00:00:00 <JeffP> PRESENT: MartinD, Alan_Ruttenberg, bcuencagrau, Ivan, Rinke, MarkusK, m_schnei, pfps, JeffP, Sandro, bmotik, baojie, msmith, uli, Zhe, Achille
00:00:00 <JeffP> REGRETS: Elisa Kendall
00:00:00 <JeffP> CHAIR: Alan_Ruttenberg
16:38:48 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-owl-irc
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16:39:23 <JeffP> JeffP has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.09.17/Agenda
Jeff Pan: JeffP has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.09.17/Agenda ←
16:39:49 <JeffP> Zakim, this will be owlwg
Jeff Pan: Zakim, this will be owlwg ←
16:39:49 <Zakim> ok, JeffP; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 21 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, JeffP; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 21 minutes ←
16:40:12 <JeffP> ScribeNick: JeffP
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16:40:21 <JeffP> RRSAgent, make records public
RRSAgent, make records public ←
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16:59:44 <Zakim> +MartinD
Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD ←
16:59:45 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan_Ruttenberg ←
16:59:54 <MartinD> zakim, mute me
Martin Dzbor: zakim, mute me ←
16:59:54 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted ←
17:00:07 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
17:00:11 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
17:00:13 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
17:00:15 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
17:00:19 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P9 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←
17:00:19 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
17:00:35 <Zakim> + +31.20.525.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +31.20.525.aaaa ←
17:00:40 <Rinke> Zakim, aaaa is me
Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
17:00:40 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it ←
17:01:17 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
17:01:38 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
17:01:44 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:01:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see MartinD (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, bcuencagrau, Ivan, Rinke, MarkusK, ??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MartinD (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, bcuencagrau, Ivan, Rinke, MarkusK, ??P5 ←
17:01:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, m_schnei, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, ivan, alanr, bmotik, MartinD, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, Rinke, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, m_schnei, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, ivan, alanr, bmotik, MartinD, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, Rinke, sandro, trackbot ←
17:01:52 <m_schnei> zakim, ??P5 is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P5 is me ←
17:01:57 <Zakim> + +1.908.612.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.908.612.aabb ←
17:01:59 <Zakim> +m_schnei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei; got it ←
17:02:01 <Zakim> +Quentin
Zakim IRC Bot: +Quentin ←
17:02:04 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:02:05 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
17:02:09 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:02:11 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
17:02:12 <JeffP> zakim, quentin is me
zakim, quentin is me ←
17:02:13 <Zakim> m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei ←
17:02:17 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
17:02:18 <bmotik_> Zakim, ??P5 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P5 is me ←
17:02:21 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
17:02:23 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it ←
17:02:31 <Zakim> I already had ??P5 as m_schnei, bmotik_
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P5 as m_schnei, bmotik_ ←
17:02:38 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
17:02:48 <Zakim> -??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P3 ←
17:02:55 <alanr> zakim, aabb is pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aabb is pfps ←
17:02:55 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
17:03:02 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
17:03:03 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:03:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see MartinD (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, bcuencagrau (muted), Ivan, Rinke, MarkusK, m_schnei (muted), pfps, JeffP, Sandro, ??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MartinD (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, bcuencagrau (muted), Ivan, Rinke, MarkusK, m_schnei (muted), pfps, JeffP, Sandro, ??P3 ←
17:03:05 <bmotik_> Zakim, ??P3 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P3 is me ←
17:03:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see msmith, bmotik_, baojie, uli, m_schnei, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, ivan, alanr, bmotik, MartinD, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, Rinke, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see msmith, bmotik_, baojie, uli, m_schnei, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, ivan, alanr, bmotik, MartinD, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, Rinke, sandro, trackbot ←
17:03:09 <Zakim> +bmotik_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik_; got it ←
17:03:10 <bmotik_> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:03:11 <Zakim> bmotik_ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik_ should now be muted ←
17:03:13 <Zakim> +baojie
Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie ←
17:03:17 <bmotik_> Zakim, bmotik_ is bmotik
Boris Motik: Zakim, bmotik_ is bmotik ←
17:03:17 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
17:03:23 <Zakim> +msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith ←
17:03:30 <Rinke> zakim, who is talking?
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, who is talking? ←
17:03:34 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
17:03:40 <Zakim> Rinke, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rinke (35%), pfps (20%), baojie (8%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rinke (35%), pfps (20%), baojie (8%) ←
17:03:42 <uli> zakim, ??P15 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
17:03:42 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
17:03:46 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:03:46 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:04:03 <uli> did you hear whistling?
Uli Sattler: did you hear whistling? ←
17:04:14 <alanr> just kidding :)
Alan Ruttenberg: just kidding :) ←
17:04:20 <Rinke> ;)
Rinke Hoekstra: ;) ←
17:04:24 <Rinke> zakim, mute me
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, mute me ←
17:04:24 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke should now be muted ←
17:04:32 <alanr> zakim, roll call
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, roll call ←
17:04:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'roll call', alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'roll call', alanr ←
17:04:36 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:04:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see MartinD (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, bcuencagrau (muted), Ivan, Rinke (muted), MarkusK, m_schnei (muted), pfps, JeffP, Sandro, bmotik (muted), baojie, msmith, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MartinD (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, bcuencagrau (muted), Ivan, Rinke (muted), MarkusK, m_schnei (muted), pfps, JeffP, Sandro, bmotik (muted), baojie, msmith, uli ←
17:04:40 <Zakim> ... (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted) ←
17:04:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see msmith, bmotik, baojie, uli, m_schnei, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, ivan, alanr, MartinD, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, Rinke, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see msmith, bmotik, baojie, uli, m_schnei, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, ivan, alanr, MartinD, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, Rinke, sandro, trackbot ←
17:04:42 <Zakim> +Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe ←
17:05:11 <Zhe> zakim, mute me
17:05:11 <Zakim> Zhe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe should now be muted ←
17:05:15 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
17:05:23 <JeffP> Topic: Admin
17:05:27 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (44%), pfps (30%), JeffP (20%), Sandro (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (44%), pfps (30%), JeffP (20%), Sandro (9%) ←
17:05:55 <Zhe> could not hear much
17:06:05 <Rinke> yes
Rinke Hoekstra: yes ←
17:06:26 <Rinke> they look ok to me
Rinke Hoekstra: they look ok to me ←
17:06:27 <JeffP> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (10 September)
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (10 September) ←
17:06:33 <ivan> zakim, who is talking?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is talking? ←
17:06:41 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:06:43 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:06:44 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (70%), pfps (39%), Sandro (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (70%), pfps (39%), Sandro (4%) ←
17:06:46 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:06:47 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
17:06:53 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:07:04 <JeffP> RESOLVED: Previous Minutes (10 September) accepted
RESOLVED: Previous Minutes (10 September) accepted ←
17:07:16 <JeffP> SubTopic: Action items status
17:07:39 <sandro> zakim, who is muted?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is muted? ←
17:07:39 <Zakim> I see MartinD, bcuencagrau, Rinke, m_schnei, bmotik, uli, Zhe muted
Zakim IRC Bot: I see MartinD, bcuencagrau, Rinke, m_schnei, bmotik, uli, Zhe muted ←
17:07:54 <JeffP> SubTopic: Due and overdue Actions
17:08:06 <sandro> (it looks like Peter's muting didn't work.)
Sandro Hawke: (it looks like Peter's muting didn't work.) ←
17:08:07 <JeffP> SubSubTopic: Action 172 Develop list of possible conflicts between XML Schema datatypes and OWL datatypes with valuespace reasoning / Achille Fokoue
17:08:16 <JeffP> Action 172 completed
ACTION-172 completed ←
17:08:16 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 172
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 172 ←
17:08:42 <JeffP> Action 189 Review RDF Mapping / Alan Ruttenberg completed
ACTION-189 Review RDF Mapping / Alan Ruttenberg completed ←
17:08:42 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 189
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 189 ←
17:09:18 <JeffP> Action 202?
17:09:18 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, bad ACTION syntax ←
17:09:23 <JeffP> SubTopic: Reviewing
17:09:33 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is me
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is me ←
17:09:33 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
17:09:44 <bcuencagrau> Maybe I will go
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Maybe I will go ←
17:09:47 <Achille> +q
Achille Fokoue: +q ←
17:09:53 <JeffP> SubTopic: Fourth Face-to-Face (F2F) Meeting
17:10:01 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:10:04 <alanr> ack Achille
Alan Ruttenberg: ack Achille ←
17:10:12 <JeffP> alanr: anyone in the telecon who will come but not signed up yet
Alan Ruttenberg: anyone in the telecon who will come but not signed up yet ←
17:10:29 <JeffP> Achille: will be able to come
Achille Fokoue: will be able to come ←
17:10:32 <uli> aaah
Uli Sattler: aaah ←
17:11:05 <JeffP> Topic: Proposal to publish Public Working Drafts (15 minutes)
17:11:12 <Achille> Achille: I am not sure yet if I will come, I will know for sure by the end of this week. I hope I could make it
Achille Fokoue: I am not sure yet if I will come, I will know for sure by the end of this week. I hope I could make it [ Scribe Assist by Achille Fokoue ] ←
17:11:14 <uli> too much noise!
Uli Sattler: too much noise! ←
17:11:18 <sandro> zakim, mute pfps
Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute pfps ←
17:11:18 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
17:12:06 <JeffP> alanr: chairs are considering the editor lists for the drafts
Alan Ruttenberg: chairs are considering the editor lists for the drafts ←
17:12:24 <JeffP> ... will be contacting people during the week
... will be contacting people during the week ←
17:13:04 <JeffP> ... now we need to decide whether to publish the drafts now or later?
... now we need to decide whether to publish the drafts now or later? ←
17:13:33 <sandro> alan: may be minor editorial changes before publication, editors/contributors will change before pub, title may change....
Alan Ruttenberg: may be minor editorial changes before publication, editors/contributors will change before pub, title may change.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:13:47 <JeffP> sandro: will we decide the title after the re-publish?
Sandro Hawke: will we decide the title after the re-publish? ←
17:14:10 <JeffP> q+
q+ ←
17:14:20 <alanr> ack JeffP
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeffP ←
17:14:59 <ivan> q=
Ivan Herman: q= ←
17:15:02 <ivan> Q+
Ivan Herman: Q+ ←
17:15:04 <JeffP> JeffP: do we include Profiles?
Jeff Pan: do we include Profiles? ←
17:15:08 <JeffP> alanr: no
Alan Ruttenberg: no ←
17:15:10 <alanr> ack Ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack Ivan ←
17:15:25 <uli> echo...
Uli Sattler: echo... ←
17:15:28 <JeffP> Ivan: is that a Last Call working draft?
Ivan Herman: is that a Last Call working draft? ←
17:15:30 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish Syntax, DL Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics, Mapping-to-RDF, and XML-Serialization soon (eg Sept 24) (probably with Profiles), -- subject to minor editorial changes, changes to the editors/contribs/authors information, and the titles. These are ordinary WDs (and FPWD for RDF-Based Semantics).
PROPOSED: Publish Syntax, DL Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics, Mapping-to-RDF, and XML-Serialization soon (eg Sept 24) (probably with Profiles), -- subject to minor editorial changes, changes to the editors/contribs/authors information, and the titles. These are ordinary WDs (and FPWD for RDF-Based Semantics). ←
17:16:02 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
17:16:08 <uli> too many echos
Uli Sattler: too many echos ←
17:16:09 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:16:13 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (51%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (51%) ←
17:16:16 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:16:18 <uli> can hear, but not understand
Uli Sattler: can hear, but not understand ←
17:16:20 <sandro> zakim, mute ivan
Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute ivan ←
17:16:20 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
17:16:33 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:16:34 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:16:35 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:16:36 <msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
17:16:36 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:16:37 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:16:38 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
17:16:38 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:16:38 <Zhe> +1
17:16:39 <baojie> =1
17:16:42 <baojie> +1
17:16:43 <sandro> +1 (W3C)
Sandro Hawke: +1 (W3C) ←
17:16:49 <Zhe> +1 (ORACLE)
17:16:49 <msmith> +1 (C&P)
Mike Smith: +1 (C&P) ←
17:16:49 <Achille> +1 (IBM)
Achille Fokoue: +1 (IBM) ←
17:16:49 <Rinke> +1 (UvA)
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 (UvA) ←
17:16:50 <MarkusK> +1 (FZI)
Markus Krötzsch: +1 (FZI) ←
17:16:52 <bmotik> +1 (Oxford)
Boris Motik: +1 (Oxford) ←
17:16:53 <uli> +1 (Manchester)
Uli Sattler: +1 (Manchester) ←
17:16:54 <bcuencagrau> +1 (Oxford)
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1 (Oxford) ←
17:16:58 <alanr> +1 (science commons)
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 (science commons) ←
17:17:00 <baojie> +1 (RPI)
17:17:10 <JeffP> +1 (Aberdeen)
+1 (Aberdeen) ←
17:17:24 <alanr> pfps: +1 (Alcatel-Lucent)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 (Alcatel-Lucent) [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
17:17:42 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish Syntax, DL Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics, Mapping-to-RDF, and XML-Serialization soon (eg Sept 24) (probably with Profiles), -- subject to minor editorial changes, changes to the editors/contribs/authors information, and the titles. These are ordinary WDs (and FPWD for RDF-Based Semantics).
RESOLVED: Publish Syntax, DL Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics, Mapping-to-RDF, and XML-Serialization soon (eg Sept 24) (probably with Profiles), -- subject to minor editorial changes, changes to the editors/contribs/authors information, and the titles. These are ordinary WDs (and FPWD for RDF-Based Semantics). ←
17:18:10 <JeffP> Topic: Publish soon?
17:19:26 <JeffP> sandro: we should discuss the titles again
Sandro Hawke: we should discuss the titles again ←
17:19:29 <m_schnei> I think we should not say "model-theoretic", it's a very technical aspect
Michael Schneider: I think we should not say "model-theoretic", it's a very technical aspect ←
17:19:47 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0177.html
Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0177.html ←
17:20:08 <sandro> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0178.html reply with OWL 1 versions
Sandro Hawke: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0178.html reply with OWL 1 versions ←
17:20:44 <alanr> Direct Model-Theoretic Semantics
Alan Ruttenberg: Direct Model-Theoretic Semantics ←
17:20:49 <alanr> RDF-Compatible Model-Theoretic Semantics
Alan Ruttenberg: RDF-Compatible Model-Theoretic Semantics ←
17:21:00 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:21:03 <JeffP> alanr: could you explain it a bit sandro?
Alan Ruttenberg: could you explain it a bit sandro? ←
17:21:04 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
17:21:04 <Zakim> Ivan was already muted, ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan was already muted, ivan ←
17:21:05 <m_schnei> I never understood this "direct" MT semantics
Michael Schneider: I never understood this "direct" MT semantics ←
17:21:30 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
17:21:30 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
17:21:31 <sandro> zak ivan
Sandro Hawke: zak ivan ←
17:21:36 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:21:40 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:21:41 <JeffP> sandro: ...
Sandro Hawke: ... ←
17:22:01 <m_schnei> +1 to "DL-Semantics"
Michael Schneider: +1 to "DL-Semantics" ←
17:22:02 <JeffP> ivan: Model-Theoretic Semantics might be too complext
Ivan Herman: Model-Theoretic Semantics might be too complext ←
17:22:10 <JeffP> ... while DL semantics seems to be fine
... while DL semantics seems to be fine ←
17:22:24 <sandro> sandro: "model-theoretic" is noise, "RDF-Compatible" is incorrect, "Direct" is kind of meaningless.
Sandro Hawke: "model-theoretic" is noise, "RDF-Compatible" is incorrect, "Direct" is kind of meaningless. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:22:26 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
17:22:26 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
17:22:28 <JeffP> ... RDF-based semantics also ok
... RDF-based semantics also ok ←
17:22:42 <uli> I am with Sandro
Uli Sattler: I am with Sandro ←
17:22:50 <Rinke> I am with Ivan
Rinke Hoekstra: I am with Ivan ←
17:22:54 <ivan> DL Semantics, RDF Based Semantics
Ivan Herman: DL Semantics, RDF Based Semantics ←
17:22:55 <alanr> Semantics of OWL DL, EL, and QL
Alan Ruttenberg: Semantics of OWL DL, EL, and QL ←
17:22:55 <alanr> Semantics of OWL Full and RL
Alan Ruttenberg: Semantics of OWL Full and RL ←
17:23:06 <m_schnei> +1 to ivan's proposal
Michael Schneider: +1 to ivan's proposal ←
17:23:11 <JeffP> Why don't we have one single Semantic Document???
Why don't we have one single Semantic Document??? ←
17:23:30 <uli> I quite like Alan's suggestion
Uli Sattler: I quite like Alan's suggestion ←
17:23:31 <sandro> Primary Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics
Sandro Hawke: Primary Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:23:47 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:23:52 <m_schnei> +1 to separate
Michael Schneider: +1 to separate ←
17:23:55 <Zhe> ivan, could you type out your proposal?
Zhe Wu: ivan, could you type out your proposal? ←
17:23:56 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
17:23:56 <JeffP> alanr: having a single semantics document is also an option
Alan Ruttenberg: having a single semantics document is also an option ←
17:23:56 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:24:06 <baojie> +q
17:24:15 <m_schnei> what is a "primary" semantics?
Michael Schneider: what is a "primary" semantics? ←
17:24:19 <JeffP> ... althought some of the editors wanted to make it separate
... althought some of the editors wanted to make it separate ←
17:24:48 <JeffP> ivan: having two documents should be ok
Ivan Herman: having two documents should be ok ←
17:24:58 <alanr> ack baojie
Alan Ruttenberg: ack baojie ←
17:25:01 <uli> Ivan, the DL semantics could equally be called "Standard FOL semantics"
Uli Sattler: Ivan, the DL semantics could equally be called "Standard FOL semantics" ←
17:25:11 <uli> ...rather than "DL semantics"
Uli Sattler: ...rather than "DL semantics" ←
17:25:29 <JeffP> Jie: a question for Michael -
Jie Bao: a question for Michael - ←
17:25:36 <sandro> uli, are you saying it's not a Description Logic?
Sandro Hawke: uli, are you saying it's not a Description Logic? ←
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17:25:48 <ivan> zakim, mute me
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17:25:54 <uli> sandro, the semantics isn't DL specific
Uli Sattler: sandro, the semantics isn't DL specific ←
17:26:18 <JeffP> ... do the two semantics lead to the same results?
... do the two semantics lead to the same results? ←
17:26:24 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:26:28 <sandro> q+ to explain Primary
Sandro Hawke: q+ to explain Primary ←
17:26:54 <alanr> ack sandro
Alan Ruttenberg: ack sandro ←
17:26:54 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to explain Primary
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17:26:55 <sandro> ack sandro
Sandro Hawke: ack sandro ←
17:26:57 <JeffP> m_schnei: ...
Michael Schneider: ... ←
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17:27:28 <JeffP> sandro: when I talked to Ian, I suggested Primary
Sandro Hawke: when I talked to Ian, I suggested Primary ←
17:27:49 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:27:50 <JeffP> ... Ian said the RDF one is really a reimplementation of the FOL one
... Ian said the RDF one is really a reimplementation of the FOL one ←
17:27:54 <m_schnei> actually, the DL semantics guided the /development/ of the Full Semantics
Michael Schneider: actually, the DL semantics guided the /development/ of the Full Semantics ←
17:27:55 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:27:55 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
17:27:59 <JeffP> ... I agree with Ian on that
... I agree with Ian on that ←
17:28:28 <JeffP> ivan: I don't like that, ...
Ivan Herman: I don't like that, ... ←
17:28:35 <sandro> In English, "Primary" does not mean better.
Sandro Hawke: In English, "Primary" does not mean better. ←
17:28:47 <Rinke> q+
Rinke Hoekstra: q+ ←
17:28:48 <sandro> It just mean "first". Which often means it's not as good.
Sandro Hawke: It just mean "first". Which often means it's not as good. ←
17:28:57 <sandro> ack alanr
Sandro Hawke: ack alanr ←
17:29:06 <alanr> ack Rinke
Alan Ruttenberg: ack Rinke ←
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17:29:10 <JeffP> alanr: if the two semantics disagree, we need to decide what to do
Alan Ruttenberg: if the two semantics disagree, we need to decide what to do ←
17:29:46 <bcuencagrau> +q
17:29:47 <JeffP> Rinke: why not keep things as they are
Rinke Hoekstra: why not keep things as they are ←
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17:30:06 <sandro> Rinke: "Semantics" and "RDF-Based Semantics"
Rinke Hoekstra: "Semantics" and "RDF-Based Semantics" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
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17:30:15 <alanr> ack bcuencagrau
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bcuencagrau ←
17:30:17 <m_schnei> I think the stress on "model-theoretic" was that there were two kinds of semantics in DAML-OIL
Michael Schneider: I think the stress on "model-theoretic" was that there were two kinds of semantics in DAML-OIL ←
17:30:32 <sandro> Compromise position --- "Direct Semantics" and "RDF-Based Semantics"
Sandro Hawke: Compromise position --- "Direct Semantics" and "RDF-Based Semantics" ←
17:30:32 <JeffP> bcuencagrau: what is wrong with the OWL 1.0 way
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: what is wrong with the OWL 1.0 way ←
17:30:42 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:30:56 <ivan> +1 to sandro
Ivan Herman: +1 to sandro ←
17:30:57 <JeffP> sandro: how about Direct and RDF-based
Sandro Hawke: how about Direct and RDF-based ←
17:30:58 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
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17:31:03 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
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17:31:35 <JeffP> alanr: shrawpoll ...
Alan Ruttenberg: shrawpoll ... ←
17:31:56 <alanr> Model-Theoretic Semantics
Alan Ruttenberg: Model-Theoretic Semantics ←
17:31:56 <alanr> RDF-Based Semantics
Alan Ruttenberg: RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:31:58 <alanr> 1
Alan Ruttenberg: 1 ←
17:32:01 <alanr> 2
Alan Ruttenberg: 2 ←
17:32:07 <alanr> Semantics of OWL DL, EL, and QL
Alan Ruttenberg: Semantics of OWL DL, EL, and QL ←
17:32:07 <alanr> Semantics of OWL Full and RL
Alan Ruttenberg: Semantics of OWL Full and RL ←
17:32:11 <alanr> 2)
Alan Ruttenberg: 2) ←
17:32:20 <ivan> s/2)/3)/
Ivan Herman: s/2)/3)/ ←
17:32:21 <alanr> First Order Semantics
Alan Ruttenberg: First Order Semantics ←
17:32:26 <alanr> Primary Semantics
Alan Ruttenberg: Primary Semantics ←
17:32:30 <alanr> Direct Semantics
Alan Ruttenberg: Direct Semantics ←
17:33:16 <msmith> rinke's suggestion was "semantics" and "rdf semantics", correct? i.e., no qualifier at all for the DL semantics
Mike Smith: rinke's suggestion was "semantics" and "rdf semantics", correct? i.e., no qualifier at all for the DL semantics ←
17:33:22 <Rinke> yes
Rinke Hoekstra: yes ←
17:33:30 <alanr> Direct Model-Theoretic Semantics
Alan Ruttenberg: Direct Model-Theoretic Semantics ←
17:33:30 <alanr> * RDF-Compatible Model-Theoretic Semantics
Alan Ruttenberg: * RDF-Compatible Model-Theoretic Semantics ←
17:33:36 <bcuencagrau> yes
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: yes ←
17:33:38 <sandro> 1 - Model-Theoretic Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics
Sandro Hawke: 1 - Model-Theoretic Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:33:38 <sandro> 2 - Semantics of OWL DL, EL, and QL ; Semantics of OWL Full and RL
Sandro Hawke: 2 - Semantics of OWL DL, EL, and QL ; Semantics of OWL Full and RL ←
17:33:38 <sandro> 3 - First Order Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics
Sandro Hawke: 3 - First Order Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:33:38 <sandro> 4 - Primary Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics
Sandro Hawke: 4 - Primary Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:33:38 <sandro> 5 - Direct Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics
Sandro Hawke: 5 - Direct Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:33:39 <sandro> 6 - Direct Model-Theoretic Semantics; RDF-Compatible Model-Theoretic Semantics
Sandro Hawke: 6 - Direct Model-Theoretic Semantics; RDF-Compatible Model-Theoretic Semantics ←
17:33:40 <baojie> +1 to Rinke's proposal
Jie Bao: +1 to Rinke's proposal ←
17:33:46 <m_schnei> Is "DL Semantics" out ?
Michael Schneider: Is "DL Semantics" out ? ←
17:33:53 <Rinke> 7- Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics
Rinke Hoekstra: 7- Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:34:05 <sandro> 7 - DL Semantics; RDF-Based Semantics
Sandro Hawke: 7 - DL Semantics; RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:34:11 <alanr> + the ones you would like
Alan Ruttenberg: + the ones you would like ←
17:34:18 <alanr> + likes - wonts
Alan Ruttenberg: + likes - wonts ←
17:34:19 <Rinke> sure
Rinke Hoekstra: sure ←
17:34:19 <sandro> 8 - Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics
Sandro Hawke: 8 - Semantics, RDF-Based Semantics ←
17:34:50 <bcuencagrau> +5,6 -2,3,4
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +5,6 -2,3,4 ←
17:35:00 <baojie> +8
17:35:05 <Achille> +1 +6 -4
Achille Fokoue: +1 +6 -4 ←
17:35:13 <sandro> I like 2, 4, 5; dislike 1, 6, 8; Favorite: 5
Sandro Hawke: I like 2, 4, 5; dislike 1, 6, 8; Favorite: 5 ←
17:35:13 <m_schnei> +7, -3,4,5
Michael Schneider: +7, -3,4,5 ←
17:35:33 <ivan> Like 5, 7,; do not like 4, 2; favourite 5
Ivan Herman: Like 5, 7,; do not like 4, 2; favourite 5 ←
17:35:33 <JeffP> JeffP: +6
17:35:33 <msmith> +(8,7) -(2,3)
Mike Smith: +(8,7) -(2,3) ←
17:35:36 <Zhe> + 6 8, -4 5
17:35:36 <Rinke> + 8,5 - 1,4,6
Rinke Hoekstra: + 8,5 - 1,4,6 ←
17:35:37 <MartinD> +3,8 -4,5,6
Martin Dzbor: +3,8 -4,5,6 ←
17:35:45 <bmotik> + to 1, 3, 4, 5, 6; - to 2, 7, 8
Boris Motik: + to 1, 3, 4, 5, 6; - to 2, 7, 8 ←
17:36:23 <JeffP> alanr: we should review this and discuss this in mailing list, so that we will have a vote next week
Alan Ruttenberg: we should review this and discuss this in mailing list, so that we will have a vote next week ←
17:36:32 <m_schnei> OWL Full is first order, too, even if it doesn't look this way
Michael Schneider: OWL Full is first order, too, even if it doesn't look this way ←
17:36:37 <JeffP> Topic: Status reports: Other documents
17:36:39 <uli> sorry, I got thrown out - i will vote again
Uli Sattler: sorry, I got thrown out - i will vote again ←
17:37:43 <JeffP> SubTopic: Conformance and Test Cases
17:38:12 <JeffP> SubTopic: Profiles
17:38:29 <JeffP> alanr: Profiles seems to be in a good shape
Alan Ruttenberg: Profiles seems to be in a good shape ←
17:38:30 <msmith> q+
Mike Smith: q+ ←
17:38:42 <alanr> ack msmith
Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←
17:39:17 <JeffP> msmith: ...
Mike Smith: ... ←
17:39:34 <JeffP> alanr: could you draft something and add to the test case doc?
Alan Ruttenberg: could you draft something and add to the test case doc? ←
17:39:34 <ivan> +1 to proposal
Ivan Herman: +1 to proposal ←
17:39:39 <JeffP> msmith: ok
Mike Smith: ok ←
17:39:40 <msmith> action: msmith to add an editor's note to test and conformance document re: disposition of test cases
ACTION: msmith to add an editor's note to test and conformance document re: disposition of test cases ←
17:39:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - msmith
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17:39:59 <msmith> action: smith to add an editor's note to test and conformance document re: disposition of test cases
ACTION: smith to add an editor's note to test and conformance document re: disposition of test cases ←
17:39:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Add an editor's note to test and conformance document re: disposition of test cases [on Michael Smith - due 2008-09-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-208 - Add an editor's note to test and conformance document re: disposition of test cases [on Michael Smith - due 2008-09-24]. ←
17:40:20 <msmith> +1000 on profiles
Mike Smith: +1000 on profiles ←
17:40:25 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
17:40:40 <Rinke> +1 on +1000 on profiles
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 on +1000 on profiles ←
17:40:50 <ivan> :-) :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) :-) ←
17:40:52 <uli> + 2 3 4 5 8; - 6 7
Uli Sattler: + 2 3 4 5 8; - 6 7 ←
17:41:19 <JeffP> alanr: assuming the reviewers say yes, shall we vote next week?
Alan Ruttenberg: assuming the reviewers say yes, shall we vote next week? ←
17:41:34 <JeffP> ... some expressed that is a good idea
... some expressed that is a good idea ←
17:42:59 <JeffP> alanr: JeffP, could you submit your review by this week?
Alan Ruttenberg: JeffP, could you submit your review by this week? ←
17:43:11 <JeffP> JeffP: will try to submit by next telecon
Jeff Pan: will try to submit by next telecon ←
17:43:14 <m_schnei> me
Michael Schneider: me ←
17:43:19 <bcuencagrau> I can
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: I can ←
17:43:31 <m_schnei> I had already said this in the past
Michael Schneider: I had already said this in the past ←
17:43:32 <JeffP> alanr: any one could review conformance?
Alan Ruttenberg: any one could review conformance? ←
17:43:35 <msmith> I will as well
Mike Smith: I will as well ←
17:43:51 <JeffP> ... it is a short doc
... it is a short doc ←
17:44:14 <bcuencagrau> Sure
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Sure ←
17:44:19 <JeffP> ... reviewers: m_schnei, bcuencagra, msmith
... reviewers: m_schnei, bcuencagra, msmith ←
17:44:22 <m_schnei> yes
Michael Schneider: yes ←
17:44:24 <msmith> action: smith to review conformance, due sept-21
ACTION: smith to review conformance, due sept-21 ←
17:44:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Review conformance, due sept-21 [on Michael Smith - due 2008-09-24].
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17:45:02 <m_schnei> ACTION: m_schnei to review conformance, due sept-21
ACTION: m_schnei to review conformance, due sept-21 ←
17:45:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Review conformance, due sept-21 [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-09-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-210 - Review conformance, due sept-21 [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-09-24]. ←
17:45:57 <JeffP> SubTopic: Quick Reference Guide
17:46:18 <JeffP> Jie: folks are not sure about Manchester syntax
Jie Bao: folks are not sure about Manchester syntax ←
17:46:32 <JeffP> ... since it does not cover OWL Full ontologies
... since it does not cover OWL Full ontologies ←
17:46:52 <msmith> jie, the functional syntax does not support all owl full ontologies
Mike Smith: jie, the functional syntax does not support all owl full ontologies ←
17:46:57 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:47:00 <JeffP> ... and it is difference from the one we have (?) right now
... and it is difference from the one we have (?) right now ←
17:47:02 <msmith> nor does owlxml
Mike Smith: nor does owlxml ←
17:47:11 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:47:11 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
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17:47:48 <JeffP> ... the syntax we have right now is the RDF syntax
... the syntax we have right now is the RDF syntax ←
17:48:12 <m_schnei> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
17:48:16 <JeffP> alanr: what is the status of the RDF syntax part right now?
Alan Ruttenberg: what is the status of the RDF syntax part right now? ←
17:48:17 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
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17:48:17 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
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17:48:35 <JeffP> Jie: the Profile part can be done in two weeks
Jie Bao: the Profile part can be done in two weeks ←
17:48:36 <m_schnei> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
17:48:37 <alanr> ack m_schnei
Alan Ruttenberg: ack m_schnei ←
17:48:38 <JeffP> q?
q? ←
17:48:39 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
17:48:45 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
17:48:45 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
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17:48:47 <alanr> ack uli
Alan Ruttenberg: ack uli ←
17:49:20 <JeffP> uli: will we have different Quick Guide for different people?
Uli Sattler: will we have different Quick Guide for different people? ←
17:50:05 <m_schnei> every syntax which supports property assertions and bNodes in all positions perfectly supports (extended) RDF :)
Michael Schneider: every syntax which supports property assertions and bNodes in all positions perfectly supports (extended) RDF :) ←
17:50:24 <JeffP> uli: Jie, could you illustrate the differences
Uli Sattler: Jie, could you illustrate the differences ←
17:50:33 <JeffP> Jie: ...
17:50:41 <JeffP> uli: any other differences?
Uli Sattler: any other differences? ←
17:51:05 <JeffP> Jie: again, it cannot express OWL Full ontologies
Jie Bao: again, it cannot express OWL Full ontologies ←
17:52:07 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
17:52:07 <Zakim> bcuencagrau was already muted, bcuencagrau
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17:52:20 <JeffP> uli: this is only a quick reference, some of the detailed restrictions could be ignored in the reference
Uli Sattler: this is only a quick reference, some of the detailed restrictions could be ignored in the reference ←
17:52:21 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:52:30 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
17:52:31 <JeffP> uli: ...
Uli Sattler: ... ←
17:52:32 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
17:52:44 <baojie> Yes, we need some M syntax guru on the M version
Jie Bao: Yes, we need some M syntax guru on the M version ←
17:53:36 <JeffP> ivan: on the RDF side, it is basically syntax independent
Ivan Herman: on the RDF side, it is basically syntax independent ←
17:53:47 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:53:47 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
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17:53:48 <JeffP> ... I don't know which one more widely used
... I don't know which one more widely used ←
17:54:23 <JeffP> alanr: agree with uli that let the editors finish the RDF syntax part first
Alan Ruttenberg: agree with uli that let the editors finish the RDF syntax part first ←
17:54:32 <JeffP> then discuss further
then discuss further ←
17:54:43 <JeffP> SubTopic: Requirements
17:54:55 <JeffP> alanr: anyone can comment on this?
Alan Ruttenberg: anyone can comment on this? ←
17:55:15 <JeffP> Topic: Issues (50 minutes) - Address as many as possible during allocated time
17:55:27 <JeffP> SubTopic: Issue 140 (Named Property Chains) per Ian's email
17:55:38 <JeffP> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0161.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0161.html ←
17:56:36 <sandro> PROPOSED: Resolve Issue-140 as postponed (as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0161.html)
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-140 as postponed (as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0161.html) ←
17:56:39 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:56:41 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:56:44 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:56:44 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:56:48 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:56:48 <Zhe> +1
17:56:48 <JeffP> +1
+1 ←
17:56:49 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:56:50 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
17:56:52 <baojie> +1
17:56:55 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:56:55 <msmith> 1
Mike Smith: 1 ←
17:57:10 <alanr> pfps: +1
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
17:57:16 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:57:22 <sandro> RESOLVED: Resolve Issue-140 as postponed (as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0161.html)
RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-140 as postponed (as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0161.html) ←
17:57:35 <JeffP> SubTopic: Issue 71 (datarange language range) per Boris's email
17:57:43 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:57:44 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html ←
17:57:45 <JeffP> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html ←
17:58:11 <m_schnei> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
17:58:13 <sandro> PROPOSED: Close issue-71 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0161.html
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-71 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0161.html ←
17:58:29 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:58:30 <bmotik> We can incorporate the changes before the draft -- I'll do it over the weekend
Boris Motik: We can incorporate the changes before the draft -- I'll do it over the weekend ←
17:58:31 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:58:34 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:58:36 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:58:37 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
17:58:41 <Rinke> that's the wrong link
Rinke Hoekstra: that's the wrong link ←
17:58:43 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:58:44 <baojie> +1
17:58:44 <msmith> +1
Mike Smith: +1 ←
17:58:45 <Zhe> +1
17:58:51 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html ←
17:59:03 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:59:07 <sandro> PROPOSED: Close issue-71 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-71 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html ←
17:59:08 <JeffP> +1
+1 ←
17:59:12 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:59:19 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
17:59:26 <sandro> +0 (not sure I get it)
Sandro Hawke: +0 (not sure I get it) ←
17:59:31 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:59:36 <alanr> pfps: +1
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
17:59:42 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close issue-71 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-71 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Sep/0053.html ←
17:59:43 <bmotik> ACTION: bmotik2 to Implement resolution of ISSUE-71 (before publishing the documents)
ACTION: bmotik2 to Implement resolution of ISSUE-71 (before publishing the documents) ←
17:59:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-212 - Implement resolution of ISSUE-71 (before publishing the documents) [on Boris Motik - due 2008-09-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-212 - Implement resolution of ISSUE-71 (before publishing the documents) [on Boris Motik - due 2008-09-24]. ←
17:59:53 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:00:05 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:00:26 <m_schnei> ACTION: on m_schnei to implement resolution of ISSUE-71 in RDF Based Semantics (before publishing the documents)
ACTION: on m_schnei to implement resolution of ISSUE-71 in RDF Based Semantics (before publishing the documents) ←
18:00:26 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - on ←
18:00:27 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:00:34 <m_schnei> ACTION: m_schnei to implement resolution of ISSUE-71 in RDF Based Semantics (before publishing the documents)
ACTION: m_schnei to implement resolution of ISSUE-71 in RDF Based Semantics (before publishing the documents) ←
18:00:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-213 - Implement resolution of ISSUE-71 in RDF Based Semantics (before publishing the documents) [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-09-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-213 - Implement resolution of ISSUE-71 in RDF Based Semantics (before publishing the documents) [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-09-24]. ←
18:00:37 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:00:37 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:00:45 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
18:00:52 <JeffP> ivan: I prefer having the language patterns in RDF spec
Ivan Herman: I prefer having the language patterns in RDF spec ←
18:01:31 <JeffP> bmotik: we could progress with datatypes
Boris Motik: we could progress with datatypes ←
18:01:55 <m_schnei> I will at least /repeat/ the facet in the RDF Based Semantics
Michael Schneider: I will at least /repeat/ the facet in the RDF Based Semantics ←
18:01:58 <JeffP> ... I agree with you on having a separate doc and copy / paste later on
... I agree with you on having a separate doc and copy / paste later on ←
18:02:18 <JeffP> ivan: maybe you could add a editorial note
Ivan Herman: maybe you could add a editorial note ←
18:02:31 <JeffP> bmotik: ok
Boris Motik: ok ←
18:02:37 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:02:40 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
18:03:07 <JeffP> ivan: the point is the separate doc could be reusable for other purposes
Ivan Herman: the point is the separate doc could be reusable for other purposes ←
18:03:31 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:03:43 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:03:43 <Zakim> m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei ←
18:03:44 <JeffP> alanr: the choices are still open
Alan Ruttenberg: the choices are still open ←
18:03:44 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:03:48 <alanr> ack m_schnei
Alan Ruttenberg: ack m_schnei ←
18:04:35 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:04:39 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:04:39 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
18:04:39 <sandro> zakim, mute me
Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute me ←
18:04:43 <JeffP> m_schnei: seems that I will need to do something on the RDF semantics doc too
Michael Schneider: seems that I will need to do something on the RDF semantics doc too ←
18:04:44 <bmotik> I just added this sentence to rdf:text: "It is currently not clear whether this document will contain a definition of facets on rdf:text."
Boris Motik: I just added this sentence to rdf:text: "It is currently not clear whether this document will contain a definition of facets on rdf:text." ←
18:05:09 <bmotik> I can add a note to the Syntax document as well.
Boris Motik: I can add a note to the Syntax document as well. ←
18:05:12 <JeffP> ivan: I am fine with the note
Ivan Herman: I am fine with the note ←
18:05:38 <m_schnei> I will add the text to the RDF Based Semantics: "It is currently not clear whether the OWL DL Syntax will contain a definition of facets on rdf:text." :)
Michael Schneider: I will add the text to the RDF Based Semantics: "It is currently not clear whether the OWL DL Syntax will contain a definition of facets on rdf:text." :) ←
18:05:39 <JeffP> SubTopic: Issue 134 Metamodel for OWL 2
18:06:13 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:06:13 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:06:25 <JeffP> alanr: should we have metamodel in the rec or just leave it in a note
Alan Ruttenberg: should we have metamodel in the rec or just leave it in a note ←
18:06:41 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:06:49 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:06:49 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:06:50 <alanr> straw poll - worth doing work on the metamodel issue?
Alan Ruttenberg: straw poll - worth doing work on the metamodel issue? ←
18:06:57 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
18:07:06 <JeffP> bmotik: we already have metamodel in the spec
Boris Motik: we already have metamodel in the spec ←
18:07:21 <JeffP> ... so I don't understand the quesetion
... so I don't understand the quesetion ←
18:07:42 <uli> would it be more accessible, for example for visually impaired people?
Uli Sattler: would it be more accessible, for example for visually impaired people? ←
18:08:01 <JeffP> bmotik: I doubt it
Boris Motik: I doubt it ←
18:08:10 <JeffP> ... it is in an XML file
... it is in an XML file ←
18:08:18 <uli> thanks!
Uli Sattler: thanks! ←
18:08:38 <JeffP> bmotik: now it is normative
Boris Motik: now it is normative ←
18:08:42 <uli> apart from more work, would the XML have any impact?
Uli Sattler: apart from more work, would the XML have any impact? ←
18:09:40 <JeffP> ... will replace existing diagrams with ones from PeterH
... will replace existing diagrams with ones from PeterH ←
18:09:41 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:09:48 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:09:48 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
18:09:52 <alanr> ack uli
Alan Ruttenberg: ack uli ←
18:10:05 <JeffP> uli: would the XML have any impact?
Uli Sattler: would the XML have any impact? ←
18:10:13 <JeffP> ... or just additional work?
... or just additional work? ←
18:10:57 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:11:07 <JeffP> bmotik: people could generate metamodel transformation
Boris Motik: people could generate metamodel transformation ←
18:11:14 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:11:15 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:11:15 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:11:20 <JeffP> ... so as to make the spec more useful
... so as to make the spec more useful ←
18:11:41 <JeffP> ivan: how much work is needed?
Ivan Herman: how much work is needed? ←
18:12:30 <JeffP> bmotik: need to use some software to produce the diagram
Boris Motik: need to use some software to produce the diagram ←
18:13:24 <JeffP> ivan: there is still extra costs
Ivan Herman: there is still extra costs ←
18:13:44 <JeffP> ... I prefer making it a note
... I prefer making it a note ←
18:13:55 <JeffP> ... my innitial reaction only
... my innitial reaction only ←
18:14:13 <JeffP> bmotik: two possibilities: one as Appendix in some doc
Boris Motik: two possibilities: one as Appendix in some doc ←
18:14:58 <JeffP> ... one in a separate note
... one in a separate note ←
18:15:18 <JeffP> ... it is only a diagram
... it is only a diagram ←
18:15:33 <MarkusK> +1 to boris
Markus Krötzsch: +1 to boris ←
18:15:52 <JeffP> Achille: ok with the metamodel
Achille Fokoue: ok with the metamodel ←
18:16:03 <JeffP> ... but not sure note or rec
... but not sure note or rec ←
18:16:08 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
18:16:46 <uli> which 'mikel'?
Uli Sattler: which 'mikel'? ←
18:16:52 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
18:17:02 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:17:11 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:17:11 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
18:17:45 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:17:45 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
18:18:12 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
18:18:14 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:18:22 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:18:57 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
18:19:04 <JeffP> bmotik: we could ask PeterH to upload it to the wiki
Boris Motik: we could ask PeterH to upload it to the wiki ←
18:19:16 <JeffP> ... it is an XML doc
... it is an XML doc ←
18:19:16 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:19:32 <MarkusK> there is a whitelist of allowed formats, I assume .xml is not there by default
Markus Krötzsch: there is a whitelist of allowed formats, I assume .xml is not there by default ←
18:19:58 <JeffP> alanr: any open source software that we could use?
Alan Ruttenberg: any open source software that we could use? ←
18:20:13 <JeffP> bmotik:don't know, maybe
Boris Motik: don't know, maybe ←
18:20:22 <JeffP> alanr: could you find out?
Alan Ruttenberg: could you find out? ←
18:20:27 <JeffP> bmotik: sure
Boris Motik: sure ←
18:20:50 <JeffP> SubTopic: Issue 137 Table 4 in RDF mapping introduces incompatibility with OWL 1
18:20:51 <Zakim> -MartinD
Zakim IRC Bot: -MartinD ←
18:20:56 <MartinD> MartinD has left #OWL
Martin Dzbor: MartinD has left #OWL ←
18:22:39 <JeffP> alanr: it is not clear if RDF needs a import mechanism
Alan Ruttenberg: it is not clear if RDF needs a import mechanism ←
18:23:41 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:23:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alan_Ruttenberg, bcuencagrau (muted), Ivan, Rinke (muted), MarkusK, m_schnei (muted), pfps (muted), JeffP, bmotik, baojie, msmith, uli (muted), Zhe (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Alan_Ruttenberg, bcuencagrau (muted), Ivan, Rinke (muted), MarkusK, m_schnei (muted), pfps (muted), JeffP, bmotik, baojie, msmith, uli (muted), Zhe (muted), ←
18:23:41 <JeffP> ... anyone want to comment? Peter still online?
... anyone want to comment? Peter still online? ←
18:23:44 <Zakim> ... Achille, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Achille, Sandro ←
18:23:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, Achille, bmotik, Zhe, msmith, baojie, m_schnei, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, ivan, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, Rinke, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, Achille, bmotik, Zhe, msmith, baojie, m_schnei, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, ivan, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeffP, Rinke, sandro, trackbot ←
18:23:47 <Zakim> -Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke ←
18:24:51 <JeffP> ivan: it would be helpful if I understand the motivation better
Ivan Herman: it would be helpful if I understand the motivation better ←
18:25:32 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
18:26:39 <JeffP> alan explains the context
alan explains the context ←
18:27:52 <JeffP> ivan: we will look into it seriously
Ivan Herman: we will look into it seriously ←
18:28:20 <JeffP> ... we need more discussions
... we need more discussions ←
18:28:29 <JeffP> sandro: agree
Sandro Hawke: agree ←
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