IRC log of forms on 2007-12-19

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15:58:05 [John_Boyer]: Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
15:58:10 [John_Boyer]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0044.html
15:58:13 [John_Boyer]: Chair: John
15:58:16 [John_Boyer]: Scribe: Leigh
15:58:21 [John_Boyer]: scribenick: klotz
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15:58:40 [John_Boyer]: Regrets: Steven, Keith, Rafael, Joern
15:58:46 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:46 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
15:58:52 [John_Boyer]: John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0044.html
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16:00:04 [John_Boyer]: Regrets-Keith
16:00:13 [Zakim]: + +1.250.294.aaaa
16:00:22 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
16:00:25 [Zakim]: +??P18
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16:00:26 [CharlieWiecha]: zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
16:00:27 [Zakim]: +Charlie; got it
16:00:29 [John_Boyer]: zakim, I am +1.250
16:00:29 [Zakim]: +John_Boyer; got it
16:00:33 [Nick]: zakim, code?
16:00:33 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Nick
16:00:42 [CharlieWiecha]: zakim, who is here?
16:00:42 [Zakim]: On the phone I see John_Boyer, Charlie, ??P18
16:00:43 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Nick, ebruchez, wellsk, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
16:00:54 [CharlieWiecha]: zakim, Charlie is CharlieWiecha
16:00:54 [Zakim]: +CharlieWiecha; got it
16:01:00 [CharlieWiecha]: zakim, who is here?
16:01:00 [Zakim]: On the phone I see John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, ??P18
16:01:01 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Nick, ebruchez, wellsk, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
16:01:02 [markbirbeck]: zakim, code?
16:01:03 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:01:13 [unl]: zakim, ??P18 is me
16:01:15 [Zakim]: +??P20
16:01:23 [Zakim]: +unl; got it
16:01:25 [Zakim]: +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:01:33 [ebruchez]: zakim, ??P20 is ebruchez
16:01:37 [ebruchez]: hello
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16:02:00 [markbirbeck]: zakim, i am ?
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16:02:24 [wellsk]: I am having telephone problems and will call in as soon as possible!
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16:03:48 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, help
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16:04:33 [John_Boyer]: zakim, who is here?
16:04:33 [Zakim]: On the phone I see John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, unl, ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, markbirbeck, Leigh_Klotz
16:04:35 [Zakim]: On IRC I see klotz, Nick, ebruchez, wellsk, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
16:04:47 [unl]: zakim, mute me
16:04:47 [Zakim]: unl should now be muted
16:04:58 [Nick]: zakim, mute me
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16:06:35 [Zakim]: + +1.919.639.aabb
16:07:07 [wellsk]: zakim, aabb is wellsk
16:07:07 [Zakim]: +wellsk; got it
16:07:31 [wellsk]: zakim, mute me
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16:13:04 [Schnitz]: zakim, code?
16:13:04 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
16:14:31 [Zakim]: +??P27
16:14:43 [Schnitz]: zakim, ??p27 is me
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16:14:49 [Schnitz]: zakim, mute me
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16:28:09 [Nick]: no
16:28:17 [Nick]: I'm agreeing with it
16:29:23 [Nick]: but what we do then with sumproduct?
16:29:40 [Nick]: zakim, unmute me
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16:31:56 [Schnitz]: zakim, who is here?
16:31:56 [Zakim]: On the phone I see John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, unl (muted), ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, markbirbeck, Leigh_Klotz, wellsk (muted), Blake, Schnitz (muted)
16:31:59 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Schnitz, Blake, klotz, Nick, ebruchez, wellsk, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
16:33:04 [Nick]: zakim, mute me
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16:34:03 [John_Boyer]: Proposed Resolution: Add to XForms 1.2 the capability to express function and procedure interfaces and implementations
16:36:05 [John_Boyer]: function - side effect free and can be invoked from XPath
16:36:22 [John_Boyer]: procedure - possible side effects and invoked from actions
16:40:18 [John_Boyer]: Possibility for multiple implementations, including XForms actions, script or anything else plugged in to the processor
16:45:26 [Nick]: you want to use the functions everywhere you have an xpath expression
16:47:39 [Nick]: I'm added the topics we discussed to http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XFormsReq12 (and will keep doing it)
16:47:48 [klotz]: Add to XForms 1.2 the capability to define interfaces to and implementations of extensions for both side-effect and side-effect-free operations, along with the specification of which points these extensions may be invoked, including but not limited to XPath expressions and actions.
16:48:15 [CharlieWiecha]: +1
16:48:21 [John_Boyer]: +1
16:48:24 [ebruchez]: sure
16:48:31 [Nick]: +1
16:48:36 [wellsk]: +1
16:48:39 [Blake]: +1
16:48:45 [markbirbeck]: +1
16:48:57 [Schnitz]: +1
16:49:00 [Schnitz]: :-)
16:49:31 [klotz]: RESOLUTION: Add to XForms 1.2 the capability to define interfaces to and implementations of extensions for both side-effect and side-effect-free operations, along with the specification of which points these extensions may be invoked, including but not limited to XPath expressions and actions.
16:51:52 [Nick]: sounds perfect for me
16:52:02 [Nick]: yes
16:52:08 [Nick]: erik, will do
16:52:33 [Nick]: no, go ahead
16:53:02 [Nick]: I'll add some text to http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XFormsReq12 description why we need it)
16:53:44 [klotz]: ACTION: Erik Bruchez to send email to write up initial draft for extensions.
16:53:44 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-437 - Bruchez to send email to write up initial draft for extensions. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2007-12-26].
16:53:49 [klotz]: ACTION: Erik Bruchez to produce spec-ready text for XForms 1.2 extensions.
16:53:49 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-438 - Bruchez to produce spec-ready text for XForms 1.2 extensions. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2007-12-26].
16:54:32 [klotz]: ACTION: Leigh Klotz to investigate and report on possible uses for extension functions outside of xf:action/* and */[@nodeset or @ref or @value].
16:54:32 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-439 - Klotz to investigate and report on possible uses for extension functions outside of xf:action/* and */[@nodeset or @ref or @value]. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2007-12-26].
16:54:38 [John_Boyer]: Topic: XPath 2.0 as module
16:54:39 [John_Boyer]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0040.html
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16:57:42 [Nick]: we maybe even want to allow different languages for the query (to specify node sets and refer nodes), constraint and calculation language
16:59:27 [Nick]: If we do add XPath 2.0 I would prefer we first try if we could add support for pluggable languages
17:00:27 [Nick]: zakim, unmute me
17:00:27 [Zakim]: Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
17:02:11 [markbirbeck]: But could also support JSON, for example.
17:02:52 [markbirbeck]: Perhaps my @hasFeature proposal from years ago?
17:07:31 [klotz]: ACTION: Erik Bruchez to investigate adding XPath 2.0 to XForms 1.2 in a modular way that encompasses adding other pluggable languages in the future.
17:07:31 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-440 - Bruchez to investigate adding XPath 2.0 to XForms 1.2 in a modular way that encompasses adding other pluggable languages in the future. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2007-12-26].
17:08:14 [Nick]: happy holiday season
17:08:14 [Schnitz]: zakim, unmute me
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17:08:20 [Nick]: bye
17:08:21 [Zakim]: -Leigh_Klotz
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17:08:43 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
17:08:45 [Zakim]: Attendees were +1.250.294.aaaa, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, unl, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, ebruchez, markbirbeck, Leigh_Klotz, +1.919.639.aabb, wellsk, +1.541.754.aacc, Blake, Schnitz
17:09:00 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make minutes
17:09:00 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
17:09:05 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, bye
17:09:05 [RRSAgent]: I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-actions.rdf :
17:09:05 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Erik Bruchez to send email to write up initial draft for extensions. [1]
17:09:05 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-irc#T16-53-44
17:09:05 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Erik Bruchez to produce spec-ready text for XForms 1.2 extensions. [2]
17:09:05 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-irc#T16-53-49
17:09:05 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Leigh Klotz to investigate and report on possible uses for extension functions outside of xf:action/* and */[@nodeset or @ref or @value]. [3]
17:09:05 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-irc#T16-54-32
17:09:05 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Erik Bruchez to investigate adding XPath 2.0 to XForms 1.2 in a modular way that encompasses adding other pluggable languages in the future. [4]
17:09:05 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-forms-irc#T17-07-31