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14:48:06 <marc> zakim, this is INC_EMOXG
14:48:06 <Zakim> marc, I see INC_EMOXG()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be INC_EMOXG".
14:48:20 <marc> zakim, this will be INC_EMOXG
14:48:20 <Zakim> ok, marc; I see INC_EMOXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
14:48:26 <Ian> Ian has joined #emotion
14:48:54 <Ian> hi mark, bjoern
14:49:12 <marc> agenda + Introduction and Purpose
14:49:24 <marc> agenda + Simplifying and prioritising requirements
14:49:35 <marc> agenda + Options for an EmotionML
14:49:42 <Bjoern> hi ian, marc
14:49:49 <marc> agenda + Date of next meeting
14:49:53 <marc> hi there!
14:51:16 <Zakim> INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has now started
14:51:23 <Zakim> +??P24
14:51:38 <marc> zakim, ??P24 is Marc
14:51:38 <Zakim> +Marc; got it
14:52:17 <Zakim> + +49.892.aaaa
14:52:19 <Zakim> -Marc
14:52:21 <Zakim> +Marc
14:52:37 <Bjoern> Zakim, I am +498928928548
14:52:37 <Zakim> sorry, Bjoern, I do not see a party named '+498928928548'
14:52:42 <marc> zakim, aaaa is Björn
14:52:42 <Zakim> +Björn; got it
14:53:04 <marc> zakim, who is here?
14:53:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Marc, Björn
14:53:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ian, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, Bjoern
14:56:11 <Kostas> Kostas has joined #emotion
14:56:22 <Zakim> +Ian_Wilson
14:56:46 <Zakim> + +95177aabb
14:57:17 <marc> zakim, aabb is Catherine
14:57:17 <Zakim> +Catherine; got it
14:57:20 <Zakim> + +1.302.107.aacc
14:57:42 <marc> zakim, aacc is Kostas
14:57:42 <Zakim> +Kostas; got it
14:57:46 <Christian> Christian has joined #emotion
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14:59:07 <marc> Hi Christian and Paolo, could you please join on the phone?
14:59:11 <Zakim> +Paolo_Baggia,Patrizio_Bergallo
14:59:38 <Zakim> + +1.512.567.aadd
14:59:53 <Zakim> + +49.381.402.aaee
15:00:01 <marc> zakim, aadd is Bill
15:00:01 <Zakim> +Bill; got it
15:00:19 <marc> zakim, aaee is Christian
15:00:19 <Zakim> +Christian; got it
15:00:33 <paolo> Scribe: Paolo Baggia
15:00:43 <paolo> ScribeNick: paolo
15:01:19 <Ian> no problem
15:01:28 <marc> zakim, agenda?
15:01:28 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:01:29 <paolo> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2007Dec/0004.html
15:01:29 <Zakim> 1. Introduction and Purpose [from marc]
15:01:30 <Zakim> 2. Simplifying and prioritising requirements [from marc]
15:01:31 <Zakim> 3. Options for an EmotionML [from marc]
15:01:32 <Zakim> 4. Date of next meeting [from marc]
15:01:50 <paolo> Chair: Marc Schroeder
15:02:04 <paolo> Meeting: EMOXG
15:03:19 <paolo> marc: introduction
15:03:36 <paolo> marc: You know the charter and the result of last year
15:03:53 <Zakim> + +43.153.2aaff
15:03:57 <paolo> marc: You know the requirements
15:04:06 <marc> zakim, aaff is Hannes
15:04:06 <Zakim> +Hannes; got it
15:04:22 <Ian> try www.ircatwork.com
15:04:30 <Ian> i am using it now
15:04:42 <Ian> i had the same problem
15:04:47 <marc> zakim, who is here?
15:04:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Marc, Björn, Ian_Wilson (muted), Catherine, Kostas, Paolo_Baggia,Patrizio_Bergallo, Bill, Christian, Hannes
15:04:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see paolo, Christian, Kostas, Ian, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, Bjoern
15:04:56 <paolo> zakim, who is here?
15:04:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Marc, Björn, Ian_Wilson (muted), Catherine, Kostas, Paolo_Baggia,Patrizio_Bergallo, Bill, Christian, Hannes
15:05:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see paolo, Christian, Kostas, Ian, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, Bjoern
15:05:19 <paolo> zakim, Paolo_Baggia,Patrizio_Bergallo is Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato
15:05:19 <Zakim> +Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato; got it
15:05:29 <paolo> zakim, who is here?
15:05:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Marc, Björn, Ian_Wilson (muted), Catherine, Kostas, Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato, Bill, Christian, Hannes
15:05:29 <Ian> go to advanced, set the port number to 6665
15:05:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see paolo, Christian, Kostas, Ian, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, Bjoern
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15:05:51 <Ian> doh!
15:06:10 <paolo> Marc: back to agenda point 1
15:06:34 <paolo> marc: Paolo suggested to put priority and focus on simple reqs
15:06:42 <paolo> marc: how we do that?
15:07:05 <paolo> marc: second point is to have a first draft, then a second one
15:07:31 <paolo> marc: In the meantime to discuss with VBWG (Voice Browser)
15:07:41 <Bjoern> agrees.
15:07:42 <paolo> ... and MMIWG (Multimodal Interaction)
15:07:56 <marc> next item
15:08:00 <paolo> Cathrine: fine
15:08:05 <marc> next item
15:08:47 <paolo> marc: How do we simplify?
15:09:02 <paolo> marc: Laurence Devillers is interested in it.
15:09:02 <Bjoern> volunteers for "who"
15:09:26 <paolo> next item
15:09:51 <Bjoern> let's make use case task forces?
15:10:39 <paolo> Cathrine: simplify with respect of what?
15:10:44 <paolo> marc: relevance
15:11:10 <paolo> Bjoern: on use cases
15:12:04 <paolo> Ian: maybe we can go on the requirement and set a value of 1, 2 or 3
15:12:24 <paolo> marc: on the use cases, I fear we will re-open the discussion of last year
15:12:41 <Bjoern> likes 1,2,3 + no oppinion...
15:12:54 <Ian> must have (1), could have (2), optional (3)
15:12:54 <paolo> s/oppinion/opinion/
15:13:43 <paolo> Hannes: I introduced difficult levels during the compilation of use cases
15:14:09 <Ian> I found the wiki very difficult to figure out.. and amend
15:14:09 <Zakim> + +4870aagg
15:14:10 <paolo> ... In theory there was the idea of the people to comment on it.
15:14:47 <paolo> Hannes: i could add a new table in the Wiki for the comments.
15:15:05 <Ian> Can we all mute our phones please (61#)
15:15:08 <marc> zakim, aagg is Myriam
15:15:08 <Zakim> +Myriam; got it
15:15:19 <paolo> zakim, aagg is Myriam_Lamolle
15:15:19 <Zakim> sorry, paolo, I do not recognize a party named 'aagg'
15:15:33 <paolo> zakim, where is noise?
15:15:35 <Zakim> sorry, paolo, I do not understand your question
15:15:43 <marc> zakim, who is making noise?
15:15:53 <Zakim> marc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ian_Wilson (4%), Catherine (36%), Hannes (95%)
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15:17:03 <Ian> ok
15:18:05 <paolo> marc: I like to go one by one and assign values
15:18:21 <paolo> Bioern: add value for "no opinion"
15:18:40 <Ian> must have (1), could have (2), no opinion (3)
15:19:35 <paolo> Paolo: There is already a scale for priority of requirements
15:19:51 <paolo> marc: Paolo would you circulate it?
15:19:55 <paolo> paolo: yes
15:20:11 <paolo> ACTION to Paolo circulate priority scale
15:20:34 <paolo> action: Paolo to circulate priority scale
15:20:56 <paolo> marc: Hannes would you circulate a summary from the Wiki document
15:21:05 <paolo> Hannes: ok
15:21:16 <Ian> w3 previous spec ranking example -> http://www.w3.org/TR/voice-dialog-reqs/
15:21:23 <paolo> action: Hannes to circulate short summary from Wiki
15:21:34 <Ian> must have, should have, nice to have
15:21:45 <Ian> ok
15:21:55 <Bjoern> ok
15:22:03 <marc> Suggest to first set up a questionnaire, 
15:22:18 <marc> ... getting people's opinions of what is high or low priorities
15:22:32 <marc> ... and then in the next phone meeting, decide how we proceed
15:23:05 <paolo> next item
15:23:28 <Bjoern> likes xml...
15:23:28 <paolo> marc: This is the most interesting part, but difficult
15:23:43 <paolo> ... we don't know all the options.
15:23:59 <paolo> marc: I'll go for XML, other options are RDF or others
15:24:14 <paolo> marc: other decision is flat or deep structure
15:24:18 <Bjoern> likes deep xml
15:24:23 <paolo> marc: opinion
15:24:27 <Ian> OWL -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Ontology_Language
15:25:25 <Ian> RDF -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework
15:25:54 <paolo> Paolo: People should propose strenght or weaknesses
15:26:11 <paolo> Ian: depens on the application
15:26:32 <paolo> marc: We should consider different applications
15:26:50 <paolo> Ian: All of the can be used, but ...
15:27:14 <Ian> quiet
15:27:59 <paolo> Bill: I worked with OWL, I love your reqs document, I don't know very much of XML
15:28:25 <paolo> Bill: There are many preexistent onthologies to express times
15:29:08 <paolo> Bill: There is a lot of predefined knowledge
15:29:39 <paolo> marc: I know it very little. I cannot express an opinion.
15:29:39 <Ian> we need to "bone up" quickly
15:29:44 <Ian> define the parameters
15:30:29 <paolo> Bill: I could dig around on pre-existing examples or write one.
15:30:45 <paolo> Bill: It stands on top of RDF and XML.
15:31:52 <paolo> Ian: about parameters, I think these languages good to be readable
15:32:06 <paolo> Ian: The parameters is readability, we can set general parameters
15:32:33 <paolo> Ian: then look to the parameters and make the more fitting
15:32:51 <paolo> marc: We could first look to the properties of these languages
15:33:02 <paolo> Hannes: I'd like to understand what we are talking about
15:33:51 <paolo> Hannes: we have to distinguish syntactic and semantic aspects
15:34:23 <paolo> marc: Human will write by hand, e.g XML while OWL is for automatic reasoning
15:34:45 <paolo> Ian: another is weight for protocols
15:35:46 <paolo> paolo: another parameter is to be easy to integrate in another language
15:36:19 <paolo> paolo: SSML for TTS and VoiceXML for ASR
15:36:31 <paolo> Ian: for that is better XML
15:37:21 <marc> EARL
15:37:26 <Ian> start with simple XML and expand out as necessary
15:37:34 <Ian> EARL is great actually
15:37:44 <paolo> marc: we could start from EARL
15:37:48 <Ian> ok, we can go home now... :)
15:37:51 <marc> http://emotion-research.net/earl
15:37:56 <Bjoern> likes starting with EARL on an xml basis and only expand if necessary...
15:38:18 <marc> Design principle for EARL was: "Simple cases should look simple"
15:39:28 <Bjoern> scribe: Bjoern Schuller
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15:39:39 <Ian> i think in the next week or so we should all become basically familiar with the pros and cons of rdf/xml/owl
15:39:46 <Bjoern> scribenick: bjoern
15:39:53 <Ian> i like to start with EARL
15:40:24 <Ian> its easier to start from something existing then adapt
15:40:37 <Bjoern> marc: not needed to push it through, but just start based on EARL/XML
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15:40:48 <Ian> very quiet bill
15:41:10 <paolo> Scribenick: paolo
15:41:38 <Ian> nice
15:41:42 <paolo> Bill: other people can do XML or EARL
15:41:52 <paolo> Bill: then compare
15:41:56 <Ian> can anyone else do rdf?
15:42:05 <paolo> marc: fine, can you pick some part
15:42:09 <Ian> someone with experience
15:42:27 <paolo> action: Bill to select part of requirement and to do OWL
15:42:40 <marc> Do we have anyone with experience in RDF?
15:42:47 <Bjoern> no...
15:42:54 <Ian> i can try
15:43:04 <Ian> yes... !
15:43:10 <paolo> action: Ian to do the proposal in RDF
15:43:23 <Ian> right
15:43:33 <Ian> do the same portion
15:43:56 <mlamolle> i can try also
15:44:04 <Ian> Bill, I will ask your advice too
15:44:13 <mlamolle> with another portion
15:44:23 <mlamolle> ok
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15:44:32 <mlamolle> rdf or owl
15:44:43 <Ian> what about the same portion in XML?
15:44:52 <Bjoern> could do in xml
15:44:55 <mlamolle> yes
15:45:04 <mlamolle> we start with EARL
15:45:07 <paolo> marc: the easiest is that you (Bill, Ian, Myriam) to communicate offline.
15:45:13 <Ian> ok
15:45:15 <mlamolle> with flat or deep structure
15:45:23 <mlamolle> like the fisrt proposition
15:45:35 <mlamolle> ok
15:45:49 <paolo> action: Bjoern to do it in XML
15:45:58 <paolo> marc: is it flat or deep?
15:46:06 <paolo> Bjoern: probably flat
15:46:08 <mlamolle> what do you want...
15:46:16 <Ian> deep
15:46:30 <mlamolle> ok
15:47:01 <Bjoern> does flat xml structure example.
15:47:02 <mlamolle> yes
15:47:12 <paolo> action: Myriam in XML with deep structure
15:47:19 <Ian> do we understand what "deep" and "flat" means?
15:47:33 <paolo> rrsagent, format minutes
15:47:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-emotion-minutes.html paolo
15:47:38 <Bjoern> yes.
15:47:42 <Ian> ok
15:47:43 <mlamolle> flat structure impliees the use of XML attributes
15:48:02 <Ian> ok, thats what i thought, thanks
15:48:03 <mlamolle> and deep structure implies simple element or complex element...
15:48:33 <paolo> rrsagent, make log public
15:48:49 <Bjoern> until 10.01.2008
15:49:08 <paolo> marc: deadline should be longer, not realisticc
15:50:49 <paolo> marc: next call will be Wednesday very early.
15:51:05 <Ian> any day is ok for me
15:51:32 <paolo> marc: week Jan 28?
15:51:33 <Ian> ok
15:51:36 <paolo> ok
15:51:41 <mlamolle> ok
15:51:46 <Bjoern> ok
15:52:09 <mlamolle> yes
15:52:10 <Ian> ok
15:52:47 <paolo> marc: work done for the meeting.
15:53:10 <paolo> marc: I'll do the poll for the day
15:53:24 <paolo> next item
15:53:45 <paolo> Topic: item 4
15:54:02 <paolo> marc: thanks to all the participants
15:54:08 <Ian> thank you, good to get back to it
15:54:11 <mlamolle> happy christmas
15:54:12 <paolo> marc: best wishes and happy new year
15:54:12 <Ian> bye
15:54:14 <mlamolle> bye 
15:54:16 <paolo> bye
15:54:17 <Zakim> -Christian
15:54:18 <Zakim> -Hannes
15:54:18 <Zakim> -Kostas
15:54:18 <Bjoern> bye
15:54:19 <Zakim> -Marc
15:54:20 <Zakim> -Ian_Wilson
15:54:20 <jarrold> bye
15:54:20 <Zakim> -Catherine
15:54:22 <Zakim> -Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato
15:54:24 <Zakim> -Myriam
15:54:26 <Zakim> -Björn
15:54:28 <Zakim> -Bill
15:54:31 <Kostas> bye
15:54:32 <Zakim> INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has ended
15:54:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Marc, +49.892.aaaa, Björn, Ian_Wilson, +95177aabb, Catherine, +1.302.107.aacc, Kostas, +1.512.567.aadd, +49.381.402.aaee, Bill, Christian, +43.153.2aaff, Hannes,
15:54:37 <Zakim> ... Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato, +4870aagg, Myriam
15:54:46 <paolo> rrsagent, format minutes
15:54:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-emotion-minutes.html paolo
15:54:51 <jarrold> just in case jarrold is bill and my email is jarrold@ai.sri.com
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15:55:32 <marc> yes
15:55:37 <marc> thanks a lot, paolo!!
15:56:00 <marc> Will you have time to clean up those minutes a little bit?
15:56:14 <marc> You can send the cleaned up version to me, and I will upload and circulate.
15:56:45 <paolo> do you need both HTML and text or only text
15:56:51 <marc> just html
15:57:08 <marc> i can convert to text only if needed.
15:57:09 <paolo> ok, I'll try to do something on it.
15:57:18 <marc> that's excellent, thanks a lot!
15:57:21 <paolo> bye
15:57:30 <marc> bye!
15:59:08 <marc> zakim, bye
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15:59:13 <marc> rrsagent, bye
15:59:13 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-emotion-actions.rdf :
15:59:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Paolo to circulate priority scale [1]
15:59:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-emotion-irc#T15-20-34
15:59:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hannes to circulate short summary from Wiki [2]
15:59:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-emotion-irc#T15-21-23
15:59:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bill to select part of requirement and to do OWL [3]
15:59:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-emotion-irc#T15-42-27
15:59:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian to do the proposal in RDF [4]
15:59:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-emotion-irc#T15-43-10
15:59:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bjoern to do it in XML [5]
15:59:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-emotion-irc#T15-45-49
15:59:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Myriam in XML with deep structure [6]
15:59:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-emotion-irc#T15-47-12