OWL Working Group

Minutes of 04 March 2009

Present
Peter Patel-Schneider Bernardo Cuenca Grau Boris Motik Ivan Herman Ian Horrocks Uli Sattler Markus Krötzsch Zhe Wu Mike Smith Sandro Hawke Antoine Zimmermann Evan Wallace Achille Fokoue Michael Schneider Elisa Kendall Christine Golbreich
Scribe
Uli Sattler
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. accept Feb 18's minutes link
  2. accept minutes from F2F modulo minor clean-up link
  3. Respond to XML Schema "Good job, thanks!" link
  4. new working draft of Manchester Syntax will be published as part of round 6 on the 15th April; it won't attempt to address issue-146, nor will it include any ed-note referring to this issue link
  5. ROPOSED: Substitute common first para of abstract with the first para from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/IH2 (modulo wordsmithing) link
Topics
00:00:00 <scribenick> Present:  Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, uli, MarkusK_, Zhe, msmith, Sandro, zimmer, Evan_Wallace, Achille, Michael_Schneider (muted), Elisa_Kendall, christine
17:54:35 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #owl

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17:54:35 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-owl-irc

17:54:50 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2009.03.04/Agenda

Ian Horrocks: IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2009.03.04/Agenda

17:55:03 <IanH> Zakim, this will be owlwg

Ian Horrocks: Zakim, this will be owlwg

17:55:03 <Zakim> ok, IanH; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, IanH; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

17:55:15 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public

Ian Horrocks: RRSAgent, make records public

17:55:28 <IanH> ScribeNick: Uli

(Scribe set to Uli Sattler)

17:55:39 <zimmer> zimmer has joined #owl

Antoine Zimmermann: zimmer has joined #owl

17:56:06 <bmotik> bmotik has joined #owl

Boris Motik: bmotik has joined #owl

17:56:31 <bmotik> Zakim, this will be owl

Boris Motik: Zakim, this will be owl

17:56:31 <Zakim> ok, bmotik; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bmotik; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

17:56:38 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started

17:56:45 <Zakim> +Alistair

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alistair

17:57:08 <bcuencagrau> bcuencagrau has joined #owl

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: bcuencagrau has joined #owl

17:57:35 <pfps> pfps has joined #owl

Peter Patel-Schneider: pfps has joined #owl

17:58:06 <Zakim> +Alistair.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alistair.a

17:58:26 <Zakim> -Alistair.a

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alistair.a

17:58:34 <bmotik> Zakim, who is on call

Boris Motik: Zakim, who is on call

17:58:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on call', bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on call', bmotik

17:58:42 <bmotik> ZAkim, who is on call?

Boris Motik: ZAkim, who is on call?

17:58:42 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bmotik.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, bmotik.

17:58:52 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider

17:59:01 <Zakim> +Alistair.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alistair.a

17:59:11 <Zakim> -Alistair

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alistair

17:59:12 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, +Alistair.a is bcuencagrau

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, +Alistair.a is bcuencagrau

17:59:12 <Zakim> sorry, bcuencagrau, I do not recognize a party named '+Alistair.a'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bcuencagrau, I do not recognize a party named '+Alistair.a'

17:59:32 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, Alistair.a is bcuencagrau

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, Alistair.a is bcuencagrau

17:59:32 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it

17:59:34 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau.a

17:59:36 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:59:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau, bcuencagrau.a

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau, bcuencagrau.a

17:59:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

17:59:38 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

17:59:38 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

17:59:43 <bmotik> Zakim, bcuencagrau.a is me

Boris Motik: Zakim, bcuencagrau.a is me

17:59:43 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it

17:59:47 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:59:47 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:00:03 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

18:00:03 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

18:00:04 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

18:00:23 <Zakim> +IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH

18:00:30 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:00:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH

18:00:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:00:37 <uli> uli has joined #owl

uli has joined #owl

18:00:40 <uli_> uli_ has joined #owl

uli_ has joined #owl

18:00:50 <IanH> Evening all!

Ian Horrocks: Evening all!

18:00:56 <uli> hiho

hiho

18:01:17 <IanH> In the civilised world.

Ian Horrocks: In the civilised world.

18:01:23 <IanH> Uli: you are scribing?

Uli Sattler: you are scribing? [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ]

18:01:29 <uli> yes i am

yes i am

18:01:40 <pfps> scribenick uli

Peter Patel-Schneider: scribenick uli

18:01:51 <uli> but i am still dialing

but i am still dialing

18:02:02 <ewallace> ewallace has joined #owl

Evan Wallace: ewallace has joined #owl

18:02:02 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

18:02:06 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:02:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, ??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, ??P8

18:02:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:02:08 <uli> zakim, ??P8 is me

zakim, ??P8 is me

18:02:08 <Zakim> +uli; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it

18:02:18 <uli> regrets from Bijan

regrets from Bijan

18:02:19 <MarkusK_> MarkusK_ has joined #owl

Markus Krötzsch: MarkusK_ has joined #owl

18:02:24 <uli> he is off sick

he is off sick

18:02:48 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

18:03:00 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:03:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, uli, ??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, uli, ??P4

18:03:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkusK_, ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MarkusK_, ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:03:11 <Zhe> Zhe has joined #owl

Zhe Wu: Zhe has joined #owl

18:03:15 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, uli, MarkusK_

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, uli, MarkusK_

18:03:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Zhe, MarkusK_, ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Zhe, MarkusK_, ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:03:25 <msmith> msmith has joined #owl

Mike Smith: msmith has joined #owl

18:03:28 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

18:03:28 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

18:03:33 <pfps> some things to stick into topics later

Peter Patel-Schneider: some things to stick into topics later

18:03:41 <Zakim> +Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe

18:03:46 <uli> IanH: Agenda amendments?

Ian Horrocks: Agenda amendments?

18:03:52 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:03:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan (muted), IanH, uli, MarkusK_, Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan (muted), IanH, uli, MarkusK_, Zhe

18:03:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see msmith, Zhe, MarkusK_, ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see msmith, Zhe, MarkusK_, ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:03:58 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:04:03 <Zakim> +msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith

18:04:05 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

18:04:28 <uli> pfps: I miss status of actions & documents

Peter Patel-Schneider: I miss status of actions & documents

18:04:40 <uli> pfps: not actions, issues

Peter Patel-Schneider: not actions, issues

18:04:50 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

18:04:58 <Zakim> +??P16

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16

18:05:09 <Achille> Achille has joined #owl

Achille Fokoue: Achille has joined #owl

18:05:24 <zimmer> Zakim, ??P16 is me

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, ??P16 is me

18:05:24 <Zakim> +zimmer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +zimmer; got it

18:05:44 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

18:06:01 <uli> IanH: there is one action left on the open issue on Alan

Ian Horrocks: there is one action left on the open issue on Alan

18:06:09 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

18:06:30 <Achille> zakim, ibm is me

Achille Fokoue: zakim, ibm is me

18:06:30 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

18:06:48 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:06:52 <uli> IanH: we will come back to this after admin stuff

Ian Horrocks: we will come back to this after admin stuff

18:07:02 <pfps> 18 Feb OK

Peter Patel-Schneider: 18 Feb OK

18:07:07 <uli> IanH: previous minutes?

Ian Horrocks: previous minutes?

18:07:20 <uli> PROPOSED: accept Feb 18's minutes

PROPOSED: accept Feb 18's minutes

18:07:29 <pfps> 23 Feb minimally OK

Peter Patel-Schneider: 23 Feb minimally OK

18:07:32 <uli> RESOLVED: accept Feb 18's minutes

RESOLVED: accept Feb 18's minutes

18:07:34 <pfps> 24 Feb has a problem

Peter Patel-Schneider: 24 Feb has a problem

18:07:58 <uli> pfps: 24s isn't finished yet

Peter Patel-Schneider: 24s isn't finished yet

18:08:54 <pfps> otherwise minimally acceptable

Peter Patel-Schneider: otherwise minimally acceptable

18:09:06 <schneid> schneid has joined #owl

Michael Schneider: schneid has joined #owl

18:09:08 <uli> IanH: 24s are acceptable modula minor cleanup?

Ian Horrocks: 24s are acceptable modula minor cleanup?

18:09:29 <uli> RESOLVED: accept minutes from F2F modulo minor clean-up

RESOLVED: accept minutes from F2F modulo minor clean-up

18:09:33 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:09:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:09:49 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

18:09:50 <uli> IanH: Action item status

Ian Horrocks: Action item status

18:10:07 <schneid> hi, i did not yet find the time to edit my scribe job at F2F

Michael Schneider: hi, i did not yet find the time to edit my scribe job at F2F

18:10:55 <uli> IanH: we need to check answer to LC 45 (ML2)

Ian Horrocks: we need to check answer to LC 45 (ML2)

18:10:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

18:11:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:11:20 <schneid> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Michael Schneider: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

18:11:21 <Zakim> +schneid; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +schneid; got it

18:11:25 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:11:27 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:11:27 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted

18:11:29 <uli> IanH: pending review actions are all trivial?

Ian Horrocks: pending review actions are all trivial?

18:11:37 <uli> pfps: action 298

Peter Patel-Schneider: ACTION-298

18:11:57 <uli> pfps: response lack diffs

Peter Patel-Schneider: response lack diffs

18:12:11 <ewallace> I don't see anything in the action page for ACTION-298

Evan Wallace: I don't see anything in the action page for ACTION-298

18:12:17 <uli> IanH: will point to a section of a document

Ian Horrocks: will point to a section of a document

18:12:49 <uli> IanH: ok, then all pending review action are deemed to be completed

Ian Horrocks: ok, then all pending review action are deemed to be completed

18:12:54 <bmotik> I haven't

Boris Motik: I haven't

18:13:03 <bmotik> I'll do this now as I go trhoguh the spec

Boris Motik: I'll do this now as I go trhoguh the spec

18:13:07 <uli> IanH:  Boris, did you find examples for 270?

Ian Horrocks: Boris, did you find examples for 270?

18:13:11 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:13:11 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:13:13 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:13:15 <msmith> regarding ACTION-283, a technical barrier that was preventing me from moving forward on the "comment" part has been removed.  I have pushed the due date to Mar 11 and expect to be done by then.

Mike Smith: regarding ACTION-283, a technical barrier that was preventing me from moving forward on the "comment" part has been removed. I have pushed the due date to Mar 11 and expect to be done by then.

18:13:25 <bmotik> q-

Boris Motik: q-

18:13:29 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:13:29 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:13:33 <uli> IanH: 283 is moved forward

Ian Horrocks: 283 is moved forward

18:13:35 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:13:36 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:13:36 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:13:57 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:13:57 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:14:02 <uli> bmotik: I will start implementing all these changes from tomorrow

Boris Motik: I will start implementing all these changes from tomorrow

18:14:12 <uli> IanH: Action 292

Ian Horrocks: ACTION-292

18:14:17 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:14:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan (muted), IanH, uli, MarkusK_, Zhe, msmith, Sandro, zimmer, Evan_Wallace, Achille, schneid

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan (muted), IanH, uli, MarkusK_, Zhe, msmith, Sandro, zimmer, Evan_Wallace, Achille, schneid

18:14:20 <Zakim> ... (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted)

18:14:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see schneid, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK_, ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see schneid, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK_, ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

18:14:27 <uli> Sandro: isn't done yet, will go to next week

Sandro Hawke: isn't done yet, will go to next week

18:14:39 <uli> IanH: 295 waits for Boris

Ian Horrocks: 295 waits for Boris

18:14:47 <christine> christine has joined #owl

Christine Golbreich: christine has joined #owl

18:14:56 <uli> IanH: 301? Jie?

Ian Horrocks: 301? Jie?

18:15:08 <uli> IanH: 299? Sandro?

Ian Horrocks: 299? Sandro?

18:15:19 <uli> IanH: 299 will be pushed forward as well

Ian Horrocks: 299 will be pushed forward as well

18:16:00 <uli> IanH: 300? Alan isn't here - did anybody hear about

Ian Horrocks: 300? Alan isn't here - did anybody hear about

18:16:10 <uli> IanH: 300 will be pushed forward as well

Ian Horrocks: 300 will be pushed forward as well

18:16:39 <uli> "Responding to XML Schema"

"Responding to XML Schema"

18:16:49 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:17:01 <uli> IanH: we concluded that we should write the, "good job, thanks"

Ian Horrocks: we concluded that we should write the, "good job, thanks"

18:17:03 <pfps> I'll send out a message saying this shortly.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll send out a message saying this shortly.

18:17:29 <uli> IanH: ok, then we ask pfps to complete action 281 in this sense

Ian Horrocks: ok, then we ask pfps to complete ACTION-281 in this sense

18:17:38 <pfps> fine

Peter Patel-Schneider: fine

18:17:44 <IanH> PROPOSED: Respond to XML Schema "Good job, thanks!"

PROPOSED: Respond to XML Schema "Good job, thanks!"

18:17:55 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

18:17:58 <uli> +1

+1

18:17:59 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

18:18:00 <MarkusK_> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

18:18:00 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

18:18:02 <schneid> +1

Michael Schneider: +1

18:18:03 <zimmer> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

18:18:03 <msmith> +1

Mike Smith: +1

18:18:04 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

18:18:07 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

18:18:16 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

18:18:17 <IanH> RESOLVED: Respond to XML Schema "Good job, thanks!"

RESOLVED: Respond to XML Schema "Good job, thanks!"

18:18:34 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:18:41 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:19:04 <uli> pfps: I forgot...issue 97 (grrdl) is missing an action

Peter Patel-Schneider: I forgot...ISSUE-97 (grrdl) is missing an action

18:19:06 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:19:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:19:34 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:19:35 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

18:19:36 <uli> IanH: the solution is still slightly unclear, Ivan is finding out how many transform we can have

Ian Horrocks: the solution is still slightly unclear, Ivan is finding out how many transform we can have

18:19:39 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:20:00 <pfps> action on Ivan?

Peter Patel-Schneider: action on Ivan?

18:20:00 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - on

18:20:00 <uli> ivan: i talked to the grrdl people, and i will come up with a proposal soon

Ivan Herman: i talked to the grrdl people, and i will come up with a proposal soon

18:20:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:20:16 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:20:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, uli, MarkusK_, Zhe, msmith, Sandro, zimmer, Evan_Wallace, Achille, schneid (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, uli, MarkusK_, Zhe, msmith, Sandro, zimmer, Evan_Wallace, Achille, schneid (muted)

18:20:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see christine, schneid, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK_, ewallace, uli_, uli, pfps, bcuencagrau, bmotik, zimmer, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ivan, sandro, trackbot

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18:20:39 <uli> ivan: it seems as if we could have several implementation referenced

Ivan Herman: it seems as if we could have several implementation referenced

18:20:44 <pfps> OK

Peter Patel-Schneider: OK

18:21:30 <uli> Subtopic: Issue 146

1. ISSUE-146

18:21:38 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/146

Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/146

18:21:47 <uli> thanks evan

thanks evan

18:21:58 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:22:33 <uli> pfps: as a summary of the ongoig discussion, Alan wants to have a new 'entity name' in the Manchester Syntax

Peter Patel-Schneider: as a summary of the ongoig discussion, Alan wants to have a new 'entity name' in the Manchester Syntax

18:22:51 <uli> pfps: with a number of unclear points

Peter Patel-Schneider: with a number of unclear points

18:22:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:22:56 <pfps> I'll take an action to update Manchester syntax without any labels stuff.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll take an action to update Manchester syntax without any labels stuff.

18:23:06 <ewallace> Can we summarize that as PFPS finds Alan's proposal underspecified?

Evan Wallace: Can we summarize that as PFPS finds Alan's proposal underspecified?

18:23:10 <uli> ...regarding as to what happens if...with labels

...regarding as to what happens if...with labels

18:23:12 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:23:18 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:23:48 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:24:21 <uli> Ivan: manchester syntax isn't a rectrack document, so we are free to publish draft or note

Ivan Herman: manchester syntax isn't a rectrack document, so we are free to publish draft or note

18:24:40 <pfps> I don't want to publish with an EdNote.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't want to publish with an EdNote.

18:24:53 <uli> ...so i'd suggest that we don't push back this issue when Alan isn't here

...so i'd suggest that we don't push back this issue when Alan isn't here

18:25:33 <uli> IanH: would this be ok with pfps?

Ian Horrocks: would this be ok with pfps?

18:25:39 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:25:45 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

18:25:53 <uli> ...i.e., a draft without labels and no ednote

...i.e., a draft without labels and no ednote

18:26:35 <pfps> OK

Peter Patel-Schneider: OK

18:27:20 <IanH> PROPOSED: new working draft of Manchester Syntax will be published at the end of the month; it won't attempt to address issue-146, nor will it include any ed-note referring to this issue

PROPOSED: new working draft of Manchester Syntax will be published at the end of the month; it won't attempt to address ISSUE-146, nor will it include any ed-note referring to this issue

18:27:26 <schneid> q

Michael Schneider: q

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18:27:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:28:31 <pfps> end-of-month = with other documents

Peter Patel-Schneider: end-of-month = with other documents

18:28:41 <sandro> 01 June  - Publish Round 7: All docs; rec-track specs to CR

Sandro Hawke: 01 June - Publish Round 7: All docs; rec-track specs to CR

18:28:46 <schneid> zakim, mute me

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18:28:57 <sandro> 15 April - Publish Round 6: All documents, specs in Last Call (LC1 or LC2)

Sandro Hawke: 15 April - Publish Round 6: All documents, specs in Last Call (LC1 or LC2)

18:29:00 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Timeline

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Timeline

18:29:41 <IanH> PROPOSED: new working draft of Manchester Syntax will be published as part of round 6 on the 15th April; it won't attempt to address issue-146, nor will it include any ed-note referring to this issue

PROPOSED: new working draft of Manchester Syntax will be published as part of round 6 on the 15th April; it won't attempt to address ISSUE-146, nor will it include any ed-note referring to this issue

18:29:49 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

18:29:52 <uli> +1

+1

18:29:58 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

18:30:02 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

18:30:03 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

18:30:07 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

18:30:07 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

18:30:15 <msmith> +1

Mike Smith: +1

18:30:16 <schneid> +1

Michael Schneider: +1

18:30:19 <MarkusK_> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

18:30:21 <sandro> (publication is already planned --- the point here is about issue-146.)

Sandro Hawke: (publication is already planned --- the point here is about ISSUE-146.)

18:30:24 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

18:30:30 <IanH> RESOLVED: new working draft of Manchester Syntax will be published as part of round 6 on the 15th April; it won't attempt to address issue-146, nor will it include any ed-note referring to this issue

RESOLVED: new working draft of Manchester Syntax will be published as part of round 6 on the 15th April; it won't attempt to address ISSUE-146, nor will it include any ed-note referring to this issue

18:30:31 <pfps> It would also be good to get a vote on 146 and close it by Round 6.

Peter Patel-Schneider: It would also be good to get a vote on 146 and close it by Round 6.

18:30:54 <pfps> I'm OK

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm OK

18:31:22 <uli> Topic: F2F debrief

2. F2F debrief

18:31:41 <uli> IanH: for those who weren't there/didn't read minutes

Ian Horrocks: for those who weren't there/didn't read minutes

18:31:57 <uli> ...there are summaries on http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/F2F5_Summary

...there are summaries on http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/F2F5_Summary

18:31:58 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:32:19 <uli> ...and please take a look at the revised schedule

...and please take a look at the revised schedule

18:32:21 <IanH> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Timeline

Ian Horrocks: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Timeline

18:33:09 <uli> ...so we won't finish by the end of April, and hope to be finished by October

...so we won't finish by the end of April, and hope to be finished by October

18:33:12 <schneid> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

18:33:15 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

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18:33:19 <uli> ...and possibly hang on until the end of the year

...and possibly hang on until the end of the year

18:33:20 <IanH> ack schneid

Ian Horrocks: ack schneid

18:33:54 <uli> schneid: we discussed to have a very short cand-rec phase

Michael Schneider: we discussed to have a very short cand-rec phase

18:34:09 <uli> IanH: correct - it's in the timeline page

Ian Horrocks: correct - it's in the timeline page

18:34:25 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:34:27 <uli> ...because we already have quite a lot of implementations

...because we already have quite a lot of implementations

18:34:37 <schneid> zakim, mute me

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18:35:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:35:08 <uli> IanH: i'd suggest to not spend more time reminiscising

Ian Horrocks: i'd suggest to not spend more time reminiscising

18:35:49 <uli> Topic: Last Call Comments

3. Last Call Comments

18:35:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:35:58 <pfps> q- :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: q- :-)

18:36:09 <uli> IanH: for the 'easy' ones, we will send them unless somebody wants to discuss them

Ian Horrocks: for the 'easy' ones, we will send them unless somebody wants to discuss them

18:36:43 <uli> IanH: so we send all answers to those in the list "Responses ready to send "

Ian Horrocks: so we send all answers to those in the list "Responses ready to send "

18:37:19 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:37:20 <uli> IanH: for LC 43a, did anybody look at it?

Ian Horrocks: for LC 43a, did anybody look at it?

18:37:43 <pfps> Fine by me :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: Fine by me :-)

18:37:46 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:37:50 <uli> ...I did and it seems fine

...I did and it seems fine

18:37:55 <Zhe> yes

Zhe Wu: yes

18:38:07 <uli> IanH: did you see the response?

Ian Horrocks: did you see the response?

18:38:09 <schneid> a few of them came in today, and I hadn't time to look at them yet

Michael Schneider: a few of them came in today, and I hadn't time to look at them yet

18:38:15 <uli> Zhe: looks ok to me

Zhe Wu: looks ok to me

18:38:31 <pfps> I'll put togther one message

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll put togther one message

18:38:32 <uli> IanH: so, we send LC 43a

Ian Horrocks: so, we send LC 43a

18:38:47 <uli> IanH: LC 46

Ian Horrocks: LC 46

18:38:49 <ewallace> This response looks good to me.

Evan Wallace: This response looks good to me.

18:38:53 <msmith> looks good to me

Mike Smith: looks good to me

18:39:00 <pfps> ship it

Peter Patel-Schneider: ship it

18:39:10 <uli> IanH: LC 46 is good to go

Ian Horrocks: LC 46 is good to go

18:39:23 <uli> IanH: LC 53

Ian Horrocks: LC 53

18:39:32 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:39:41 <pfps> 53

Peter Patel-Schneider: 53

18:39:42 <schneid> 53 is fine by me :-)

Michael Schneider: 53 is fine by me :-)

18:40:04 <pfps> OKed by commenter already

Peter Patel-Schneider: OKed by commenter already

18:40:10 <schneid> yes

Michael Schneider: yes

18:40:14 <uli> IanH: we already basically ok-ed it at F2F

Ian Horrocks: we already basically ok-ed it at F2F

18:40:24 <uli> IanH: LC 53 is good to go

Ian Horrocks: LC 53 is good to go

18:40:25 <pfps> OK

Peter Patel-Schneider: OK

18:40:32 <uli> IanH: LC 61

Ian Horrocks: LC 61

18:40:36 <pfps> 61 needs the pointer to the changed section(s)

Peter Patel-Schneider: 61 needs the pointer to the changed section(s)

18:40:52 <pfps> otherwise OK to go

Peter Patel-Schneider: otherwise OK to go

18:40:59 <uli> IanH: it needs a pointer to changed sections

Ian Horrocks: it needs a pointer to changed sections

18:41:00 <msmith> good with those changes

Mike Smith: good with those changes

18:41:12 <uli> IanH: I will fix LC 61 and send it

Ian Horrocks: I will fix LC 61 and send it

18:41:15 <schneid> ok

Michael Schneider: ok

18:41:29 <uli> IanH: LC 10

Ian Horrocks: LC 10

18:41:36 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:41:53 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:41:58 <uli> ...intro needs fixing since unclear whether OWL 1 should be mentioned there

...intro needs fixing since unclear whether OWL 1 should be mentioned there

18:42:03 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:42:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:42:07 <uli> ...this is related to the 'overview'

...this is related to the 'overview'

18:42:18 <uli> pfps: intro or abstract

Peter Patel-Schneider: intro or abstract

18:42:32 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:42:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:42:44 <uli> IanH: new abstract plus roadmap could go into the intro of every document

Ian Horrocks: new abstract plus roadmap could go into the intro of every document

18:42:51 <pfps> q+ to say where to go

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to say where to go

18:42:58 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

18:42:58 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to say where to go

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18:43:17 <uli> pfps: it could go into 'status of document set' part of the whole lot

Peter Patel-Schneider: it could go into 'status of document set' part of the whole lot

18:43:26 <ewallace> Which would go into status ...?

Evan Wallace: Which would go into status ...?

18:43:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:43:43 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:43:53 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:43:56 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:44:07 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:44:11 <uli> Sandro:  don't think this would be a good idea, the roadmap gets quite big

Sandro Hawke: don't think this would be a good idea, the roadmap gets quite big

18:44:27 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:44:30 <uli> IanH: yes, it looks strange next to copyright and should go after table of contents

Ian Horrocks: yes, it looks strange next to copyright and should go after table of contents

18:44:32 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

18:44:57 <uli> pfps: then we shouldn't do this because it's big and bulky and we *have* the document overview

Peter Patel-Schneider: then we shouldn't do this because it's big and bulky and we *have* the document overview

18:45:03 <christine> what topic of agenda is discussed?

Christine Golbreich: what topic of agenda is discussed?

18:45:12 <uli> LC 10

LC 10

18:45:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:45:39 <schneid> Christine, new generic abstract to all our documents

Michael Schneider: Christine, new generic abstract to all our documents

18:45:56 <uli> IanH: this doesn't seem to be optimal

Ian Horrocks: this doesn't seem to be optimal

18:46:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:46:02 <pfps> like what?

Peter Patel-Schneider: like what?

18:46:04 <ewallace> +q

Evan Wallace: +q

18:46:14 <uli> ...ideally, we should something at the beginning of intro like the roadmap

...ideally, we should something at the beginning of intro like the roadmap

18:46:27 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:46:28 <uli> ...which isn't too bulky

...which isn't too bulky

18:46:33 <IanH> ack ewallace

Ian Horrocks: ack ewallace

18:46:45 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

18:46:49 <uli> ewallace: why would we stick the roadmap into all documents?

Evan Wallace: why would we stick the roadmap into all documents?

18:47:07 <uli> IanH: we try to avoid confusing people who start with reading the wrong document

Ian Horrocks: we try to avoid confusing people who start with reading the wrong document

18:47:17 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:47:31 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:47:35 <IanH> ack sandro

Ian Horrocks: ack sandro

18:48:18 <uli> Sandro: we should always make clear (in abstract, intro) in each document that it's a part of a set and *which*

Sandro Hawke: we should always make clear (in abstract, intro) in each document that it's a part of a set and *which*

18:48:32 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:48:38 <elisa> elisa has joined #owl

Elisa Kendall: elisa has joined #owl

18:48:41 <uli> IanH: you want "title...part x'

Ian Horrocks: you want "title...part x'

18:48:50 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:48:56 <pfps> I'm looking at DIrect Semantics - something like "This document is part of the OWL 2 recommendation.  It formally defines the ....  For an introduction to the OWL 2 recommendation, see the Document Overview.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm looking at DIrect Semantics - something like "This document is part of the OWL 2 recommendation. It formally defines the .... For an introduction to the OWL 2 recommendation, see the Document Overview.

18:49:13 <uli> Sandro: yes, add something thoughtful to all intros

Sandro Hawke: yes, add something thoughtful to all intros

18:49:42 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:49:51 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:49:54 <uli> IanH: we should add to whom the document is aimed at

Ian Horrocks: we should add to whom the document is aimed at

18:49:54 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:50:47 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:50:56 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:51:02 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

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18:51:10 <uli> IanH: so, what about a part of the  intro of each doc that tells them for whom the doc is intended and what it does

Ian Horrocks: so, what about a part of the intro of each doc that tells them for whom the doc is intended and what it does

18:51:24 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:51:25 <pfps> a less-formal document could be more user-friendly :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: a less-formal document could be more user-friendly :-)

18:51:29 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:51:30 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

18:51:33 <uli> IanH: (reads pfps' above suggestion and deems it adequate)

Ian Horrocks: (reads pfps' above suggestion and deems it adequate)

18:52:04 <schneid> where should it be now?

Michael Schneider: where should it be now?

18:52:37 <uli> Action on all editor to add such a 'uniform' passage to the intro of their intros

Action on all editor to add such a 'uniform' passage to the intro of their intros

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18:52:40 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:53:02 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:53:05 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

18:53:12 <uli> pfps: i suggest 1. sentence in each intro 'this doc is about' 2. sentence 'for an intro, go ...'

Peter Patel-Schneider: i suggest 1. sentence in each intro 'this doc is about' 2. sentence 'for an intro, go ...'

18:53:15 <schneid> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

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18:53:23 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:53:27 <uli> Sandro: this is adequate

Sandro Hawke: this is adequate

18:53:29 <IanH> ack schneid

Ian Horrocks: ack schneid

18:53:33 <ewallace> If we do more, it won't be uniform.

Evan Wallace: If we do more, it won't be uniform.

18:53:35 <uli> we could also link to the roadmap?

we could also link to the roadmap?

18:53:54 <uli> schneid: sees a lot of text before intro

Michael Schneider: sees a lot of text before intro

18:54:15 <pfps> there is proposed text for abstract in the "response" for 10

Peter Patel-Schneider: there is proposed text for abstract in the "response" for 10

18:54:22 <uli> Sandro: do we continue to have 2 part abstract - 1 for OWL 2, 1 for this document

Sandro Hawke: do we continue to have 2 part abstract - 1 for OWL 2, 1 for this document

18:54:30 <schneid> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:54:30 <Zakim> schneid was not muted, schneid

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18:54:34 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

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18:54:42 <uli> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/IH2

http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/IH2

18:54:45 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:54:52 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:54:53 <pfps> no pointer to Doc Overview yet

Peter Patel-Schneider: no pointer to Doc Overview yet

18:55:12 <uli> ivan: we can't take a final  decision now

Ivan Herman: we can't take a final decision now

18:55:21 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall

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18:55:31 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

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18:55:34 <Zakim> ... Elisa_Kendall

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18:56:10 <uli> IanH: we add, in the preamble to the abstract of each document, a pointer to the overview

Ian Horrocks: we add, in the preamble to the abstract of each document, a pointer to the overview

18:56:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:56:26 <uli> ...even if we loose some uniformity

...even if we loose some uniformity

18:56:47 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:56:59 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:57:06 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

18:57:22 <uli_> Sandro: the preamble in LC 10 answer is too long

Sandro Hawke: the preamble in LC 10 answer is too long

18:57:37 <uli_> pfps: i'd happily drop the 2. paragraph

Peter Patel-Schneider: i'd happily drop the 2. paragraph

18:57:48 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

18:57:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:58:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:58:20 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

18:58:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:58:25 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

18:58:58 <pfps> fine by me

Peter Patel-Schneider: fine by me

18:58:58 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:59:05 <uli_> Ivan: the first paragraph is finte, the second one too long

Ivan Herman: the first paragraph is finte, the second one too long

18:59:35 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:59:37 <uli_> IanH: ok, so we agree to drop second paragr. and do some word smithing on the first one?

Ian Horrocks: ok, so we agree to drop second paragr. and do some word smithing on the first one?

18:59:39 <ewallace> Can we capture this consensus?

Evan Wallace: Can we capture this consensus?

19:00:07 <IanH> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/IH2

Ian Horrocks: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/IH2

19:00:14 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

19:00:57 <IanH> PROPOSED: Substitute common first para of abstract with the first para from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/IH2 (modulo wordsmithing)

PROPOSED: Substitute common first para of abstract with the first para from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/IH2 (modulo wordsmithing)

19:01:01 <pfps> The OWL 2 Web Ontology Language, informally OWL 2, is an ontology language for the Semantic Web with formally defined meaning. OWL 2 ontologies provide the basic ontological categories of classes, properties, individuals, and data values and are stored as Semantic Web documents. OWL 2 ontologies can be used along with information written in RDF, and OWL 2 ontologies themselves can be written...

Peter Patel-Schneider: The OWL 2 Web Ontology Language, informally OWL 2, is an ontology language for the Semantic Web with formally defined meaning. OWL 2 ontologies provide the basic ontological categories of classes, properties, individuals, and data values and are stored as Semantic Web documents. OWL 2 ontologies can be used along with information written in RDF, and OWL 2 ontologies themselves can be written...

19:01:03 <pfps> ...and exchanged as RDF documents. The OWL 2 Document Overview describes the overall state of OWL 2.

Peter Patel-Schneider: ...and exchanged as RDF documents. The OWL 2 Document Overview describes the overall state of OWL 2.

19:01:07 <ewallace> Yes

Evan Wallace: Yes

19:01:07 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

19:01:10 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

19:01:11 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

19:01:12 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

19:01:12 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

19:01:13 <MarkusK_> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

19:01:14 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

19:01:14 <zimmer> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

19:01:15 <uli_> +1

+1

19:01:17 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

19:01:25 <elisa> +1

Elisa Kendall: +1

19:01:31 <IanH> RESOLVED: ROPOSED: Substitute common first para of abstract with the first para from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/IH2 (modulo wordsmithing)

RESOLVED: ROPOSED: Substitute common first para of abstract with the first para from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/IH2 (modulo wordsmithing)

19:01:32 <msmith> +1

Mike Smith: +1

19:01:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:02:03 <uli_> IanH: ..and we also answer to Ivan's LCC

Ian Horrocks: ..and we also answer to Ivan's LCC

19:02:10 <pfps> I'll send the message

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll send the message

19:02:18 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:02:33 <uli_> IanH: LC 21

Ian Horrocks: LC 21

19:02:47 <pfps> 21

Peter Patel-Schneider: 21

19:03:35 <pfps> 21 needs some more work

Peter Patel-Schneider: 21 needs some more work

19:03:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:03:41 <uli_> IanH: mostly editorial?

Ian Horrocks: mostly editorial?

19:03:58 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:03:59 <uli_> q+

q+

19:04:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:04:14 <pfps> also needs to wait for disjointness of datatypes decision

Peter Patel-Schneider: also needs to wait for disjointness of datatypes decision

19:04:24 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:04:29 <IanH> ack uli_

Ian Horrocks: ack uli_

19:04:47 <pfps> there are reasons to leave out reflexive and thing -

Peter Patel-Schneider: there are reasons to leave out reflexive and thing -

19:04:47 <msmith> q+ about datatypes

Mike Smith: q+ about datatypes

19:04:53 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:04:59 <uli_> IanH: non-editorial is reflexive properties in RL

Ian Horrocks: non-editorial is reflexive properties in RL

19:05:04 <IanH> ack about

Ian Horrocks: ack about

19:05:08 <IanH> ack datatypes

Ian Horrocks: ack datatypes

19:05:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:05:26 <uli_> msmith: and datatypes/disjointness needs answering

Mike Smith: and datatypes/disjointness needs answering

19:05:34 <pfps> this should be part of the discussion and vote next week

Peter Patel-Schneider: this should be part of the discussion and vote next week

19:05:37 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:05:40 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

19:05:43 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

19:05:43 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

19:05:45 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

19:05:53 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

19:05:57 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

19:05:57 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

19:06:01 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

19:06:18 <uli_> bmotik: we discussed this and decided to not have reflexive in RL

Boris Motik: we discussed this and decided to not have reflexive in RL

19:06:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:06:52 <bmotik> I'll rephrase that

Boris Motik: I'll rephrase that

19:06:55 <uli_> pfps: we don't want reflexive in RL because they lead to free variables on the RHS of a rule

Peter Patel-Schneider: we don't want reflexive in RL because they lead to free variables on the RHS of a rule

19:07:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:07:01 <bmotik> Yes

Boris Motik: Yes

19:07:29 <bmotik> These are the ones in the first box from the appendix of Syntax

Boris Motik: These are the ones in the first box from the appendix of Syntax

19:07:46 <uli_> pfps: so Boris is already understanding & drafting answer

Peter Patel-Schneider: so Boris is already understanding & drafting answer

19:07:53 <uli_> IanH: LC 32

Ian Horrocks: LC 32

19:08:48 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:08:59 <uli_> pfps: i need to change the doc & then add diffs to response. but we need to decide that this is our response

Peter Patel-Schneider: i need to change the doc & then add diffs to response. but we need to decide that this is our response

19:09:10 <IanH> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/CO1

Ian Horrocks: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/CO1

19:09:15 <uli_> IanH: is Ivan happy with this?

Ian Horrocks: is Ivan happy with this?

19:09:40 <uli_> IanH: LC 58

Ian Horrocks: LC 58

19:10:11 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:10:14 <bmotik> The response is already there

Boris Motik: The response is already there

19:10:19 <uli_> IanH: it's on its way to being done, in the sense 'thanks, we will do it'

Ian Horrocks: it's on its way to being done, in the sense 'thanks, we will do it'

19:10:20 <christine> fix what

Christine Golbreich: fix what

19:10:21 <schneid> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

19:10:24 <schneid> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

19:10:24 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted

19:10:25 <bmotik> I'll make the changes tomorrow

Boris Motik: I'll make the changes tomorrow

19:10:25 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:10:40 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

19:10:40 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

19:10:46 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

19:10:50 <uli_> schneid: would it still be possible to declare classes? allowed?

Michael Schneider: would it still be possible to declare classes? allowed?

19:10:51 <pfps> yes

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes

19:10:51 <IanH> Boris will fix the syntax to be strongly typed

Ian Horrocks: Boris will fix the syntax to be strongly typed

19:10:55 <IanH> ack schneid

Ian Horrocks: ack schneid

19:10:58 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

19:11:02 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:11:11 <uli_> bmotik: everything is preserved - in DL you still need declaration

Boris Motik: everything is preserved - in DL you still need declaration

19:11:24 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:11:28 <uli_> schneid: thanks

Michael Schneider: thanks

19:11:30 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

19:11:30 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

19:11:33 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:11:33 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted

19:11:42 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

19:11:42 <uli_> IanH: do we are only for bmotik to make these changes

Ian Horrocks: do we are only for bmotik to make these changes

19:11:43 <christine> still not convinced argument from MH was 2 passes

Christine Golbreich: still not convinced argument from MH was 2 passes

19:12:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:12:21 <uli_> IanH: i don't understand Christine's question

Ian Horrocks: i don't understand Christine's question

19:12:43 <pfps> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Peter Patel-Schneider: Zakim, who is on the phone?

19:12:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, uli, MarkusK_, Zhe, msmith, Sandro, zimmer, Evan_Wallace, Achille, schneid (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, bcuencagrau (muted), bmotik (muted), Ivan, IanH, uli, MarkusK_, Zhe, msmith, Sandro, zimmer, Evan_Wallace, Achille, schneid (muted),

19:12:43 <christine> why not  mandatory declaration for it instead of full

Christine Golbreich: why not mandatory declaration for it instead of full

19:12:46 <Zakim> ... Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Elisa_Kendall

19:13:11 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:13:15 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

19:13:25 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:13:29 <uli_> IanH: so, peter will send the response

Ian Horrocks: so, peter will send the response

19:13:33 <msmith> q+

Mike Smith: q+

19:13:34 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

19:13:54 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

19:14:05 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:14:09 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

19:14:09 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

19:14:17 <christine> Peter, OK to what ?

Christine Golbreich: Peter, OK to what ?

19:14:24 <uli_> msmith: i think christine means to say that our arguments in the email to Matt are sufficient to justifiy the changes

Mike Smith: i think christine means to say that our arguments in the email to Matt are sufficient to justifiy the changes

19:14:40 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

19:14:46 <uli_> ...but we have had other arguments outside those mentioned in the response

...but we have had other arguments outside those mentioned in the response

19:14:58 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

19:14:58 <ivan> msmisth, ie, what I wrote in  http://www.w3.org/mid/49AEAAF6.5050904@w3.org o.k.

Ivan Herman: msmisth, ie, what I wrote in http://www.w3.org/mid/49AEAAF6.5050904@w3.org o.k.

19:14:59 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

19:15:02 <uli_> ...and we might want to document those

...and we might want to document those

19:15:38 <uli_> ivan: i gave an answer to her just before (linked above)

Ivan Herman: i gave an answer to her just before (linked above)

19:15:51 <bmotik> Not really

Boris Motik: Not really

19:16:17 <bmotik> ACTION: ianh to Flesh out the resposne to 58

ACTION: ianh to Flesh out the resposne to 58

19:16:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ianh

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - ianh

19:16:18 <uli_> Action in IanH to flesh out response to LC 58

Action in IanH to flesh out response to LC 58

19:16:19 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - in

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - in

19:16:23 <bmotik> ACTION: ian to Flesh out the resposne to 58

ACTION: ian to Flesh out the resposne to 58

19:16:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-303 - Flesh out the resposne to 58 [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-03-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-303 - Flesh out the resposne to 58 [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-03-11].

19:17:13 <uli_> Ianh: now we have only more difficult LCCs left

Ian Horrocks: now we have only more difficult LCCs left

19:17:53 <uli_> IanH: at F2F, we discussed disjointness of numeric DTs as requested in LC 24

Ian Horrocks: at F2F, we discussed disjointness of numeric DTs as requested in LC 24

19:18:30 <uli_> ...some people didn't mind this, other did mind (including Zhe and Alan)

...some people didn't mind this, other did mind (including Zhe and Alan)

19:18:44 <uli_> ...and we decided to discuss it at next week's telecon

...and we decided to discuss it at next week's telecon

19:18:52 <msmith> q+ to ask about the relation of this to JDB2

Mike Smith: q+ to ask about the relation of this to JDB2

19:18:56 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:19:01 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

19:19:01 <Zakim> msmith, you wanted to ask about the relation of this to JDB2

Zakim IRC Bot: msmith, you wanted to ask about the relation of this to JDB2

19:19:53 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:20:01 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

19:20:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:20:10 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

19:20:14 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

19:20:15 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

19:20:15 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

19:20:16 <uli_> msmith: in LC 21, there is another case of questions on disjointness of DTs.  Is the disjointness of Hex... and ..binary related to the disjointness of numerices?

Mike Smith: in LC 21, there is another case of questions on disjointness of DTs. Is the disjointness of Hex... and ..binary related to the disjointness of numerices?

19:20:21 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

19:20:55 <msmith> Jos commented on hexBinary and base64Binary specifically

Mike Smith: Jos commented on hexBinary and base64Binary specifically

19:21:16 <uli_> bmotik: we depart from WXS in more than 1 place (not only disjointness of numerics) - are we treating others similarly?

Boris Motik: we depart from WXS in more than 1 place (not only disjointness of numerics) - are we treating others similarly?

19:21:19 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:21:57 <uli_> IanH: nobody has mentioned dateTime so far.

Ian Horrocks: nobody has mentioned dateTime so far.

19:22:11 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/JDB2 in the "syntax" paragraph

Mike Smith: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/LC_Responses/JDB2 in the "syntax" paragraph

19:22:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:22:25 <pfps> yep

Peter Patel-Schneider: yep

19:22:28 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

19:22:28 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

19:23:51 <uli_> IanH: LC 28 and 48

Ian Horrocks: LC 28 and 48

19:24:18 <uli_> IanH: who writes to Frank and Guus?

Ian Horrocks: who writes to Frank and Guus?

19:24:46 <uli_> Action to write responses to LC 28 and 48 on IanH

Action to write responses to LC 28 and 48 on IanH

19:24:46 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - to

19:25:11 <bmotik> ACTION: ian to Craft the response to 28 and 48

ACTION: ian to Craft the response to 28 and 48

19:25:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-304 - Craft the response to 28 and 48 [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-03-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-304 - Craft the response to 28 and 48 [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-03-11].

19:25:25 <pfps> Bijan can respond to himself

Peter Patel-Schneider: Bijan can respond to himself

19:25:30 <uli_> IanH: LC 40

Ian Horrocks: LC 40

19:25:47 <uli_> ...I will ask him to respond to himself

...I will ask him to respond to himself

19:26:10 <uli_> IanH: 51 and 62

Ian Horrocks: 51 and 62

19:26:28 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:26:31 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

19:26:34 <bmotik> Zakim, unmut eme

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmut eme

19:26:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmut eme', bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmut eme', bmotik

19:26:36 <pfps> amnesia

Peter Patel-Schneider: amnesia

19:26:37 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:26:41 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

19:26:42 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

19:26:43 <ewallace> We should have it. IMO

Evan Wallace: We should have it. IMO

19:26:44 <Zakim> bmotik was not muted, bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik was not muted, bmotik

19:26:45 <uli_> ...it might be useful to be able to coin names like "over 18" -- we discussed this, but why do we have this?

...it might be useful to be able to coin names like "over 18" -- we discussed this, but why do we have this?

19:26:46 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:27:08 <uli_> bmotik: i think there was never an issue created, and so nothing ever happened

Boris Motik: i think there was never an issue created, and so nothing ever happened

19:27:12 <msmith> +1 to add them

Mike Smith: +1 to add them

19:27:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:27:16 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

19:27:17 <uli_> IanH

IanH

19:27:17 <ewallace> Address it.

Evan Wallace: Address it.

19:27:17 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

19:27:17 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

19:27:21 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

19:27:34 <uli_> pfps: let's do it

Peter Patel-Schneider: let's do it

19:27:35 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:27:38 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

19:27:42 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

19:27:42 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

19:27:50 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

19:27:59 <uli_> ...bmotik has mentioned that we only need to make sure that they act like macros and are non-cyclic

...bmotik has mentioned that we only need to make sure that they act like macros and are non-cyclic

19:28:09 <schneid> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

19:28:14 <schneid> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

19:28:14 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted

19:28:20 <IanH> ack schneid

Ian Horrocks: ack schneid

19:28:22 <uli_> bmotik: it isn't difficult, doable, but will touch many documents

Boris Motik: it isn't difficult, doable, but will touch many documents

19:28:26 <pfps> there should be no effect on the RDF side

Peter Patel-Schneider: there should be no effect on the RDF side

19:28:47 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

19:28:54 <uli_> mschneid: it will have many ramifications, a new feature, almost every document will need to be touched

Michael Schneider: it will have many ramifications, a new feature, almost every document will need to be touched

19:28:57 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

19:28:57 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

19:29:14 <uli_> mschneid: we could also add it post-hume

Michael Schneider: we could also add it post-hume

19:29:16 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

19:29:18 <schneid> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:29:19 <Zakim> schneid should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted

19:29:29 <ewallace> Good to put in now since we are doing new LC.

Evan Wallace: Good to put in now since we are doing new LC.

19:29:37 <pfps> OK, I'll look by next week

Peter Patel-Schneider: OK, I'll look by next week

19:29:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:29:46 <uli_> ivan: we should ask bmotik and pfps to tell us exactly how much this would involve

Ivan Herman: we should ask bmotik and pfps to tell us exactly how much this would involve

19:30:06 <uli_> ACTION pfps to tell us how much naming of datatypes would cost

ACTION pfps to tell us how much naming of datatypes would cost

19:30:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-305 - Tell us how much naming of datatypes would cost [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2009-03-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-305 - Tell us how much naming of datatypes would cost [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2009-03-11].

19:30:10 <schneid> schneid: as an alternative, we can postpone it

Michael Schneider: as an alternative, we can postpone it [ Scribe Assist by Michael Schneider ]

19:30:14 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:30:38 <uli_> ;)

;)

19:30:46 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

19:30:50 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:30:54 <IanH> ack ivan

Ian Horrocks: ack ivan

19:31:03 <uli_> IanH: thank you everyone for attending and i won't be here next week

Ian Horrocks: thank you everyone for attending and i won't be here next week

19:31:14 <christine> Plan for NF&R : proposal ?

Christine Golbreich: Plan for NF&R : proposal ?

19:31:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:31:53 <uli_> ivan: we should reorder the agenda so as to get to features at risk, etc

Ivan Herman: we should reorder the agenda so as to get to features at risk, etc

19:31:58 <uli_> IanH: ok

Ian Horrocks: ok

19:32:02 <christine> possible proposal f

Christine Golbreich: possible proposal f

19:32:06 <christine> 8 March: deadline for group  input queries of extensions on NF&R

Christine Golbreich: 8 March: deadline for group input queries of extensions on NF&R

19:32:19 <schneid> but the AtRisk stuff does not need to be decided before LC, right?

Michael Schneider: but the AtRisk stuff does not need to be decided before LC, right?

19:32:21 <pfps> fine by me

Peter Patel-Schneider: fine by me

19:32:55 <pfps> NF&R - ship it

Peter Patel-Schneider: NF&R - ship it

19:32:56 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau

Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau

19:32:58 <IanH> Schedule is here: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Timeline

Ian Horrocks: Schedule is here: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Timeline

19:33:04 <uli_> ewallace: christine wants to know schedule for NF&R

Evan Wallace: christine wants to know schedule for NF&R

19:33:22 <IanH> NF&R is on the same schedule as other docs

Ian Horrocks: NF&R is on the same schedule as other docs

19:33:33 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

19:33:44 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

19:33:44 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:34:06 <Zakim> -msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith

19:34:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:34:17 <uli_> pfps: i think christine wants to tell us to not request any changes after March 8

Peter Patel-Schneider: i think christine wants to tell us to not request any changes after March 8

19:34:42 <uli_> ivan: wonders where this request comes from

Ivan Herman: wonders where this request comes from

19:35:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:35:04 <zimmer> bye all

Antoine Zimmermann: bye all

19:35:09 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

19:35:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:35:25 <uli_> ivan: why can't we comment after March 8?

Ivan Herman: why can't we comment after March 8?

19:35:28 <IanH> Why March 8th?

Ian Horrocks: Why March 8th?

19:35:37 <uli_> Christine?

Christine?

19:35:54 <uli_> IanH: suggests to drop back to email discussion

Ian Horrocks: suggests to drop back to email discussion

19:36:07 <Zhe> bye

Zhe Wu: bye

19:36:12 <uli_> ...and declares the meeting closed

...and declares the meeting closed



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