<sandro> PRESENT: Ian, Boris, Smith, Zhe, PFPS, Jie, Ivan, mschnei, markus, sandro, alanruttenberg
<sandro> REMOTE: rees, evan, achille, uli, bijan
<jar> hello
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<jar> I can call in for the imports discussion - if that is appropriate
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<jar> Just sent email to the public-wg-comments list on the subject.
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<jar> The meeting is starting in 1 minute, right? Am I on the right IRC channel?
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<jar> 0 minutes?
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<bmotik> Zakim, this will be owl
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<alanr> Eta 5 min
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<jar> ok, so it's IRC owl, but zakim owlwg.
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<jar> I'm the only one on the call now - could someone dial in from the polycom please?
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<alanr> Anyone elseon yet ?
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<pfps> scribenick: pfps
(Scribe set to Peter Patel-Schneider)
<IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
<IanH> zakim, who is here?
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<Zakim> On the phone I see jar
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<Zakim> On IRC I see jar, alanr, msmith, MarkusK_, Zakim, bmotik, pfps, IanH, bijan, uli, sandro, ewallace, trackbot
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<Zakim> +MIT346
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<bijan> I'll primarily be ircing, but can, mostly, call in at key points at least until lunch
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<pfps> Topic: OWL RL
<pfps> ian: comment 61 and 15
Ian Horrocks: comment 61 and 15 ←
<pfps> ian: approve response for 15?
Ian Horrocks: approve response for 15? ←
<pfps> Proposed: send response for 15
PROPOSED: send response for 15 ←
<IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
<pfps> pfps: +1 ALU
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 ALU ←
<MarkusK_> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
<bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
<bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
<zwu2> +1 ORACLE
<msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
<pfps> RESOLVED: send response for 15
RESOLVED: send response for 15 ←
<schneid> +1 (15)
Michael Schneider: +1 (15) ←
<pfps> ian: lc comment 61 - why only RDF semantics for RL?
Ian Horrocks: lc comment 61 - why only RDF semantics for RL? ←
<pfps> ivan: all profiles can be interpreted both ways
Ivan Herman: all profiles can be interpreted both ways ←
<pfps> ian: yes, but conformance may be a bit off
Ian Horrocks: yes, but conformance may be a bit off ←
<pfps> msmith: conformance needs to be changed
Mike Smith: conformance needs to be changed ←
<pfps> ian: no disagreement - documents need to be clarified
Ian Horrocks: no disagreement - documents need to be clarified ←
<pfps> boris: actual solution - what does an OWL 2 RL checker do
Boris Motik: actual solution - what does an OWL 2 RL checker do ←
<pfps> msmith: EL and QL are DL semantics - RL and Full are RDF semantics
Mike Smith: EL and QL are DL semantics - RL and Full are RDF semantics ←
<pfps> ian: so we parameterize on the semantics
Ian Horrocks: so we parameterize on the semantics ←
<pfps> ian: we say that all conformance can use either semantics
Ian Horrocks: we say that all conformance can use either semantics ←
<pfps> ian: RL needs a bit of work for RDF syntax RL entailment checkers
Ian Horrocks: RL needs a bit of work for RDF syntax RL entailment checkers ←
<pfps> schneid: RDF semantics doesn't give any benefit for EL and QL
Michael Schneider: RDF semantics doesn't give any benefit for EL and QL ←
<pfps> markus: can you notice a difference in EL and QL
Markus Krötzsch: can you notice a difference in EL and QL ←
<pfps> msmith: yes
Mike Smith: yes ←
<pfps> ian: no computational guarantees except for direct semantics
Ian Horrocks: no computational guarantees except for direct semantics ←
<pfps> msmith: we define OWL 2 RL ontology document but then don't use it
Mike Smith: we define OWL 2 RL ontology document but then don't use it ←
<pfps> ian: need editorial fixup in conformance document (only)
Ian Horrocks: need editorial fixup in conformance document (only) ←
<pfps> ian: respond to Jos that he is right and we are fixing it in conformance
Ian Horrocks: respond to Jos that he is right and we are fixing it in conformance ←
<pfps> action: ian to make fixes for 61 and craft response
ACTION: ian to make fixes for 61 and craft response ←
<trackbot> Created ACTION-298 - Make fixes for 61 and craft response [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-03-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-298 - Make fixes for 61 and craft response [on Ian Horrocks - due 2009-03-03]. ←
<pfps> ian: conformance is parameterized on semantics
Ian Horrocks: conformance is parameterized on semantics ←
<pfps> topic: OWL QL
<sandro> subtopic: Add reflexive, symmetric, and asymmetric?
<pfps> ian: uli sent a message on how the submitters of the comments feel about changes
Ian Horrocks: uli sent a message on how the submitters of the comments feel about changes ←
<pfps> scribenick: jie
(Scribe set to Jie Bao)
<pfps> ian: profiles needs to be clear that results are for direct semantics only
Ian Horrocks: profiles needs to be clear that results are for direct semantics only [ Scribe Assist by Peter Patel-Schneider ] ←
<MarkusK_> markus: when allowing RDF semantics for profiles, we need to make sure that the Profiles document takes this into account
Markus Krötzsch: when allowing RDF semantics for profiles, we need to make sure that the Profiles document takes this into account [ Scribe Assist by Markus Krötzsch ] ←
<MarkusK_> markus: especially the complexity part does not seem to mention this now
Markus Krötzsch: especially the complexity part does not seem to mention this now [ Scribe Assist by Markus Krötzsch ] ←
<sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
<Zakim> On the phone I see jar, MIT346
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<Zakim> On IRC I see Jie, sandro, alanr, schneid, ivan, zwu2, jar, msmith, MarkusK_, Zakim, bmotik, pfps, IanH, bijan, uli, ewallace, trackbot
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<Jie> Ian: Uli is talking the QL people
Ian Horrocks: Uli is talking the QL people ←
<Jie> s/talking/talking with
s/talking/talking with ←
<Jie> ... people agree we can't get convincing use cases
... people agree we can't get convincing use cases ←
<Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
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<Jie> Mike: we have implementation showing they are trival things
Mike Smith: we have implementation showing they are trival things ←
<Zakim> +[IBM]
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<Achille> zakim, ibm is me
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<Zakim> +Achille; got it
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<sandro> rrsagent, pointer?
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14:32:58 <Jie> Ian: Health WG has good use case
Ian Horrocks: Health WG has good use case ←
14:33:48 <Zakim> +??P15
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14:33:49 <Jie> Ivan: the problem is even if it is technically possible to add such features, I'm not sure we should
Ivan Herman: the problem is even if it is technically possible to add such features, I'm not sure we should ←
14:33:57 <uli> zakim, ??P15 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
14:33:57 <Zakim> +uli; got it
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14:34:09 <uli> zakim, mute me
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14:34:09 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
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14:34:11 <Jie> ... add a new feature without major justification may not be good
... add a new feature without major justification may not be good ←
14:34:18 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
14:34:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see jar, MIT346, Evan_Wallace, Achille, uli (muted)
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14:34:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Achille, Jie, sandro, alanr, schneid, ivan, zwu2, jar, msmith, MarkusK_, Zakim, bmotik, pfps, IanH, bijan, uli, ewallace, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Achille, Jie, sandro, alanr, schneid, ivan, zwu2, jar, msmith, MarkusK_, Zakim, bmotik, pfps, IanH, bijan, uli, ewallace, trackbot ←
14:34:31 <Jie> ... I'm worry about for doing it lately
... I'm worry about for doing it lately ←
14:34:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:34:56 <Jie> ... We get overall negative feedback on RL all together]
... We get overall negative feedback on RL all together] ←
14:36:05 <Jie> Mike: I think a justification is that it is in OWL and we can add it without technical difficult.
Mike Smith: I think a justification is that it is in OWL and we can add it without technical difficult. ←
14:36:23 <Jie> ... open linked data people would need it
... open linked data people would need it ←
14:36:43 <Jie> ... even through I don't have a specific example now
... even through I don't have a specific example now ←
14:37:06 <Jie> Alan: Profile document needs to be more user understandable
Alan Ruttenberg: Profile document needs to be more user understandable ←
14:37:31 <Jie> ... adding a new functionality will increase its complexity
... adding a new functionality will increase its complexity ←
14:37:42 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:37:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see jar, MIT346, Evan_Wallace, Achille, uli (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jar, MIT346, Evan_Wallace, Achille, uli (muted) ←
14:38:23 <Jie> Zhe: we can define the core stuff, and user add their need
Zhe Wu: we can define the core stuff, and user add their need ←
14:38:28 <sandro> jar, ewallace, uli, Achille --- the webcam is active again -- http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/webcam
Sandro Hawke: jar, ewallace, uli, Achille --- the webcam is active again -- http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/webcam ←
14:38:41 <uli> +1 to Markus
Uli Sattler: +1 to Markus ←
14:38:55 <uli> and Mike, sorry!
Uli Sattler: and Mike, sorry! ←
14:39:26 <Jie> Markus: Profile is target at making ontology processing easier
Markus Krötzsch: Profile is target at making ontology processing easier ←
14:40:03 <Jie> Ivan: We sure can implement more, but that's not the point
Ivan Herman: We sure can implement more, but that's not the point ←
14:40:48 <Jie> ... if we don't know what the community need, then it is not we do standardization
... if we don't know what the community need, then it is not we do standardization ←
14:41:57 <Jie> Ivan: QL anr RL are "entry-level" ontologies in OWL
Ivan Herman: QL anr RL are "entry-level" ontologies in OWL ←
14:42:01 <Jie> ... it should be easy
... it should be easy ←
14:42:19 <Jie> Mike: One of the audience of QL is linked data
Mike Smith: One of the audience of QL is linked data ←
14:42:47 <Jie> ... also include people who want get relational data in OWL
... also include people who want get relational data in OWL ←
14:42:56 <Jie> ... they are not new to OWL
... they are not new to OWL ←
14:43:22 <Jie> Alan: QL and RL are different
Alan Ruttenberg: QL and RL are different ←
14:43:49 <Jie> QL is targeted at low complexity
QL is targeted at low complexity ←
14:44:07 <Jie> ... we are not designing the language to be introdutory
... we are not designing the language to be introdutory ←
14:44:40 <Jie> s/ introdutory/introductory/
s/ introdutory/introductory/ ←
14:44:54 <Jie> Boris: we have some general misunderstanding
Boris Motik: we have some general misunderstanding ←
14:45:05 <Jie> ... on why need QL
... on why need QL ←
14:45:36 <Jie> ... on processing database data, or low complexity or rule reasoning
... on processing database data, or low complexity or rule reasoning ←
14:46:25 <uli> +1 to Boris -- this distinction makes "space" for vendor's PR and for teaching/KT
Uli Sattler: +1 to Boris -- this distinction makes "space" for vendor's PR and for teaching/KT ←
14:46:34 <ewallace> This is the same discussion around OWL Lite
Evan Wallace: This is the same discussion around OWL Lite ←
14:46:39 <ewallace> as Sandro says
Evan Wallace: as Sandro says ←
14:46:59 <Jie> Zhe: from vendor point of view
Zhe Wu: from vendor point of view ←
14:47:08 <Jie> ... vendor wants to add more
... vendor wants to add more ←
14:48:12 <Jie> ... but i don't think it is necessary to add this feature
... but i don't think it is necessary to add this feature ←
14:49:16 <Jie> Peter: if people don't understand, they should look at primer
Peter Patel-Schneider: if people don't understand, they should look at primer ←
14:49:35 <Jie> Ian: profile is not techinical driven
Ian Horrocks: profile is not techinical driven ←
14:49:43 <Jie> ... it is user community driven
... it is user community driven ←
14:49:54 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
14:50:07 <Jie> ... it should be the case we do it because it is doable
... it should be the case we do it because it is doable ←
14:51:17 <Jie> Ivan: in QL, the major disagreement is on sameAs
Ivan Herman: in QL, the major disagreement is on sameAs ←
14:52:00 <Jie> Markus: we don't get simpler to move a feature from non allowed list to allowed list
Markus Krötzsch: we don't get simpler to move a feature from non allowed list to allowed list ←
14:52:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:52:18 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
14:53:06 <Jie> schneid: requirement for QL for processing database data IS technical requirement
Michael Schneider: requirement for QL for processing database data IS technical requirement ←
14:53:36 <Jie> ... features we should avoid are
... features we should avoid are ←
14:53:57 <Jie> ... the ones need further understanding or other features
... the ones need further understanding or other features ←
14:54:08 <Jie> ... or the ones may be misleading
... or the ones may be misleading ←
14:54:21 <Jie> ... i think that's not the case here
... i think that's not the case here ←
14:54:23 <schneid> was owl lite easy to understand for new users?
Michael Schneider: was owl lite easy to understand for new users? ←
14:54:40 <Jie> Alan: reducing the language does not help anybody
Alan Ruttenberg: reducing the language does not help anybody ←
14:55:14 <Jie> Boris: I didn't say it should technical driven
Boris Motik: I didn't say it should technical driven ←
14:55:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
14:55:29 <Jie> s/should/should be
s/should/should be ←
14:55:53 <Jie> ... I agree things should be simple
... I agree things should be simple ←
14:56:10 <Jie> ... but it may exculde some people
... but it may exculde some people ←
14:57:41 <Jie> Ian: of course the document should be improve a little
Ian Horrocks: of course the document should be improve a little ←
14:57:49 <Jie> ... but the document is not user facing
... but the document is not user facing ←
14:58:20 <Jie> ... the specification document are for people who build system
... the specification document are for people who build system ←
14:59:21 <Jie> ... if they run into things they can't understand, there is primer, overview and (there will be) other books
... if they run into things they can't understand, there is primer, overview and (there will be) other books ←
15:00:39 <Jie> ... we should void the mistake that pointing people to the wrong document
... we should void the mistake that pointing people to the wrong document ←
15:02:07 <Jie> Boris: why we need profile, it is contentious
Boris Motik: why we need profile, it is contentious ←
15:02:50 <Jie> ... there would be extension, but it will be painful.
... there would be extension, but it will be painful. ←
15:03:23 <Jie> Zhe: I agree we should focus on accessability
Zhe Wu: I agree we should focus on accessability ←
15:03:56 <Jie> ... for a regular user without good OWL knowledge, which one to choose?
... for a regular user without good OWL knowledge, which one to choose? ←
15:04:04 <Jie> ... we should make it clear to them
... we should make it clear to them ←
15:04:12 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call ←
15:04:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro ←
15:04:17 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:04:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see jar, MIT346, Evan_Wallace, Achille, uli (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jar, MIT346, Evan_Wallace, Achille, uli (muted) ←
15:05:23 <ewallace> Ian's suggestion sounds good.
Evan Wallace: Ian's suggestion sounds good. ←
15:05:45 <Jie> Ian: profile can have some discussion, but the major explanation will be in the primer
Ian Horrocks: profile can have some discussion, but the major explanation will be in the primer ←
15:05:51 <ewallace> Explain in detail in Primer, summarize in Profile doc.
Evan Wallace: Explain in detail in Primer, summarize in Profile doc. ←
15:06:38 <Jie> Ivan: some examples in profile will help
Ivan Herman: some examples in profile will help ←
15:06:46 <Jie> Boris: i agree
Boris Motik: i agree ←
15:07:38 <Jie> Ian: we should go back and focus on decision
Ian Horrocks: we should go back and focus on decision ←
15:07:55 <uli> and
Uli Sattler: and ←
15:07:55 <uli> and symmetric
Uli Sattler: and symmetric ←
15:08:45 <Jie> PROPOSED: the reflexive, symmetric, and asymmetric should be added to be QL profile
PROPOSED: the reflexive, symmetric, and asymmetric should be added to be QL profile ←
15:08:47 <pfps> +1 (ALU)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 (ALU) ←
15:08:49 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
15:08:49 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
15:08:50 <MarkusK_> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
15:08:51 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:08:52 <Jie> +1
+1 ←
15:08:52 <schneid> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
15:08:52 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
15:08:55 <ewallace> +0
Evan Wallace: +0 ←
15:08:56 <ivan> s/asymmertic/assymetric
Ivan Herman: s/asymmertic/assymetric ←
15:09:00 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
15:09:01 <zwu2> -0
15:09:03 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
15:09:08 <bijan> 0
Bijan Parsia: 0 ←
15:09:18 <Achille> 0
Achille Fokoue: 0 ←
15:09:22 <msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
15:09:25 <Jie> s/add/added
s/add/added ←
15:09:47 <Jie> RESOLVED
RESOLVED ←
15:10:04 <alanr> An example that I've recently dealt with on the profiles was a snomed inspired (approximate) workaround for the lack of union in EL. There are benefits and tradeoffs and this might serve as an informative example.
Alan Ruttenberg: An example that I've recently dealt with on the profiles was a snomed inspired (approximate) workaround for the lack of union in EL. There are benefits and tradeoffs and this might serve as an informative example. ←
15:10:29 <uli> q+ to explain
Uli Sattler: q+ to explain ←
15:10:37 <uli> i don't mind
Uli Sattler: i don't mind ←
15:10:41 <ivan> ack uli
Ivan Herman: ack uli ←
15:10:42 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
15:10:42 <Zakim> uli, you wanted to explain
Zakim IRC Bot: uli, you wanted to explain ←
15:10:44 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli ←
15:10:50 <IanH> ack uli
Ian Horrocks: ack uli ←
15:11:03 <schneid> s/assymetric/asymmetric :-)
Michael Schneider: s/assymetric/asymmetric :-) ←
<sandro> RESOLVED: reflexive, symmetric, and asymmetric should be added to be QL profile
RESOLVED: reflexive, symmetric, and asymmetric should be added to be QL profile ←
<sandro> subtopic: Add sameAs
15:12:14 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
15:12:42 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
15:12:42 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
15:12:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
15:12:55 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
15:12:57 <Jie> Uli: if we add sameAS, we may have either recursive query or materialized view
Uli Sattler: if we add sameAS, we may have either recursive query or materialized view ←
15:13:02 <Jie> ... we need to note it
... we need to note it ←
15:13:31 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:13:43 <Jie> Alan: for many users, having an extra table is not an issue
Alan Ruttenberg: for many users, having an extra table is not an issue ←
15:13:45 <uli> no Jie, I said that, if we don't use sameAs, we can use a standard RDBMs system without touching the data.
Uli Sattler: no Jie, I said that, if we don't use sameAs, we can use a standard RDBMs system without touching the data. ←
15:14:02 <Jie> thanks, uli
thanks, uli ←
15:14:08 <uli> ...and if we have sameAs, we need a system..
Uli Sattler: ...and if we have sameAs, we need a system.. ←
15:14:12 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
15:14:12 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
15:14:19 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
15:14:47 <msmith> no
Mike Smith: no ←
15:14:51 <alanr> but what about using materialization for transitive
Alan Ruttenberg: but what about using materialization for transitive ←
15:15:17 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:15:22 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
15:15:22 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
15:15:28 <Jie> Ian: question is if we have sameAs, will we have transitive property also?
Ian Horrocks: question is if we have sameAs, will we have transitive property also? ←
15:15:50 <Jie> Mike: transitive property is not in LOGSAPCE
Mike Smith: transitive property is not in LOGSAPCE ←
15:15:59 <Jie> ... it increases complexity
... it increases complexity ←
15:16:33 <uli> +1 to Markus
Uli Sattler: +1 to Markus ←
15:17:01 <uli> (the point about QL is "by querying only")
Uli Sattler: (the point about QL is "by querying only") ←
15:18:06 <Jie> Boris: adding transitive is not only about recursive query
Boris Motik: adding transitive is not only about recursive query ←
15:18:33 <MarkusK_> markus: replying to alln, I do not think that it is enough to state that QL can still be implmented in DBs using "some extra tables"
Markus Krötzsch: replying to alln, I do not think that it is enough to state that QL can still be implmented in DBs using "some extra tables" [ Scribe Assist by Markus Krötzsch ] ←
<sandro> Meeting in progress. New content inserted above this line.
Sandro Hawke: Meeting in progress. New content inserted above this line. ←
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