IRC log of ua on 2007-12-13

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Zakim, this will be UAWG
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ok, Jan; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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Meeting: WAI UA
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007OctDec/0073.html
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Scribe: JR
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Chair: Jim Allan
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
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+[Microsoft]
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+[IPcaller]
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+AllanJ
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zakim, [Microsoft] is really KFord
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+KFord; got it
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zakim, [IPcaller] is really JR
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+JR; got it
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+[IBM]
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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zakim, [IBM] is really cklaws
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+cklaws; got it
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Topic: WCAG 2.0 last call - previous comments
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JA: We sent in some comments last time..some resulted in changes, some not
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007OctDec/0048.html
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JR: Comment 1: Respecting OS keyboard accessibility features
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JR: In this case they added paragraph to address
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Action JR: Review WCAG 2.0 LC
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Action JA: Review WCAG 2.0 LC
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Action CL: Review WCAG 2.0 LC
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KF: Will also be looking at it with comments via microsoft
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Topic: GJR Review GL 10 - gap, proposals
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JA: But Gregory not here
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Topic:
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Topic:review action items
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Topic: CL to broaden the definition in 6.1 beyond infoset to cover thing like CSS
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CL: Can't change "infoset" but could maybe change defn of content...
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CL: Related to Web 2.0?
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JA: Right and missed APIs
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JA: And out of process dom's....ARIA specs....
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JA: And 6.2 is DOM access to XML/HTML content
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CL: So work on additional wording specific to 6.1 and 6.2?
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JA: Yes
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JA: Our defnition of content is ued in 3 ways...
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JA: So will you make a proposal to list?
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CL: Can start by email and discuss in call
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JA: Reading "issues" from the Wiki
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/wiki/UseApis
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CL: Having probs seeing wiki
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Action JR: Look into "denial of Service" issue re IBM
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Topic: JR to follow up on 2.3 and make proposal.
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2007/WD-UAAG20-20071107/WD-UAAG20-20071107.html
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JR: looking at conditional content checkpoint - was P1 and was long - took brainstorming and looked at levels
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Changed name of checkpoint from rendered content to provide access to conditional content
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To make level A
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The user can browse and request the rendering of any items in a
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*conditional content stack* that are encoded in *technologies* that the
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user agent supports.
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If UA doesn't do Flash, then doesn't need to render that
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Update def of conditional content
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in glossary
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GLOSSARY:
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"conditional content stack"
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The set of *conditional content* items for a given position in content.
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The items may be mutually exclusive (e.g., regular contrast graphic vs.
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high contrast graphic) or non-exclusive (e.g., caption track that can
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play at the same time as a sound track).
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"Conditional content"
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Conditional content is content that should be made available to users
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only under certain conditions (e.g., based on user preferences or
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operating environment limitations). Some examples include:
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- The alt attribute of the IMG element in HTML 4.
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- OBJECT elements in HTML 4.
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- The switch element and test attributes in SMIL 1.0.
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- The NOSCRIPT and NOFRAMES elements in HTML 4.
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Note: Specifications vary in how completely they define how and when to
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render conditional content.
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2.3 Provide access to conditional content (P1)
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Level A:
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1. The user can browse and request the rendering of any items in a
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*conditional content stack* that are encoded in *technologies* that the
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user agent supports.
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2. For visual user agents, if the user requests the rendering of an item
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in the *conditional content stack* that has on-screen dimensions that
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are larger than the default rendered item, then a configuration should
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control which dimensions are used.
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3. If an item in the *conditional content stack* is plain text (e.g. alt
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text) then it is available programmatically even when not on-screen.
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4. Previously rendered items can continue to be rendered alongside other
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items in the *conditional content stack* unless the user agent can
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detect a mutual exclusion.
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Level AA:
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5. The user can set preferences for which items in a *conditional
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content stack* are rendered by default.
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6. The user is alerted to the presence of non-rendered items in the
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*conditional content stack* that are encoded in *technologies* that the
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user agent supports.
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Level AAA:
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If 2 audios and one is louder than the first, you could run into problems
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JA: State generally and the work in specific case
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Action JR: Work on 2.3 proposal to make provision 2 more general - not just visual
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3. Should be in DOM even when not rendered - or in a11y API
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Action JR: Check out "available programmatically " to see if we have a defn
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programatically should include accessibility APIs
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4. KF: Should show original content plus conditional at the sam time
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be able to render each of the items at request - but need to be able to see simultaneously sometimes like video and caption
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basic sound track plus audio description - timed to play at the same time - but two different language sound track would be mutually exclusive
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need to identify which is mutually exclusiv
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JF: maybe rules of thumb about mutually exclusive
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sorry JR:
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5. For double AA - user specifies preferences
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single A is query, double AA inform immediately
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JR: Please send any further thoughts to the list
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KF: Have a question for the WG...
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KF: On Monday Microsoft and other companies announced Accessibility Interoperability Alliance
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http://www.accessinteropalliance.org/newsevents/pr121007.html
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KF: Some different projects...varying degree of relation to browser...
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KF: But curious about group looking a keyboard shortcuts
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KF: Should we be looking at what that group has to say?
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KF: What does group think about this?
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CL: These things going beyond Web
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JA: I should take it to CG
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* Consistent keyboard access. Developing a set of keyboard shortcuts to provide consistent behavior to users of assistive technology products in any Web browser
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* Interoperability of accessibility APIs. Modifying and/or extending existing accessibility models (Microsoft UI Automation, IAccessible2 and others) to improve the interoperability and exchange of information between IT and assistive technology (AT) products
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* UI Automation extensions. Adding features and capabilities to support additional rich document scenarios, address new Web scenarios and more.
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* Accessible Rich Internet Applications Suite (ARIA) mapping through UI Automation. Designing the mapping of rich Web accessibility information through UI Automation to ensure maximum value for AT products and,
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CL: Interesting announcement...e.g. refers to iaccessible2 and also lots of PF stuff
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Here's a description of the keyboard project.
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• Consistent keyboard access. Developing a set of keyboard shortcuts to provide consistent behavior to users of assistive technology products in any Web
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browser
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JA: THis group should at least keep track of what's going on.
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Kelly, are you on the group?
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KF: No someone else from IE...but coordinate with them.
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JA: Noticing no unix, linux in membership and neither is Freedom Scientific
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JA: Thanks
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No IBM yet
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Action JA: Ping CG and PF about AIA.
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JA: Judy interested in putting out Public WG ...
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JA: Might be a way of stimulating participation, comments
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CL: Have we touched every checkpoint yet?
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JA: Sopme yes, some no.
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JA: OK so perhaps for next meeting when we meet next...
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CL: Available on Jan. 3rd, but not 10th then onward
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KF: Available quite a bit
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JA: OK next meeting on Jan. 10th
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JA: Or...
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JA: Let's meet next week
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JR: Could publish in Jan. with proviso that we are looking for participation
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-JR
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KF: Right and looking for big gaps
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JR - we lost you on the call
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Hello?
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we can't hear you
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+[IPcaller]
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now we can hear you.
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JA: My understanding is that Editor's drafts is for what's going in...and wiki is for issues...
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CL: Let's bring in issues styled as issues in box etc.
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KF: Think we are ready to put our ideas out there
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CL: But people haven't read yet
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Action JR: Check when publishing moratoria are
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JA: We will meet on Dec 20th
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-cklaws
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-KFord
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-[IPcaller]
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-AllanJ
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
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Attendees were AllanJ, KFord, JR, cklaws, [IPcaller]
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-minutes.html Jan
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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Zakim, bye
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I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: JR to Review WCAG 2.0 LC [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-10-03
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ACTION: JA to Review WCAG 2.0 LC [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-10-10
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ACTION: CL to Review WCAG 2.0 LC [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-10-14
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ACTION: JR to Look into "denial of Service" issue re IBM [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-18-08
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ACTION: JR to Work on 2.3 proposal to make provision 2 more general - not just visual [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-28-26
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ACTION: JR to Check out "available programmatically " to see if we have a defn [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-29-28
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ACTION: JA to Ping CG and PF about AIA. [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-48-37
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ACTION: JR to Check when publishing moratoria are [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-57-42