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16:04:53 <ShaneM>  rrsagent, meeting is public
16:04:55 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
16:05:03 <benadida> http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent
16:05:30 <benadida> Meeting: RDFa Task Force
16:05:34 <benadida> Chair: Ben
16:05:43 <benadida> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0077.html
16:06:26 <ShaneM>  scribe: ShaneM
16:06:26 <benadida> Scribe: ShaneM
16:06:34 <benadida> ScribeNick: ShaneM
16:09:17 <ShaneM>  Topic: Action Items
16:09:45 <benadida> actions -> http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
16:09:51 <Ralph> Ralph has joined #rdfa
16:10:10 <Zakim> +Ralph
16:10:25 <Simone> Zakim, passcode please?
16:10:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Simone
16:10:44 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
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16:10:46 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] -- continues
16:10:47 <Zakim> +??P32
16:11:01 <Simone> Zakim, ??P32 is me
16:11:01 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
16:11:20 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Manu to add test cases for @instanceof combined with hanging @rel [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] --done
16:12:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
16:12:39 <ShaneM>  [DONE] ACTION: Manu to put together set of test cases for hanging @rel [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
16:13:04 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:13:05 <ShaneM>  --continues
16:13:24 <Ralph> rrsagent, drop action 2
16:13:36 <ShaneM>  [DONE] ACTION: Ben check that browsers do preserve whitespace in attribute values [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
16:13:43 <ShaneM>  Whitespace is always preserved in all attribute values.
16:13:49 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:13:52 <ShaneM>  --continues
16:13:59 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:14:01 <ShaneM>  --continues
16:14:44 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:14:46 <ShaneM>  --continues
16:14:54 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:14:59 <ShaneM>  --continues
16:15:40 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: Test Case Review
16:16:25 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0071.html
16:16:53 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
16:17:02 <ShaneM>  Test Case 46...  
16:17:56 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Shane to add anchors to rdfa-syntax spec for element and attribute definitions
16:18:29 <markbirbeck_> I can't quite hear properly...are we on test 46?
16:21:39 <ShaneM>  ben and mark agree on an interpretation, but that does not match the current version of the test.  There are two bnodes generated.
16:22:51 <ShaneM>  manu seems to get what they are saying.
16:22:54 <ShaneM>  this test remains on hold.
16:24:21 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0070.html
16:24:36 <ShaneM>  Test Case 51...
16:26:11 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:26:34 <Ralph> Shane: isn't @about="" the default?
16:26:35 <Ralph> Mark: yep
16:26:44 <Zakim> + +1.540.641.aaaa
16:26:53 <Ralph> zakim, aaaa is Manu
16:26:53 <Zakim> +Manu; got it
16:27:17 <Zakim> -benadida
16:27:38 <Zakim> +benadida
16:29:40 <ShaneM>  Purpose of the change is to set the type of the entire document.
16:30:36 <ShaneM>  Mark is concerned that this test is not using the *right* way to set the document type.
16:30:49 <ShaneM>  Ralph says that is probably true, but this test case is still valid. 
16:30:55 <ShaneM>  Shane agrees.
16:31:48 <ShaneM>  Mark is conerned that the right way to set document type (@instanceof on head) is probably not being tested yet. 
16:32:19 <Ralph> +1 to adding another test for the HEAD alternative to the @about="" @instanceof case
16:32:58 <ShaneM>  The title of test 51 is also misleading.  It should be single property and about.
16:33:47 <ShaneM>  Ralpha restates the philosophy that "more test cases is better than too few".  If the title is misleading, we should change it.
16:33:55 <Ralph> s/Ralpha/Ben/
16:34:27 <markbirbeck_> <head instanceof="foaf:Document">
16:34:29 <markbirbeck_>  ...
16:34:32 <markbirbeck_> </head>
16:34:33 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Manu create an additional test case where @instanceof on head is used to set the global document type.
16:35:20 <ShaneM>  Mark: this works because @about="" is implied on the head element.
16:35:57 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0025.html
16:36:07 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0071.html
16:36:11 <ShaneM>  Test Case 56...
16:38:13 <ShaneM>  Everyone agrees that this is fine.  Approved.
16:38:25 <ShaneM>  Test Case 57...
16:39:09 <Zakim> -benadida
16:39:54 <Zakim> +benadida
16:40:18 <ShaneM>  This one also seems fine.  Approved.
16:40:28 <ShaneM>  Test Case 58...
16:40:45 <Ralph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0028.html
16:41:42 <ShaneM>  The SPARQL needs to have the angle brackets removed from the bnodes.
16:42:47 <ShaneM>  Approved modulo fixing the SPARQL (remove angle brackets from bnodes)
16:43:01 <Ralph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0042.html
16:43:01 <ShaneM>  Test Case 59...
16:43:16 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0042.html proposed test 59
16:43:57 <ShaneM>  Manu asks of @instanceof applies to @resource.  Ben says it does not, and Mark agrees.
16:44:03 <ShaneM>  s/of/if/
16:46:46 <ShaneM>  Discussion about @src and whether it should be a subject or an object.....
16:48:47 <benadida> action: Ben to write up example and explanation of @src as subject for IMG
16:51:07 <markbirbeck_> This is from Ivan's email:
16:51:10 <markbirbeck_> - an old use case for @instanceof was the
16:51:10 <markbirbeck_> <div about="#a" >
16:51:10 <markbirbeck_>   <img rel="a:b" src="http://a.b.c" instanceof="w:p"/>
16:51:10 <markbirbeck_> </div>
16:51:10 <markbirbeck_> where we wanted rdf:type to apply on <http://a.b.c>. My reading from
16:51:11 <markbirbeck_> these rules is that this will not happen...
16:51:33 <markbirbeck_> It's in the thread called "New processing rules", and is his first reply to me.
16:51:43 <ShaneM>  This test case is consistent with the current rules. 
16:52:05 <ShaneM>  Approved, but note that interpretation might change if Ben's action results in a change.
16:52:13 <markbirbeck_> Would be interesting to know if Ivan would be happy with:
16:52:13 <ShaneM>  Test Case 60...
16:52:14 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0043.html proposed test 60
16:52:29 <markbirbeck_> <div about="#a" rel="a:b">
16:52:45 <markbirbeck_> <img src="http://a.b.c" instanceof="w:p"/>
16:52:48 <markbirbeck_> </div>
16:53:20 <ShaneM>  Ralph likes this test!
16:53:29 <ShaneM>  No objections.  Approved.
16:53:35 <ShaneM>  Test Case 61...
16:53:44 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0059.html proposed test 61
16:55:26 <ShaneM>  The SPARQL is slightly wrong - the prefix for default CURIEs is http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#
16:55:39 <ShaneM>  Approved, after fixing the default prefix.
16:56:04 <ShaneM>  Test Case 62...
16:56:49 <ShaneM>  Shane notes that the href should really be for "prevChapter", not "nextChapter".
16:57:32 <ShaneM>  Mark suggests we use a relative URI for the next test / previous test as part of the test.
16:57:32 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0060.html proposed test 62
16:58:55 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Manu to add test cases to ensure URLs are resolved relative to base correctly against @about, @resource, and @href.
16:59:54 <ShaneM>  Change the @href in test case 62 to 0061.html for the "prev".  Also change the text in the document so it is more consistent.  And the vocab URI prefix.
17:01:08 <ShaneM>  s/0061/0063/
17:02:10 <ShaneM>  URI in the SPARQL should be 0063 as well ( we are a "rev" of a "prev")
17:02:28 <ShaneM>  Manu requests this remain on hold 'cause there are a lot of changes.
17:03:46 <ShaneM>  Test Case 63...
17:03:47 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0061.html proposed test 63
17:04:37 <ShaneM>  Change title to "empty prefix".  Change CURIE default prefix to vocab#.
17:05:33 <ShaneM>  Also change the rel to reference the next test case.
17:05:48 <ShaneM>  Approved after making the above changes.
17:05:52 <ShaneM>  Test Case 64...
17:06:13 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0068.html proposed test 64
17:10:17 <ShaneM>  Shane was confused about where "_:dan" lives.  It doesn't really live in this example, but that's okay.
17:11:20 <ShaneM>  Ralph suggests we change the example to use foaf:inbox instead of foaf:knows
17:12:57 <Ralph> s/:inbox/:mbox/
17:13:05 <ShaneM>  Ben suggests we leave it alone - its a valid test as is.
17:13:56 <ShaneM>  Simplest change is to get away from a mailto
17:16:29 <ShaneM>  Approved modulo changing the URL to an href for Libby.
17:16:56 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Ralph to check with Libby and make sure it is okay for us to use her address.
17:17:01 <ShaneM>  Test Case 65...
17:17:40 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Dec/0067.html proposed test 65
17:18:04 <ShaneM>  Approved with the change that there should be no nagle brackets around bnodes in the SPARQL.
17:18:33 <ShaneM>  Test Cases 47, 48, 52, and 53...
17:18:51 <ShaneM>  These tests have @instanceof apply to @resource.  Since this is no longer the case...  
17:19:30 <ShaneM>  TOPIC:  Chaining Rules
17:19:45 <ShaneM>  Ben asked if anyone objects to the path we are going down.  No one did.
17:19:56 <benadida> PROPOSE that we accept the Birbeck Chaining Rules (with some edge cases to be worked out soon)
17:20:27 <ShaneM>  RESOLVED: we accept the Birbeck Chaining Rules (with some edge cases to be worked out soon)
17:20:48 <ShaneM>  Ben asked when we will have a draft with the new rules?  Mark says nearly done.  Tomorrow?
17:21:56 <ShaneM>  Okay - Mark will have his changes done sometime tomorrow - Ben and Shane will review over the weekend.  Others are invited to review as well.
17:22:11 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
17:22:15 <Zakim> -Manu
17:22:17 <Zakim> -benadida
17:22:18 <Zakim> -ShaneM
17:22:19 <Zakim> -Ralph
17:22:26 <Zakim> -Simone
17:22:28 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
17:22:29 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], ShaneM, benadida, markbirbeck, Ralph, Simone, +1.540.641.aaaa, Manu
17:26:54 <Ralph> [I'm not finding a FOAF URI for Libby Miller -- even DanBri foaf:knows [ a foaf:Person, foaf:mbox mailto:libby.miller@bristol.ac.uk]; without giving her a URI
17:27:18 <benadida> benadida has left #rdfa
17:27:45 <Ralph> [so perhaps our test should be _:Danbri foaf:knows <http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i>.
17:28:03 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:28:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
17:30:11 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-actions.rdf :
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] -- continues [1]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-10-46-1
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [3]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-13-04
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [4]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-13-49
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [5]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-13-59
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [6]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-14-44
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [7]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-14-54
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to add anchors to rdfa-syntax spec for element and attribute definitions [8]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-17-56
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu create an additional test case where @instanceof on head is used to set the global document type. [9]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-34-33
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to write up example and explanation of @src as subject for IMG [10]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-48-47
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to add test cases to ensure URLs are resolved relative to base correctly against @about, @resource, and @href. [11]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T16-58-55
17:30:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to check with Libby and make sure it is okay for us to use her address. [12]
17:30:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-rdfa-irc#T17-16-56