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13:52:14 zakim, list
13:52:14 I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, IA_WAF()8:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active
13:52:15 also scheduled at this time is IA_XHTML2()9:00AM
13:52:35 zakim, this is XHTML2
13:52:35 Roland, I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be XHTML2".
13:52:56 zakim, this will be XHTML2
13:52:56 ok, Roland; I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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13:58:01 IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has now started
13:58:05 +Roland
13:59:45 + +1.763.767.aaaa
13:59:48 -Roland
13:59:49 +Roland
14:00:13 zakim, aaaa is ShaneM_
14:00:13 +ShaneM_; got it
14:01:00 +??P18
14:01:27 +Gregory_Rosmaita
14:01:38 zakim, +P18 is alessio
14:01:38 sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+P18'
14:01:51 yamx has joined #xhtml
14:01:57 Zakim, ??p18 is alessio
14:01:57 +alessio; got it
14:02:30 +??P19
14:02:41 Zakim, ?P19 is yamx
14:02:41 sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P19'
14:02:56 zakim, ??P19 is yamx
14:02:56 +yamx; got it
14:03:37 Regrets: Steven, Rich
14:05:49 scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
14:05:53 scribeNick: oedipus
14:06:12 markbirbeck has joined #xhtml
14:06:25 zakim, code?
14:06:25 the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
14:06:54 TOPIC: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1
14:07:00 RM: testing complete, yam?
14:07:03 + +020768aabb
14:07:10 zakim, i am aabb
14:07:10 +markbirbeck; got it
14:07:28 Yam: sent report to steven -- still need 2 independent implementations
14:07:57 Yam: opera offers browser for japanese implementations
14:08:02 RM: can you approach them?
14:08:12 Yam: no contacts
14:08:19 GJR: i can follow up with opera
14:08:46 s/opera/openwave
14:08:57 Yam: steven has mentioned openwave
14:09:19 Yam: produced internal version testing -- need to find out what they are doing
14:09:32 RM: guess it will have to wait until new year and steven's return
14:09:53 Yam: access input mode - requested to test by mike(tm)smith
14:10:13 RM: mike w3c staff, right?
14:10:32 Yam: staff contact for MWI
14:10:42 GJR: now staff contact for HTML WG
14:11:08 RM: find out where we are from steven's point of view -- don't know why didn't share report -- perhaps not around -- will discuss in the new year
14:11:17 TOPIC: Open Action Items
14:11:33 RM: processed Role comments last week -- any more shane?
14:11:42 shane: working through them
14:11:54 RM: modularization comment on IRIs
14:12:24 mark: thought someone took action on this -- think sent mail to RichS on this topic
14:12:57 RM: item in question from frank -- addressed?
14:13:41 mark: not yet addressed
14:13:50 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0017
14:14:00 WD xhtml-modularization -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0017
14:14:10 RM: underway on that one?
14:14:22 mark: never done anything on this -- let's ponder a moment, shall we?
14:14:30 [the group ponders]
14:15:19 RM: suggesting we plagerize schema spec for URIs?
14:15:28 mark: already do
14:16:16 RM: comment in 4.3 -- may be superfluous -- if remove note and just refer to schema should be ok
14:16:25 mark: ok -- wish i knew why note was added...
14:16:32 RM: people asked about IRIs in past
14:16:48 RM: shane, can you remove not?
14:16:54 shane: doing it right now -- done
14:17:18 RM: can close this particular item
14:17:54 shane: not in issue tracking system -- no formal comment on spec in comment period
14:18:17 RM: wouldn't do any harm to reply to poster that removing note
14:18:23 shane: will send response
14:18:26 RM: great
14:18:37 TOPIC: Name of Serialization of HTML5
14:18:44 RM: not sure can do much about this
14:18:58 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0001
14:19:37 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0001.html
14:19:52 GJR thoughts: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0006.html
14:20:24 RM: not sure anything to do here -- talking about XHTML5 -- consumer confusion concerns -- why not just HTML5 with XML serialization
14:21:28 shane: not XHTML -- nothing in common with actual HTML5
14:21:56 RM: just anounced public draft to be published
14:22:30 GJR: 26 February 2008 -- trying to move up (issuing the first public draft of HTML5)
14:22:41 RM: approval for issuing first WD done
14:23:13 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0203.html
14:24:07 RM: looking at ChrisL's approval - HTML5 spec first WD will be published next week 27 december 2007
14:28:20 RM: not sure should agonize over what HTML5 is doing
14:28:22 shane: agree
14:28:25 GJR: agree
14:28:55 TOPIC: XHTML 1.1 - xml:space in validator
14:28:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0023
14:29:24 [the sound of silent reading]
14:29:32 shane: already dealt with this
14:29:37 RM: complete?
14:29:41 shane: yes
14:33:45 RM: how to write up what to do in this area?
14:34:08 shane: moved DTDs out of TR space -- under /MarkUp now -- may be part of problem
14:34:25 ACTION Roland: sort out versioning and shortnames
14:35:04 shane: if have updated WD if something is already a rec, is it our responsibility to alert the validator people
14:35:26 RM: dated version goes to TR space when actually recommendation -- can't replace 1.1
14:35:35 RM: also versined through dated name
14:36:03 shane: going forward, need to say DTD identifier is gotten to from dated name -- otherwise go to wrong DTD
14:36:11 RM: will review and share info with WG
14:36:36 RM: close this item in tracker
14:36:46 TOPIC: Prefix mapping in role and/or RDFa
14:36:53 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0021
14:36:53 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0033.html
14:37:30 RM: replied to item 33?
14:37:36 shane: yes, had as action last week
14:37:51 http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab
14:37:52 shane: real topic is producing vocabulary document at end of vocabulary reference
14:38:24 shane: needs to use new content-negotiation stuff TAG currently debating; Ralph Zwick offered assisstance
14:38:53 shane: plan is to produce document at URI i cited that uses RDFa to encode the vocabulary
14:38:56 s/Zwick/Swick/
14:39:05 :)
14:39:33 shane: think that should go long way towards resolution -- what is the default prefix in XHTML family documents -- we've said "it is this"
14:39:43 mark: agree (for the time-being)
14:39:49 (Should have '#' on the end.)
14:40:05 RM: going to be a while before finish?
14:40:15 shane: before end of year -- relatively simple, just has to be done
14:41:05 ACTION: ShaneM to produce a vocabulary document that will go at the vocab# URI and use RDFa to annotate the items.
14:41:44 RM: ok, we can move on then...
14:42:17 RM: state of HTML5 still in flux -- just received note from Ian Jacobs -- in middle of publishing moratorium
14:42:33 TOPIC: Legacy Module
14:42:43 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009
14:43:05 shane: m12n 2 doesn't have legacy module -- doesn't mean can't, just don't have one
14:43:51 shane: 2 issues: 1) put those in legacy module; 2) should there be a legacy module in XHTML2 or not -- should it be part of language or available to those extending language
14:44:06 RM: shouldn't make decision until discern what legacy will be needed
14:44:25 RM: how to dispose of note - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009
14:45:03 shane: [re-reads comment] suggesting we make changes to what is in legacy module for 1.1 -- asking us to add things to 1.1
14:45:49 shane: it isn't a bad suggestion --
14:46:00 RM: anyone any thoughts on this?
14:46:17 shane: legacy module not used by anybody in reality
14:46:27 RM: problems with legacy module
14:46:47 Yam: used legacy modules to define so could apply CSS
14:46:59 shane: would introducing these attributes help or hurt?
14:47:12 Yam: if have legacy module don't think will hurt
14:47:26 Concerned that adding things to legacy will change conformance requirements...
14:47:40 RM: please think about it shane and yam and everyone else -- return to it in new year -- been around for a long time, so should clear ASAP
14:47:58 shane: want to hear StevenP's opinion on it, too
14:48:04 RM: will discuss in new year
14:48:11 TOPIC: @Talign (erratum)
14:48:16 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0009
14:48:31 azkim, draft minutes
14:48:39 rrsagent, draft minutes
14:48:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
14:49:31 shane: DL with "type" attribute -- this is ancient stuff -- asking for reply to older post; HTML4 comment not our balliwick -- comment about modularization legacy which can't find (no pointer provided)
14:49:41 RM: no reference to previous note
14:49:56 shane: found it -- sent on 27 july -- found in personal mailbox
14:50:40 shane: sent to html-editor -- says DL doesn't take type attribute in m12n -- he's right
14:51:12 shane: think i can just fix it -- have to update the decisions and comments document
14:51:28 ACTION: Update M12N DoC and M12N to remove the erroneous @type from the dl element in legacy.
14:51:45 RM: you'll reply to commenter directly as well
14:51:47 shane: yes
14:51:59 TOPIC: XML Schema implementation for XHTML 2.0 (request from UWA WG)
14:52:03 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0038.html
14:52:10 rrsagent, draft minutes
14:52:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
14:52:27 shane: already responded and told them we will do it
14:52:39 RM: ok another issue cleared
14:53:01 TOPIC: Items relating to CURIES
14:53:26 RM: syntax problems
14:53:26 Suffix ambiguity: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/2007JanMar/0066.html
14:53:47 Syntax problems (PR#8010) - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JanMar/0051
14:54:00 Comments on WD-curie-20070307 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0000
14:54:34 RM: double colon is valid -- first colon delimiter, second part of URI -- first prefix has to be named
14:54:46 RM: thought we investigated this
14:55:04 shane: numbers are in hex without leading zero
14:55:31 RM: http://blah.blah[hexvalue]
14:55:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Literal_IPv6_addresses_in_URLs
14:56:14 [much reading and pondering]
14:56:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Notation
14:56:45 mark: to get double-colon using feature that allows substitution of two colons for zero
14:57:13 mark: could be six quadruple zeros
14:57:20 shane: what's the real issue?
14:57:35 shane: is it actually a problem?
14:58:09 mark: if an IPv6 appears without protocol at front and relative path at end can be (mark can you finish your thought in IRC?)
14:58:23 i.e., if it's possible to have this: "[dead::beef]", then we hvae a problem.
14:58:25 But...
14:58:39 if you have to hvae this: "http://[dead::beef]/" then we don't.
14:58:42 2 minute warning
14:59:10 ...just looking at rfc 2732 ...
14:59:49 MB: like postname
14:59:56 shane: has to have scheme
15:00:01 s/postname/hostname/
15:00:03 s/postname/hostname
15:00:26 shane: ever replied to this?
15:00:43 shane: check and see if in issue tracking system
15:01:08 RM: quoting "alternatively, the ambiguity brackets... could be disposed of using suffixes and CURIEs"
15:01:40 it's a might be a problem, not a documented problem
15:02:02 shane: what to do with this
15:02:07 mark: need to reply
15:02:21 shane: typing it now -- i'll do it (curie suffix URI ambiguity)
15:02:23 GJR wants to publicly thank shane for work on improving the W3C diffmarking service
15:03:12 mark: clarify -- "CURIE syntax document should warn..." -- should just tighten up -- should say thanks for comment we will be tightening up
15:03:54 RM: some other CURIE bits and RDFa module issues -- syntax issues and comments; let's work our way through this on list and get onto more current issues
15:04:30 rrsagent, make minutes
15:04:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
15:04:32 -ShaneM_
15:04:34 -alessio
15:04:35 -Roland
15:04:37 -markbirbeck
15:04:38 -yamx
15:04:40 -Gregory_Rosmaita
15:04:41 happy Xmas everyone!
15:04:42 IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended
15:04:43 Attendees were Roland, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, Gregory_Rosmaita, alessio, yamx, +020768aabb, markbirbeck
15:04:58 rrsagent, make minutes
15:04:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
15:05:00 Season's greetings and happy holidays!
15:05:14 set logs public
15:05:19 rrsagent set logs public
15:06:12 rrsagent, make minutes public
15:06:12 rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:06:17 ahh okay
15:06:25 thanks shane
15:06:28 my cats are climbing my xmas tree - way funny
15:07:01 alessio has joined #xhtml
15:07:03 my cats are climbing me and have been all telecon long - not very funny (well, it would be if i weren't the object of their climbing)
15:07:06 rrsagent, make log public
15:07:19 haha
15:07:30 rrsagent, make minutes
15:07:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
15:07:39 meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Call
15:07:49 rrsagent, make minutes
15:07:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
15:07:52 rrsagent, make minutes
15:07:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
15:08:02 chair: Roland
15:08:05 rrsagent, make minutes
15:08:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
15:08:34 who's in the 763 area code?
15:08:43 me
15:08:48 ok
15:08:59 present- aaaa
15:09:06 present+ ShaneM
15:09:10 rrsagent, make minutes
15:09:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
15:09:44 present- [+1.763.767.aaaa]
15:09:46 minutes now look good, thanks for scribing
15:09:47 rrsagent, make minutes
15:09:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
15:10:02 no problem -- just trying to tie up loose ends
15:10:19 excellent
15:10:31 roland, do you know who the other mystery phone number belongs to?
15:10:46 +020768aabb
15:10:53 could be mark birbeck
15:11:02 ah..
15:11:07 looks like a London number
15:11:15