14:13:47 <msmith> here is an example with very high cardinality restrictions http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/TestCase:WebOnt-description-logic-906
Mike Smith: here is an example with very high cardinality restrictions http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/index.php/TestCase:WebOnt-description-logic-906 ←
14:13:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:14:04 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
14:14:10 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
14:14:13 <MarkusK_> +1 to have performance-focussed tests extra credit
Markus Krötzsch: +1 to have performance-focussed tests extra credit ←
14:14:39 <baojie> ... test cases should be on correctness, not performance
... test cases should be on correctness, not performance ←
14:14:42 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:14:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:14:59 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
14:15:23 <baojie> Ivan: I'm not against this, but we need to be careful
Ivan Herman: I'm not against this, but we need to be careful ←
14:15:41 <baojie> ... the test cases are very useful
... the test cases are very useful ←
14:15:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:16:24 <baojie> Ian: i agree
Ian Horrocks: i agree ←
14:16:29 <alanr> q+ to ask do we say anything about passing tests in conformance?
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask do we say anything about passing tests in conformance? ←
14:16:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:16:39 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
14:16:39 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask do we say anything about passing tests in conformance?
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask do we say anything about passing tests in conformance? ←
14:17:00 <baojie> ... what I proposed to have performance-focussed tests as extra credit test cases
... what I proposed to have performance-focussed tests as extra credit test cases ←
14:17:06 <alanr> good thanks
Alan Ruttenberg: good thanks ←
14:17:15 <Zakim> -alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: -alanr ←
14:17:40 <alanr> zakim, what is the passcode?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, what is the passcode? ←
14:17:40 <Zakim> the conference code is 6951 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 6951 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), alanr ←
14:17:46 <Zakim> +alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr ←
14:17:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:17:48 <baojie> ... not every implementation may pass them
... not every implementation may pass them ←
14:17:53 <alanr> no
Alan Ruttenberg: no ←
14:17:56 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
14:18:32 <msmith> +1 to this suggestion
Mike Smith: +1 to this suggestion ←
14:18:43 <baojie> Ian: I will send the list of extra credit test cases
Ian Horrocks: I will send the list of extra credit test cases ←
14:18:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:19:36 <baojie> Ian: anything on implementation?
Ian Horrocks: anything on implementation? ←
14:19:40 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:19:41 <msmith> yes.
Mike Smith: yes. ←
14:19:48 <baojie> subtopic: Implementations
14:19:53 <msmith> profile is ok, species is untested
Mike Smith: profile is ok, species is untested ←
14:20:02 <msmith> yes
Mike Smith: yes ←
14:20:23 <msmith> action ianh to ask owlapi devs about species validation
Mike Smith: action ianh to ask owlapi devs about species validation ←
14:20:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ianh
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - ianh ←
14:20:23 <baojie> Ian: one task is to push the OWL API people about speices validation
Ian Horrocks: one task is to push the OWL API people about speices validation ←
14:20:40 <msmith> action ian to ask owlapi devs about species validation
Mike Smith: action ian to ask owlapi devs about species validation ←
14:20:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-348 - Ask owlapi devs about species validation [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-07-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-348 - Ask owlapi devs about species validation [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-07-22]. ←
14:21:02 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:21:11 <baojie> topic: Advancing documents to Proposed Recommendation
14:21:11 <baojie> subtopic: Features "At-Risk"
14:21:32 <baojie> Ian: as scheduled, we will make decision at the end of the month
Ian Horrocks: as scheduled, we will make decision at the end of the month ←
14:21:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:22:09 <pfps> I think that what we want is some message from implementors that they have successfully implemented the at-risk features.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that what we want is some message from implementors that they have successfully implemented the at-risk features. ←
14:22:12 <schneid> Shouldn't this be decided AFTER the call of implementation finishes
Michael Schneider: Shouldn't this be decided AFTER the call of implementation finishes ←
14:22:25 <baojie> ... my understanding is that it should be based on implementation expriences
... my understanding is that it should be based on implementation expriences ←
14:22:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:22:43 <pfps> I don't think that we should wait - we can even now ask implementors about this particular part of the spec.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't think that we should wait - we can even now ask implementors about this particular part of the spec. ←
14:22:57 <baojie> s/expriences/experiences
s/expriences/experiences ←
14:23:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:23:55 <ivan> grddl
Ivan Herman: grddl ←
14:23:56 <ewallace> GRDDL
Evan Wallace: GRDDL ←
14:23:57 <msmith> g***l
Mike Smith: g***l ←
14:24:13 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
14:24:26 <baojie> Ian: sandro is working on that (GRDDL)
Ian Horrocks: sandro is working on that (GRDDL) ←
14:25:05 <pfps> if there are no needed changes for the UFDs then we might not need to do much
Peter Patel-Schneider: if there are no needed changes for the UFDs then we might not need to do much ←
14:25:11 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:25:13 <baojie> Ivan: user facing documents
Ivan Herman: user facing documents ←
14:25:27 <baojie> Ian: we don't have any comments
Ian Horrocks: we don't have any comments ←
14:26:23 <baojie> ... we skip CR for UFDs
... we skip CR for UFDs ←
14:26:30 <pfps> We actually did have a comment on a UFD - a glitch in Primer
Peter Patel-Schneider: We actually did have a comment on a UFD - a glitch in Primer ←
14:26:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:21:11 <baojie> subtopic: Schedule
14:27:52 <baojie> Ivan: schedule is tight
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Ivan Herman: schedule is tight ←
14:28:19 <baojie> Ian: let's focus on documents
Ian Horrocks: let's focus on documents ←
14:28:31 <schneid> think about the AtRisk stuff!!!
Michael Schneider: think about the AtRisk stuff!!! ←
14:28:46 <baojie> Ivan: I think that depends on implementations, we can't vote on documents today
Ivan Herman: I think that depends on implementations, we can't vote on documents today ←
14:29:21 <baojie> Ian: we have to vote in 2 weeks, pending implementation reports
Ian Horrocks: we have to vote in 2 weeks, pending implementation reports ←
14:29:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:29:39 <baojie> ... we need to announce it today
... we need to announce it today ←
14:29:55 <alanr> was this contingent on release on july 1st?
Alan Ruttenberg: was this contingent on release on july 1st? ←
14:29:59 <alanr> or was it 8 weeks in CR
Alan Ruttenberg: or was it 8 weeks in CR ←
14:30:11 <baojie> Sandro: we slipped at least 1 week
Sandro Hawke: we slipped at least 1 week ←
14:31:05 <schneid> what about 8th of August?
Michael Schneider: what about 8th of August? ←
14:31:09 <baojie> Ian: we delay to mid Aug and still catch the schedule
Ian Horrocks: we delay to mid Aug and still catch the schedule ←
14:31:29 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
14:31:30 <ewallace> Announcing this today sounds reasonable.
Evan Wallace: Announcing this today sounds reasonable. ←
14:31:34 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
14:31:43 <msmith> I have to drop off. thanks everyone
Mike Smith: I have to drop off. thanks everyone ←
14:31:48 <Zakim> -msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith ←
14:31:49 <pfps> You could announce the no-problems schedule and see if everyone is OK with it.
Peter Patel-Schneider: You could announce the no-problems schedule and see if everyone is OK with it. ←
14:31:54 <baojie> Sandro: shall we assign reviewers?
Sandro Hawke: shall we assign reviewers? ←
14:32:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:32:02 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
14:32:02 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
14:32:03 <ewallace> Citations will change.
Evan Wallace: Citations will change. ←
14:32:07 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
14:32:15 <baojie> Ian: i don't think we need internal reviewers, since the docs are not changed
Ian Horrocks: i don't think we need internal reviewers, since the docs are not changed ←
14:33:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:33:22 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
14:33:22 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
14:33:23 <pfps> So schedule is announce now, get reports ready for end of July at latest, vote on 6 Aug.
Peter Patel-Schneider: So schedule is announce now, get reports ready for end of July at latest, vote on 6 Aug. ←
14:33:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:33:28 <pfps> That is fine by me.
Peter Patel-Schneider: That is fine by me. ←
14:33:42 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:33:45 <pfps> s/6 Aug/first Wed in Aug/
Peter Patel-Schneider: s/6 Aug/first Wed in Aug/ ←
14:33:50 <baojie> Ivan: on planning
Ivan Herman: on planning ←
14:34:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:34:56 <baojie> Ian: adjourn
Ian Horrocks: adjourn ←
14:35:15 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
14:35:18 <schneid> bye
Michael Schneider: bye ←
14:35:18 <baojie> ... I will send emails about the next meeting
... I will send emails about the next meeting ←
14:35:19 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: -Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
14:35:20 <Zakim> -MarkusK_
Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK_ ←
14:35:21 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
14:35:21 <alanr> thanks Ian
Alan Ruttenberg: thanks Ian ←
14:35:22 <zimmer> buy buy
Antoine Zimmermann: buy buy ←
14:35:25 <Zakim> -baojie
Zakim IRC Bot: -baojie ←
14:35:28 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:35:30 <Zakim> -schneid
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14:35:31 <Zakim> -zimmer
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14:35:35 <Zakim> -IanH
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14:35:37 <Zakim> -bmotik
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14:36:33 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public
Ian Horrocks: RRSAgent, make records public ←
14:36:42 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public
Ian Horrocks: RRSAgent, make records public ←
14:44:52 <Zakim> -Achille
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14:50:57 <Zakim> -Zhe
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14:55:58 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, alanr, in Team_(owl)16:59Z
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14:56:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, alanr, Evan_Wallace, +1.518.276.aaaa, +1.202.408.aabb, baojie, msmith, MarkusK_, Ivan, IanH, schneid, bmotik, zimmer, Zhe, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, alanr, Evan_Wallace, +1.518.276.aaaa, +1.202.408.aabb, baojie, msmith, MarkusK_, Ivan, IanH, schneid, bmotik, zimmer, Zhe, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Achille ←
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