00:00:00 <scribenick> PRESENT: Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Ivan, Sandro, uli, Christine, Zhe, Michael Schneider, Markus, Jie
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17:46:22 <ewallace> zakim, this will be owlwg
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17:46:23 <Zakim> ok, ewallace; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
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17:46:55 <ewallace> ScribeNick: ewallace
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17:58:31 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
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17:58:46 <pfps> zakim, who is here?
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17:58:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider
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17:58:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, RRSAgent, ewallace, trackbot, sandro, Zakim
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17:59:02 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
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18:00:18 <Zakim> +??P4
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18:00:29 <IanH> zakim, ??P4 is IanH
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18:00:29 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
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18:00:35 <Zakim> +??P5
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18:00:41 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P5 is me
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18:00:41 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
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18:00:46 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
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18:01:48 <Zakim> +msmith
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18:01:57 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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18:01:57 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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18:01:59 <Zakim> +Ivan
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18:02:17 <Zakim> +Sandro
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18:02:25 <Zakim> +??P9
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18:02:33 <uli_> zakim, ??P9 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P9 is me ←
18:02:35 <Zakim> +uli_; got it
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18:02:41 <uli_> zakim, mute me
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18:02:41 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
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18:02:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Ivan, Sandro, uli_ (muted)
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18:02:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see elisa, ivan, msmith, uli_, bcuencagrau, IanH, pfps, RRSAgent, ewallace, trackbot, sandro, Zakim
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18:03:18 <Christine> Christine has joined #OWL
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18:05:37 <ewallace> topic: Admin
18:05:37 <ewallace> subtopic: Accept previous minutes
18:03:39 <pfps> they're perfect :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: they're perfect :-) ←
18:03:41 <uli_> look good
Uli Sattler: look good ←
18:04:29 <Zakim> +Zhe
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18:04:34 <uli_> zakim, uli_ is uli
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18:04:34 <Zakim> +uli; got it
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18:04:37 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
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18:04:51 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
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18:04:56 <Zakim> + +7.233.aaaa
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18:05:17 <schneid> zakim, +7.233.aaaa is mw
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18:05:17 <Zakim> +mw; got it
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18:05:19 <schneid> zakim, +7.233.aaaa is me
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18:05:19 <Zakim> sorry, schneid, I do not recognize a party named '+7.233.aaaa'
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18:05:27 <schneid> zakim, 7.233.aaaa is me
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18:05:27 <Zakim> sorry, schneid, I do not recognize a party named '7.233.aaaa'
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18:05:35 <pfps> zakim, mw is schneid
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mw is schneid ←
18:05:35 <Zakim> +schneid; got it
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18:05:37 <Zakim> +??P15
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18:05:58 <ewallace> resolved: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.12.17/Agenda
RESOLVED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.12.17/Agenda ←
18:06:00 <schneid> zakim, mute me
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18:06:00 <ewallace> subtopic: Action Item Status
18:04:38 <pfps> I've pushed 252 off to next year anyway.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I've pushed 252 off to next year anyway. ←
18:05:50 <pfps> MIME registration should happen soon
Peter Patel-Schneider: MIME registration should happen soon ←
18:07:01 <pfps> There is a note on the action that appears to do something relevant.
Peter Patel-Schneider: There is a note on the action that appears to do something relevant. ←
18:08:30 <pfps> action 258 (QRG) might be done, but we should get confirmation from Jie that he thinks he is done.
Peter Patel-Schneider: ACTION-258 (QRG) might be done, but we should get confirmation from Jie that he thinks he is done. ←
18:08:50 <baojie> sorry for being late, unexpected snow. I believe Action 258 is done
Jie Bao: sorry for being late, unexpected snow. I believe ACTION-258 is done ←
18:08:41 <ewallace> action 258 done
ACTION-258 done ←
18:08:42 <ewallace> subtopic: Announcing and soliciting reviews of documents
18:08:43 <ewallace> ianh: have we done enough publicizing?
Ian Horrocks: have we done enough publicizing? ←
18:08:48 <Zakim> + +49.343.aabb
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18:08:57 <ewallace> sandro: The key thing is getting enough comments.
Sandro Hawke: The key thing is getting enough comments. ←
18:09:14 <ewallace> ... at two weeks before end we should remind folks to send comments.
... at two weeks before end we should remind folks to send comments. ←
18:09:19 <Zakim> +baojie
Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie ←
18:09:23 <pfps> should put item on agenda for first Jan meeting to send out reminder.
Peter Patel-Schneider: should put item on agenda for first Jan meeting to send out reminder. ←
18:09:40 <ewallace> subtopic: Face-to-face meeting 5
18:10:06 <pfps> fill in people page ASAP
Peter Patel-Schneider: fill in people page ASAP ←
18:10:10 <ewallace> ianh: 23-24 Feb 2009 are the dates chosen.
Ian Horrocks: 23-24 Feb 2009 are the dates chosen. ←
18:10:43 <ewallace> topic: Last Call Comments
18:11:03 <ewallace> ianh: We did get one last call comment from Alan Rector about annotations.
Ian Horrocks: We did get one last call comment from Alan Rector about annotations. ←
18:11:16 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:11:17 <uli_> yes
Uli Sattler: yes ←
18:11:19 <pfps> Is it the same as his other comment?
Peter Patel-Schneider: Is it the same as his other comment? ←
18:11:20 <ewallace> ianh: Anyone looked at it?
Ian Horrocks: Anyone looked at it? ←
18:11:21 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
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18:11:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:11:26 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
18:11:47 <ewallace> mschneid: As far as I understand Alan
Michael Schneider: As far as I understand Alan ←
18:11:59 <ewallace> ... his concern is that you cannot annotate class expressions?
... his concern is that you cannot annotate class expressions? ←
18:12:22 <ewallace> ianh: I think he wants a target not to be restricted to IRIs.
Ian Horrocks: I think he wants a target not to be restricted to IRIs. ←
18:12:25 <schneid> UnionOf(comment("foo") A B) ?
Michael Schneider: UnionOf(comment("foo") A B) ? ←
18:12:36 <pfps> non-IRIs should work in OWL full, right?
Peter Patel-Schneider: non-IRIs should work in OWL full, right? ←
18:12:43 <schneid> UnionOf(comment("foo") A C) ?
Michael Schneider: UnionOf(comment("foo") A C) ? ←
18:12:42 <ewallace> ianh: Wants to make statements about what kind of statements
Ian Horrocks: Wants to make statements about what kind of statements ←
18:12:53 <ewallace> ... are reasonable in an ontology.
... are reasonable in an ontology. ←
18:12:57 <uli_> Wasn't this more about integrating 2 ontologies?
Uli Sattler: Wasn't this more about integrating 2 ontologies? ←
18:12:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:13:33 <uli_> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:13:42 <msmith> yes, I understood as Ian did.
Mike Smith: yes, I understood as Ian did. ←
18:13:46 <uli_> zakim, unmute me
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18:13:46 <Zakim> sorry, uli_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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18:13:46 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:13:48 <schneid> zakim, mute me
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18:13:49 <ewallace> ianh: I think he wants the target of the annotation to be a class expression.
Ian Horrocks: I think he wants the target of the annotation to be a class expression. ←
18:13:50 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:13:52 <uli_> zakim, unmute me
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18:13:52 <Zakim> sorry, uli_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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18:13:54 <pfps> Something like AnnotationAssertion(rdfs:comment foo UnionOf(a b))
Peter Patel-Schneider: Something like AnnotationAssertion(rdfs:comment foo UnionOf(a b)) ←
18:13:59 <IanH> ack uli_
Ian Horrocks: ack uli_ ←
18:14:39 <uli_> 60?
Uli Sattler: 60? ←
18:15:02 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
18:15:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Ivan, Sandro, uli, Zhe (muted), Elisa_Kendall, schneid (muted), MarkusK_, +49.343.aabb,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Ivan, Sandro, uli, Zhe (muted), Elisa_Kendall, schneid (muted), MarkusK_, +49.343.aabb, ←
18:15:05 <Zakim> ... baojie
Zakim IRC Bot: ... baojie ←
18:15:18 <ewallace> uli: I agree with Ian that what Alan wants is to have complex
Uli Sattler: I agree with Ian that what Alan wants is to have complex ←
18:15:29 <ewallace> ... class expressions be the target of annotations.
... class expressions be the target of annotations. ←
18:15:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:15:45 <ewallace> ... His main use case was combination of ontologies.
... His main use case was combination of ontologies. ←
18:16:14 <ewallace> uli: We could do this, but without any semantics ...
Uli Sattler: We could do this, but without any semantics ... ←
18:16:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:28 <ewallace> ... it's late to be doing this.
... it's late to be doing this. ←
18:16:43 <ewallace> ... I don't think that it is a well sorted through use case.
... I don't think that it is a well sorted through use case. ←
18:17:15 <pfps> There is a work-around, which is to put a string in, as in AnnotationAssertion(rdfs:comment foo "UnionOf(a b)")
Peter Patel-Schneider: There is a work-around, which is to put a string in, as in AnnotationAssertion(rdfs:comment foo "UnionOf(a b)") ←
18:17:29 <ewallace> ianh: I was thinking, it was probably motivated by this sanctioning idea.
Ian Horrocks: I was thinking, it was probably motivated by this sanctioning idea. ←
18:17:52 <ewallace> uli: In Alan's email he has a list of use cases.
Uli Sattler: In Alan's email he has a list of use cases. ←
18:18:36 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:18:39 <uli_> zakim, mute me
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18:18:39 <Zakim> sorry, uli_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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18:18:40 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
18:18:44 <ewallace> msmith: 2 things:
Mike Smith: 2 things: ←
18:18:45 <msmith> msmith: (1) bnodes can be the object of annotation assertions
Mike Smith: (1) bnodes can be the object of annotation assertions [ Scribe Assist by Mike Smith ] ←
18:18:46 <msmith> msmith: (2) obo in owl uses annotations in which the the objects are structured. This causes individuals to be added to the model (and the realization hierarchy, etc.), which is not intended.
Mike Smith: (2) obo in owl uses annotations in which the the objects are structured. This causes individuals to be added to the model (and the realization hierarchy, etc.), which is not intended. [ Scribe Assist by Mike Smith ] ←
18:19:03 <Zakim> -uli
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18:19:33 <Zakim> +??P9
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18:19:41 <uli_> zakim, ??P9 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P9 is me ←
18:19:41 <Zakim> +uli_; got it
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18:19:51 <uli_> zakim, mute me
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18:20:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:20:25 <pfps> q+
18:20:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:20:31 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
18:20:57 <ewallace> ianh: I am not hearing anyone respond, "yes we should change the spec accordingly."
Ian Horrocks: I am not hearing anyone respond, "yes we should change the spec accordingly." ←
18:21:18 <ewallace> pfps: This doesn't require a big fix since its part of the annotation system.
Peter Patel-Schneider: This doesn't require a big fix since its part of the annotation system. ←
18:21:35 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:21:35 <ewallace> ... I am against doing something and still have Alan R. be unhappy.
... I am against doing something and still have Alan R. be unhappy. ←
18:21:38 <uli_> I would be afraid that this would confuse users even further...because it introduces more stuff that "looks" semantics but isn't...
Uli Sattler: I would be afraid that this would confuse users even further...because it introduces more stuff that "looks" semantics but isn't... ←
18:21:42 <pfps> q+
18:21:45 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:21:52 <IanH> ack sandro
Ian Horrocks: ack sandro ←
18:21:53 <ewallace> ianh: I am reluctant to take a decision on this today.
Ian Horrocks: I am reluctant to take a decision on this today. ←
18:22:10 <ewallace> sandro: I wonder if we could have someone push back with suggested
Sandro Hawke: I wonder if we could have someone push back with suggested ←
18:22:25 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
18:22:27 <ewallace> ... ways of addressing the use cases without change to the language.
... ways of addressing the use cases without change to the language. ←
18:22:38 <uli_> no, we can't...cause e.g., we don't have an "interface mechanism" in OWL
Uli Sattler: no, we can't...cause e.g., we don't have an "interface mechanism" in OWL ←
18:22:46 <ewallace> pfps: It could be useful to send an informal reply to Alan that unless there
Peter Patel-Schneider: It could be useful to send an informal reply to Alan that unless there ←
18:23:09 <ewallace> ... is a better use case, it's unlikely for anything to happen.
... is a better use case, it's unlikely for anything to happen. ←
18:22:59 <uli_> sure
Uli Sattler: sure ←
18:23:36 <ewallace> sandro: I'd rather try and make Alan happy.
Sandro Hawke: I'd rather try and make Alan happy. ←
18:24:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:00 <ewallace> sandro: The question is could the response be something that would be
Sandro Hawke: The question is could the response be something that would be ←
18:25:09 <ewallace> ... helpful to others as well.
... helpful to others as well. ←
18:26:07 <uli_> no need for a formal one!
Uli Sattler: no need for a formal one! ←
18:26:44 <ewallace> topic: Test Cases
18:27:11 <Zakim> - +49.343.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +49.343.aabb ←
18:27:17 <ewallace> ianh: Markus and Mike have been doing quite a bit of work on the test cases.
Ian Horrocks: Markus and Mike have been doing quite a bit of work on the test cases. ←
18:27:20 <MarkusK_> Test cases are now being collected at http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/.
Markus Krötzsch: Test cases are now being collected at http://km.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de/projects/owltests/. ←
18:27:26 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:27:30 <MarkusK_> q+
Markus Krötzsch: q+ ←
18:27:32 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Result_Format
Mike Smith: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Result_Format ←
18:27:34 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
18:27:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:27:42 <ewallace> ... there is also a test harness now that can be used for running tests on various reasoners.
... there is also a test harness now that can be used for running tests on various reasoners. ←
18:28:39 <ewallace> ianh: With OWL 1 we had a page with an overview of the tests and results.
Ian Horrocks: With OWL 1 we had a page with an overview of the tests and results. ←
18:28:53 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:28:56 <ewallace> ... We want to produce a similar thing, which means producing results
... We want to produce a similar thing, which means producing results ←
18:29:05 <IanH> ack MarkusK_
Ian Horrocks: ack MarkusK_ ←
18:29:08 <ewallace> ... in a form that can be aggregated.
... in a form that can be aggregated. ←
18:29:40 <ewallace> Markus: The URL above is the place for submitting tests.
Markus Krötzsch: The URL above is the place for submitting tests. ←
18:30:17 <ewallace> ianh: I put a link from the sidebar of the OWL wg wiki to this page.
Ian Horrocks: I put a link from the sidebar of the OWL wg wiki to this page. ←
18:30:53 <ewallace> ianh: Quite a few tests have already been added.
Ian Horrocks: Quite a few tests have already been added. ←
18:31:19 <ewallace> ianh: We have the test infrastructure, it's easy to add tests.
Ian Horrocks: We have the test infrastructure, it's easy to add tests. ←
18:31:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:31:58 <ewallace> ianh: We will need to create a process for approving tests in the telecons.
Ian Horrocks: We will need to create a process for approving tests in the telecons. ←
18:32:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:32:33 <ewallace> ianh: I think that Mike Smith converted a set of OWL 1 tests that are pending for approval.
Ian Horrocks: I think that Mike Smith converted a set of OWL 1 tests that are pending for approval. ←
18:32:38 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:32:56 <IanH> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Queue
Ian Horrocks: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Test_Queue ←
18:33:23 <ewallace> ianh: That page contains all the test that have been transferred from
Ian Horrocks: That page contains all the test that have been transferred from ←
18:33:46 <ewallace> ... OWL 1 and have been run against at least two reasoners.
... OWL 1 and have been run against at least two reasoners. ←
18:33:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:33:52 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:33:58 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:33:58 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should no longer be muted ←
18:33:59 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
18:34:00 <ewallace> ianh: Should we bulk approve these?
Ian Horrocks: Should we bulk approve these? ←
18:34:43 <ewallace> mschneid: I looked at some ... there are some that deal with DAML+OIL.
Michael Schneider: I looked at some ... there are some that deal with DAML+OIL. ←
18:34:49 <schneid> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: schneid should now be muted ←
18:34:53 <schneid> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:34:53 <Zakim> schneid should no longer be muted
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18:34:55 <schneid> zakim, mute me
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18:35:03 <ewallace> ... I think these should be dropped, since they don't make sense anymore.
... I think these should be dropped, since they don't make sense anymore. ←
18:35:22 <ewallace> msmith: These are not in the test queue.
Mike Smith: These are not in the test queue. ←
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18:35:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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18:35:47 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:35:54 <ewallace> ianh: M Scheider - where did you see these tests that refer to DAML+OIL?
Ian Horrocks: M Scheider - where did you see these tests that refer to DAML+OIL? ←
18:36:52 <schneid> sorry, will send them later. I just have some problems with my internet connection
Michael Schneider: sorry, will send them later. I just have some problems with my internet connection ←
18:35:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:36:01 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
18:36:39 <ewallace> msmith: in terms of bulk acceptance - this will work well for many of the tests
Mike Smith: in terms of bulk acceptance - this will work well for many of the tests ←
18:36:51 <ewallace> ... that don't fit into a particular profile.
... that don't fit into a particular profile. ←
18:37:18 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:37:20 <ewallace> ianh: I presume these came from the DL test suite, so they should be sensible.
Ian Horrocks: I presume these came from the DL test suite, so they should be sensible. ←
18:37:26 <ewallace> ... tests for OWL 2.
... tests for OWL 2. ←
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18:37:36 <IanH> q?
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18:38:10 <ewallace> ianh: Given that we are a fairly small group today, I'd be happy to postpone
Ian Horrocks: Given that we are a fairly small group today, I'd be happy to postpone ←
18:38:14 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:38:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:38:30 <ewallace> ... a decision on these until the next scheduled telecon.
... a decision on these until the next scheduled telecon. ←
18:38:31 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:38:36 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
18:38:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:38:59 <ewallace> msmith: The list is the set of tests that were complete. The list is larger.
Mike Smith: The list is the set of tests that were complete. The list is larger. ←
18:39:24 <schneid> DAML+OIL stuff in the "by issue" list, e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/byIssue#issue-I3.2-Qualified-Restrictions
Michael Schneider: DAML+OIL stuff in the "by issue" list, e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/byIssue#issue-I3.2-Qualified-Restrictions ←
18:39:29 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:39:32 <IanH> ack sandro
Ian Horrocks: ack sandro ←
18:39:44 <ewallace> ianh: Please mark the block that we are talking about today for consideration next time.
Ian Horrocks: Please mark the block that we are talking about today for consideration next time. ←
18:39:59 <msmith> schneid: see e.g., http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TestCase:WebOnt-I3.2-001
Michael Schneider: see e.g., http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TestCase:WebOnt-I3.2-001 [ Scribe Assist by Mike Smith ] ←
18:40:20 <ewallace> sandro: I think we should say for every OWL 1 test if it is approved or why it isn't,
Sandro Hawke: I think we should say for every OWL 1 test if it is approved or why it isn't, ←
18:40:28 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:40:38 <ewallace> ... so people have a better sense of compatibility between the versions of OWL.
... so people have a better sense of compatibility between the versions of OWL. ←
18:40:46 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:40:53 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Conformance_and_Test_Cases#Changes_to_Test_Types
Mike Smith: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Conformance_and_Test_Cases#Changes_to_Test_Types ←
18:40:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:40:55 <schneid> thanks, mike, for the pointer
Michael Schneider: thanks, mike, for the pointer ←
18:40:58 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
18:40:59 <ewallace> ianh: It may be that even the DAML+OIL tests should be translated.
Ian Horrocks: It may be that even the DAML+OIL tests should be translated. ←
18:41:35 <ewallace> msmith: I just posted the links to the test cases, and the DAML+OIL tests are already removed.
Mike Smith: I just posted the links to the test cases, and the DAML+OIL tests are already removed. ←
18:42:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:42:13 <ewallace> ianh: I guess we could expand a section of the Test document to include an explanation
Ian Horrocks: I guess we could expand a section of the Test document to include an explanation ←
18:42:27 <ewallace> ... of those OWL 1 tests that weren't included.
... of those OWL 1 tests that weren't included. ←
18:42:16 <msmith> yes, I agree. clear documentation of any test removal makes sense.
Mike Smith: yes, I agree. clear documentation of any test removal makes sense. ←
18:42:38 <schneid> btw, we don't have "daml:" in our "restricted vocabulary" :)
Michael Schneider: btw, we don't have "daml:" in our "restricted vocabulary" :) ←
18:43:08 <ewallace> ianh: we have the set of tests that's in the queue.
Ian Horrocks: we have the set of tests that's in the queue. ←
18:43:32 <ewallace> ... its our job to look at these tests. Barring any concerns we will bulk approve those pending.
... its our job to look at these tests. Barring any concerns we will bulk approve those pending. ←
18:43:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:44:37 <ewallace> ianh: We anticipate approving the current bunch and announcing new pending
Ian Horrocks: We anticipate approving the current bunch and announcing new pending ←
18:44:45 <ewallace> ... tests at the next meeting.
... tests at the next meeting. ←
18:45:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:45:34 <msmith> yes.
Mike Smith: yes. ←
18:45:38 <ewallace> ianh: In the future, tests will come in from the wiki in the sidebar and be pushed into
Ian Horrocks: In the future, tests will come in from the wiki in the sidebar and be pushed into ←
18:45:43 <ewallace> ... the queue.
... the queue. ←
18:45:51 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:46:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:46:28 <schneid> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:46:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:46:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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18:46:38 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
18:46:42 <ewallace> ianh: Is anyone will to produce some test cases for new capabilities, like annotations?
Ian Horrocks: Is anyone will to produce some test cases for new capabilities, like annotations? ←
18:47:09 <ewallace> mschneid: I guess I will produce some test cases for RDF semantics after LC.
Michael Schneider: I guess I will produce some test cases for RDF semantics after LC. ←
18:47:24 <msmith> schneid, that is handled in some of the webont tests already. I will send you a link.
Mike Smith: schneid, that is handled in some of the webont tests already. I will send you a link. ←
18:47:42 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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18:47:48 <ewallace> ianh: I guess there are two things: the distinction of OWL 1 and 2, and the issue that
Ian Horrocks: I guess there are two things: the distinction of OWL 1 and 2, and the issue that ←
18:47:59 <ewallace> ... annotations no longer have semantics.
... annotations no longer have semantics. ←
18:48:13 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TestCase:WebOnt-AnnotationProperty-002
Mike Smith: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TestCase:WebOnt-AnnotationProperty-002 ←
18:48:23 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:48:23 <msmith> is the full version of http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TestCase:WebOnt-AnnotationProperty-001
Mike Smith: is the full version of http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/TestCase:WebOnt-AnnotationProperty-001 ←
18:48:27 <ewallace> ianh: Not sure how OWL 1 annotation semantics could have been properly tested.
Ian Horrocks: Not sure how OWL 1 annotation semantics could have been properly tested. ←
18:48:51 <ewallace> pfps: I believe that there was a test for this, and some implementations passed this test.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I believe that there was a test for this, and some implementations passed this test. ←
18:49:33 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:49:40 <ewallace> ianh: This test would reveal this backwards incompatibility.
Ian Horrocks: This test would reveal this backwards incompatibility. ←
18:49:41 <pfps> agreed.
Peter Patel-Schneider: agreed. ←
18:50:01 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
18:50:03 <schneid> old DL: annotate an individual x, then say SameIndividual(x y), and y should have the same annotation, but not OWL 2 DL
Michael Schneider: old DL: annotate an individual x, then say SameIndividual(x y), and y should have the same annotation, but not OWL 2 DL ←
18:50:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:50:06 <ewallace> ianh: We should identify which test this was and mention it in the conformance
Ian Horrocks: We should identify which test this was and mention it in the conformance ←
18:50:14 <ewallace> ... and test case document.
... and test case document. ←
18:50:38 <ewallace> msmith: We have a place in the document where the whole point is to highlight
Mike Smith: We have a place in the document where the whole point is to highlight ←
18:50:50 <ewallace> ... diffs between OWL Full and DL.
... diffs between OWL Full and DL. ←
18:50:38 <schneid> (the above was a guess!)
Michael Schneider: (the above was a guess!) ←
18:50:42 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:51:07 <ewallace> ianh: Do we have a similar category for diffs between OWL 1 and 2?
Ian Horrocks: Do we have a similar category for diffs between OWL 1 and 2? ←
18:51:16 <ewallace> msmith: No.
Mike Smith: No. ←
18:51:59 <ewallace> ianh: I wasn't overwhelmed with volunteers for test cases, but we could use some more tests.
Ian Horrocks: I wasn't overwhelmed with volunteers for test cases, but we could use some more tests. ←
18:52:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:52:28 <msmith> yes
Mike Smith: yes ←
18:52:32 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
18:52:33 <ewallace> ianh: I will ask the editors of the relevant docs to produce some of these.
Ian Horrocks: I will ask the editors of the relevant docs to produce some of these. ←
18:52:37 <uli_> Perhaps we all have a think about this over christmas?!
Uli Sattler: Perhaps we all have a think about this over christmas?! ←
18:53:16 <schneid> As I said, I will take the opportunity to produce a few testcases, but only after LC publication
Michael Schneider: As I said, I will take the opportunity to produce a few testcases, but only after LC publication ←
18:53:57 <uli_> I will also have a look at how we can get test cases out of our ontology repository
Uli Sattler: I will also have a look at how we can get test cases out of our ontology repository ←
18:54:18 <ewallace> topic: Plans for non-Last Call documents
18:54:22 <pfps> q+
18:54:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:54:31 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
18:54:42 <uli_> why?
Uli Sattler: why? ←
18:54:44 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:54:45 <ewallace> ianh: I don't plan for a decision today on this.
Ian Horrocks: I don't plan for a decision today on this. ←
18:54:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:54:58 <IanH> ack sandro
Ian Horrocks: ack sandro ←
18:55:21 <ewallace> pfps: I wouldn't object to ManchesterSyntax being rec track, but I am not in favor.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I wouldn't object to ManchesterSyntax being rec track, but I am not in favor. ←
18:55:27 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:55:28 <pfps> q+
18:55:30 <uli_> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:55:49 <ewallace> sandro: I would be against this being Rec track as I described in email.
Sandro Hawke: I would be against this being Rec track as I described in email. ←
18:55:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:03 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
18:56:27 <uli_> zakim, unmute me
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18:56:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:30 <Zakim> + +49.343.aacc
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18:56:31 <IanH> ack uli_
Ian Horrocks: ack uli_ ←
18:56:32 <ewallace> pfps: I don't see how the ManchesterSyntax doc could be inferred to be the
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't see how the ManchesterSyntax doc could be inferred to be the ←
18:56:49 <pfps> q+
18:57:01 <ewallace> ... one and only OWL 2 ASCII syntax because the Functional Syntax is also ASCII-ish.
... one and only OWL 2 ASCII syntax because the Functional Syntax is also ASCII-ish. ←
18:57:20 <sandro> q+ to respond to Uli, with "that's what a WG Note is"
Sandro Hawke: q+ to respond to Uli, with "that's what a WG Note is" ←
18:57:20 <msmith> +1 to uli
Mike Smith: +1 to uli ←
18:57:30 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
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18:57:39 <uli_> good point
Uli Sattler: good point ←
18:57:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:57:46 <IanH> ack sandro
Ian Horrocks: ack sandro ←
18:57:46 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to respond to Uli, with "that's what a WG Note is"
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18:57:54 <ewallace> pfps: I am also confused why Sandro wouldn't object to the QRG because its not in
Peter Patel-Schneider: I am also confused why Sandro wouldn't object to the QRG because its not in ←
18:58:02 <ewallace> ... the charter either.
... the charter either. ←
18:58:22 <uli_> but do we make similar statements regarding other syntaxes?
Uli Sattler: but do we make similar statements regarding other syntaxes? ←
18:58:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:58:47 <ewallace> sandro: A Recommendation says THE technology you should use for this space is defined here.
Sandro Hawke: A Recommendation says THE technology you should use for this space is defined here. ←
18:58:53 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:59:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:59:14 <uli_> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:59:28 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
18:59:39 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/OWLCharter.html#deliverables
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/06/OWLCharter.html#deliverables ←
18:59:43 <ewallace> Sandro: I think that QRG could be said to be part of the Reference that we are chartered to produce.
Sandro Hawke: I think that QRG could be said to be part of the Reference that we are chartered to produce. ←
18:59:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:00:01 <pfps> q+
19:00:49 <ewallace> ivan: If we have the Manchester syntax as a Rec, we have to say something about conformance wrt it.
Ivan Herman: If we have the Manchester syntax as a Rec, we have to say something about conformance wrt it. ←
19:00:48 <pfps> From Conformance: Several syntaxes have been defined for OWL 2 ontology documents, some or all of which could be used by OWL 2 tools for exchanging documents. However, conformant OWL 2 tools that take ontology documents as input(s) MUST accept ontology documents using the RDF/XML serialization [OWL 2 Mapping to RDF Graphs], and conformant OWL 2 tools that publish ontology documents MUST, if...
Peter Patel-Schneider: From Conformance: Several syntaxes have been defined for OWL 2 ontology documents, some or all of which could be used by OWL 2 tools for exchanging documents. However, conformant OWL 2 tools that take ontology documents as input(s) MUST accept ontology documents using the RDF/XML serialization [OWL 2 Mapping to RDF Graphs], and conformant OWL 2 tools that publish ontology documents MUST, if... ←
19:00:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:00:49 <pfps> ...possible, be able to publish them in the RDF/XML serialization if asked to do so (e.g., via HTTP content negotiation). OWL 2 tools MAY also accept and/or publish ontology documents using other serializations, for example the XML Serialization [OWL 2 XML Syntax].
Peter Patel-Schneider: ...possible, be able to publish them in the RDF/XML serialization if asked to do so (e.g., via HTTP content negotiation). OWL 2 tools MAY also accept and/or publish ontology documents using other serializations, for example the XML Serialization [OWL 2 XML Syntax]. ←
19:00:56 <uli_> ack uli
Uli Sattler: ack uli ←
19:00:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:00:58 <pfps> q-
19:01:14 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
19:01:54 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
19:02:20 <ewallace> ivan: The question I have is: Why should it be a Rec?
Ivan Herman: The question I have is: Why should it be a Rec? ←
19:02:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:03:00 <uli_> zakim, unmute me
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19:03:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:03:13 <ewallace> ... Regardless of what happened to the other documents, are there any arguments for making it Rec.
... Regardless of what happened to the other documents, are there any arguments for making it Rec. ←
19:03:26 <Christine> several arguments why not have been given
Christine Golbreich: several arguments why not have been given ←
19:03:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:03:39 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
19:03:46 <ewallace> uli: In past, we have read some many papers where folks have pasted in rdf/xml for e.g.s.
Uli Sattler: In past, we have read some many papers where folks have pasted in rdf/xml for e.g.s. ←
19:04:21 <ewallace> ... We should encourage a human readable alternative, like Manchester.
... We should encourage a human readable alternative, like Manchester. ←
19:03:53 <sandro> hopefully the primer will give it enough exposure....
Sandro Hawke: hopefully the primer will give it enough exposure.... ←
19:04:12 <Christine> agree
Christine Golbreich: agree ←
19:04:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:04:50 <Christine> +q
Christine Golbreich: +q ←
19:04:52 <ewallace> uli: I would like not to discourage people in using it for human to human communication.
Uli Sattler: I would like not to discourage people in using it for human to human communication. ←
19:04:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:05:12 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
19:05:14 <uli_> zakim, mute me
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19:05:31 <sandro> I think most people don't care Rec-vs-Note, but for the ones who do care, it's an important thing to get right.
Sandro Hawke: I think most people don't care Rec-vs-Note, but for the ones who do care, it's an important thing to get right. ←
19:05:42 <ewallace> ivan: I understand Uli. But RDF community has been happy to use Turtle for years
Ivan Herman: I understand Uli. But RDF community has been happy to use Turtle for years ←
19:05:50 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:05:58 <ewallace> ... without any Rec document specifying it.
... without any Rec document specifying it. ←
19:06:22 <ewallace> Christine: I don't see why it would discourage people for using it becuase
Christine Golbreich: I don't see why it would discourage people for using it becuase ←
19:06:36 <ewallace> ... it is already used in tools, etc.
... it is already used in tools, etc. ←
19:06:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:06:48 <IanH> ack Christine
Ian Horrocks: ack Christine ←
19:06:54 <ewallace> ... I think it would be in conflict with what is in Conformance.
... I think it would be in conflict with what is in Conformance. ←
19:07:09 <ewallace> ... Having it in Rec track will give it a special status.
... Having it in Rec track will give it a special status. ←
19:07:42 <ewallace> ianh: Given a lack of champion for this being Rec track, let's not continue this
Ian Horrocks: Given a lack of champion for this being Rec track, let's not continue this ←
19:07:46 <ewallace> ... discussion now.
... discussion now. ←
19:07:56 <ewallace> topic: Coordination with RIF
19:08:14 <ewallace> ianh: There was a meeting last Thursday about this topic.
Ian Horrocks: There was a meeting last Thursday about this topic. ←
19:08:18 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:08:27 <ewallace> ianh: Can someone give a quick overview of what occured?
Ian Horrocks: Can someone give a quick overview of what occured? ←
19:08:41 <IanH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Dec/att-0044/2270.2.html
Ian Horrocks: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Dec/att-0044/2270.2.html ←
19:08:50 <ewallace> sandro: Everyone should have a pointer to the minutes.
Sandro Hawke: Everyone should have a pointer to the minutes. ←
19:08:58 <MarkusK_> I have to leave now. Bye.
Markus Krötzsch: I have to leave now. Bye. ←
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19:09:15 <ewallace> sandro: We need to coordinate comments to rdf:text.
Sandro Hawke: We need to coordinate comments to rdf:text. ←
19:09:44 <ewallace> ... We talked about Jos' rdf compatibility document and updating it to OWL 2.
... We talked about Jos' rdf compatibility document and updating it to OWL 2. ←
19:09:54 <IanH> action: baojie forward rdf:text comments to RIF list
ACTION: baojie forward rdf:text comments to RIF list ←
19:09:54 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie ←
19:10:08 <ewallace> We talked about the list of datatypes. In particular this was an opportunity
We talked about the list of datatypes. In particular this was an opportunity ←
19:10:24 <ewallace> ... for Boris to speak about the new datatypes.
... for Boris to speak about the new datatypes. ←
19:10:36 <Zakim> - +49.343.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +49.343.aacc ←
19:11:13 <ewallace> ... Other types in OWL for completeness.
... Other types in OWL for completeness. ←
19:11:30 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
19:11:35 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:11:36 <ewallace> ... Finally we talked about OWL RL.
... Finally we talked about OWL RL. ←
19:11:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:12:18 <ewallace> ianh: Timeline?
Ian Horrocks: Timeline? ←
19:12:26 <IanH> What is future actions and timeline?
Ian Horrocks: What is future actions and timeline? ←
19:12:44 <ewallace> sandro: we might have assigned a schedule for the RL encoding.
Sandro Hawke: we might have assigned a schedule for the RL encoding. ←
19:12:53 <ewallace> ... it was probably about 2 weeks.
... it was probably about 2 weeks. ←
19:13:12 <ewallace> sandro: No additional meeting has been planned at this time.
Sandro Hawke: No additional meeting has been planned at this time. ←
19:13:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:13:17 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
19:13:23 <ewallace> ianh: Should there be a future meeting?
Ian Horrocks: Should there be a future meeting? ←
19:13:27 <ewallace> ivan: Yes.
Ivan Herman: Yes. ←
19:13:59 <ewallace> ivan: I think that for the RL rules, the least disruptive thing would
Ivan Herman: I think that for the RL rules, the least disruptive thing would ←
19:14:09 <ewallace> ... be to publish a joint note.
... be to publish a joint note. ←
19:14:36 <ewallace> ... Changing the OWL 2 Profile document might force us to a 2nd LC.
... Changing the OWL 2 Profile document might force us to a 2nd LC. ←
19:15:09 <ewallace> sandro: Disagree. It just changes the syntax of the rules.
Sandro Hawke: Disagree. It just changes the syntax of the rules. ←
19:15:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:15:34 <ewallace> ianh: Worried that the action wrt datatypes is open ended, with no schedule.
Ian Horrocks: Worried that the action wrt datatypes is open ended, with no schedule. ←
19:15:58 <ewallace> sandro: the worst thing would be for RIF to respond that the burden of
Sandro Hawke: the worst thing would be for RIF to respond that the burden of ←
19:16:10 <ewallace> ... these datatypes is too great.
... these datatypes is too great. ←
19:16:18 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:16:19 <ewallace> ... This would have to be done at LC.
... This would have to be done at LC. ←
19:16:56 <ewallace> topic: Features "At-Risk"
19:17:07 <ewallace> just a place holder in today's agenda.
just a place holder in today's agenda. ←
19:17:17 <ewallace> topic: AOB
19:17:20 <uli_> hurray
Uli Sattler: hurray ←
19:17:31 <uli_> ho ho ho
Uli Sattler: ho ho ho ←
19:17:46 <schneid> +1 to 7th Jan
Michael Schneider: +1 to 7th Jan ←
19:17:48 <ewallace> ianh: Next call will be Wednesday the 7th of Jan
Ian Horrocks: Next call will be Wednesday the 7th of Jan ←
19:18:13 <msmith> happy holidays everyone. See you in January.
Mike Smith: happy holidays everyone. See you in January. ←
19:18:14 <uli_> happy new year
Uli Sattler: happy new year ←
19:18:18 <Zakim> -uli_
Zakim IRC Bot: -uli_ ←
19:18:20 <Zakim> -msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith ←
19:18:20 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau
Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau ←
19:18:22 <ivan> bye, bye everyone!
Ivan Herman: bye, bye everyone! ←
19:18:22 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: -Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
19:18:22 <Zhe> happy new year
19:18:23 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
19:18:23 <schneid> bye!
Michael Schneider: bye! ←
19:18:25 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa_Kendall ←
19:18:27 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
19:18:28 <Zakim> -Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe ←
19:18:30 <Zakim> -baojie
Zakim IRC Bot: -baojie ←
19:18:31 <Christine> bye
Christine Golbreich: bye ←
19:18:31 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
19:18:38 <Zakim> -schneid
Zakim IRC Bot: -schneid ←
19:18:40 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
19:18:40 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended ←
19:18:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, bcuencagrau, msmith, Ivan, Sandro, Zhe, uli, Elisa_Kendall, schneid, MarkusK_, +49.343.aabb, baojie, uli_, +49.343.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, IanH, bcuencagrau, msmith, Ivan, Sandro, Zhe, uli, Elisa_Kendall, schneid, MarkusK_, +49.343.aabb, baojie, uli_, +49.343.aacc ←
19:24:21 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public
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Ian Horrocks: RRSAgent, make records public ←
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