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15:58:05 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
15:58:10 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0044.html
15:58:13 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:58:16 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:58:21 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
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15:58:40 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Steven, Keith, Rafael, Joern
15:58:46 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
15:58:52 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0044.html
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16:00:04 <John_Boyer> Regrets-Keith
16:00:13 <Zakim> + +1.250.294.aaaa
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16:00:26 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
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16:00:29 <John_Boyer> zakim, I am +1.250
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16:00:33 <Nick> zakim, code?
16:00:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Nick
16:00:42 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, who is here?
16:00:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, Charlie, ??P18
16:00:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see Nick, ebruchez, wellsk, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
16:00:54 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, Charlie is CharlieWiecha
16:00:54 <Zakim> +CharlieWiecha; got it
16:01:00 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, who is here?
16:01:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, ??P18
16:01:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Nick, ebruchez, wellsk, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
16:01:02 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
16:01:03 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:01:13 <unl> zakim, ??P18 is me
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16:01:23 <Zakim> +unl; got it
16:01:25 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:01:33 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P20 is ebruchez
16:01:37 <ebruchez> hello
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16:02:00 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
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16:02:24 <wellsk> I am having telephone problems and will call in as soon as possible!
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16:04:33 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
16:04:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, unl, ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, markbirbeck, Leigh_Klotz
16:04:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see klotz, Nick, ebruchez, wellsk, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
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16:07:07 <Zakim> +wellsk; got it
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16:13:04 <Schnitz> zakim, code?
16:13:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
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16:28:09 <Nick> no
16:28:17 <Nick> I'm agreeing with it
16:29:23 <Nick> but what we do then with sumproduct?
16:29:40 <Nick> zakim, unmute me
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16:31:56 <Schnitz> zakim, who is here?
16:31:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, unl (muted), ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, markbirbeck, Leigh_Klotz, wellsk (muted), Blake, Schnitz (muted)
16:31:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Schnitz, Blake, klotz, Nick, ebruchez, wellsk, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
16:33:04 <Nick> zakim, mute me
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16:34:03 <John_Boyer> Proposed Resolution: Add to XForms 1.2 the capability to express function and procedure interfaces and implementations
16:36:05 <John_Boyer> function - side effect free and can be invoked from XPath
16:36:22 <John_Boyer> procedure - possible side effects and invoked from actions
16:40:18 <John_Boyer> Possibility for multiple implementations, including XForms actions, script or anything else plugged in to the processor
16:45:26 <Nick> you want to use the functions everywhere you have an xpath expression
16:47:39 <Nick> I'm added the topics we discussed to http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XFormsReq12 (and will keep doing it)
16:47:48 <klotz> Add to XForms 1.2 the capability to define interfaces to and implementations of extensions for both side-effect and side-effect-free operations, along with the specification of which points these extensions may be invoked, including but not limited to XPath expressions and actions.
16:48:15 <CharlieWiecha> +1
16:48:21 <John_Boyer> +1
16:48:24 <ebruchez> sure
16:48:31 <Nick> +1
16:48:36 <wellsk> +1
16:48:39 <Blake> +1
16:48:45 <markbirbeck> +1
16:48:57 <Schnitz> +1
16:49:00 <Schnitz> :-)
16:49:31 <klotz> RESOLUTION: Add to XForms 1.2 the capability to define interfaces to and implementations of extensions for both side-effect and side-effect-free operations, along with the specification of which points these extensions may be invoked, including but not limited to XPath expressions and actions.
16:51:52 <Nick> sounds perfect for me
16:52:02 <Nick> yes
16:52:08 <Nick> erik, will do
16:52:33 <Nick> no, go ahead
16:53:02 <Nick> I'll add some text to  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XFormsReq12 description why we need it)
16:53:44 <klotz> ACTION: Erik Bruchez to send email to write up initial draft for extensions.
16:53:44 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-437 - Bruchez to send email to write up initial draft for extensions. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2007-12-26].
16:53:49 <klotz> ACTION: Erik Bruchez to produce spec-ready text for XForms 1.2 extensions.
16:53:49 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-438 - Bruchez to produce spec-ready text for XForms 1.2 extensions. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2007-12-26].
16:54:32 <klotz> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to investigate and report on possible uses for extension functions outside of xf:action/* and */[@nodeset or @ref or @value].
16:54:32 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-439 - Klotz to investigate and report on possible uses for extension functions outside of xf:action/* and */[@nodeset or @ref or @value]. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2007-12-26].
16:54:38 <John_Boyer> Topic: XPath 2.0 as module
16:54:39 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0040.html
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16:57:42 <Nick> we maybe even want to allow different languages for the query (to specify node sets and refer nodes), constraint and calculation language
16:59:27 <Nick> If we do add XPath 2.0 I would prefer we first try if we could add support for pluggable languages
17:00:27 <Nick> zakim, unmute me
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17:02:11 <markbirbeck> But could also support JSON, for example.
17:02:52 <markbirbeck> Perhaps my @hasFeature proposal from years ago?
17:07:31 <klotz> ACTION: Erik Bruchez to investigate adding XPath 2.0 to XForms 1.2 in a modular way that encompasses adding other pluggable languages in the future.
17:07:31 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-440 - Bruchez to investigate adding XPath 2.0 to XForms 1.2 in a modular way that encompasses adding other pluggable languages in the future. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2007-12-26].
17:08:14 <Nick> happy holiday season
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17:08:20 <Nick> bye
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17:08:45 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.250.294.aaaa, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, unl, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, ebruchez, markbirbeck, Leigh_Klotz, +1.919.639.aabb, wellsk, +1.541.754.aacc, Blake, Schnitz
17:09:00 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:09:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
17:09:05 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:09:05 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-actions.rdf :
17:09:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik Bruchez to send email to write up initial draft for extensions. [1]
17:09:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-irc#T16-53-44
17:09:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik Bruchez to produce spec-ready text for XForms 1.2 extensions. [2]
17:09:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-irc#T16-53-49
17:09:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to investigate and report on possible uses for extension functions outside of xf:action/* and */[@nodeset or @ref or @value]. [3]
17:09:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-irc#T16-54-32
17:09:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik Bruchez to investigate adding XPath 2.0 to XForms 1.2 in a modular way that encompasses adding other pluggable languages in the future. [4]
17:09:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-irc#T17-07-31