IRC log of er on 2007-12-12

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13:29:06 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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meeting: ERT WG

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Dec/0008.html

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chair: Shadi

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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agenda+ Content-in-RDF title

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

13:30:24 [JohannesK]

zakim, klaus is really Johannes

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+Johannes; got it

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agenda+ DOM-in-RDF

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+ +49.715.aaaa

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- +49.715.aaaa

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+ +49.715.aaaa

13:32:06 [shadi]

zakim, aaaa is really Shadi

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+Shadi; got it

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+Johannes.a

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zakim, johannes.a is really CarlosV

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+CarlosV; got it

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+Carlos_Iglesias

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scribe: Shadi

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zakim, take up agendum 1

13:41:08 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Content-in-RDF title" taken up [from shadi]

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topic: WCAG 2.0 publication announcement

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/#x20071211a

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SAZ: WCAG 2.0 published as a last call working draft

13:48:55 [shadi]

...important milestone, please read it

13:49:07 [shadi]

...hopefully it meets your expectations

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zakim, take up agendum 1

13:49:13 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Content-in-RDF title" taken up [from shadi]

13:49:32 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Dec/0006

13:52:18 [shadi]

CV: missing content of _what_

13:52:32 [shadi]

...maybe "content of resources"?

13:53:04 [shadi]

JK: "Web resources" is too narrow

13:53:15 [CarlosV]

Resource: a network data object identified by a URI [RFC3986]. This definition is adapted from the definition of resource in [RFC2616].

13:54:20 [shadi]

CV: "Resources Content Representation in RDF"

13:54:58 [shadi]

JK: this definition restricts to objects identified by URIs, this is not always the case

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13:55:09 [EtnaRosso]

hi all

13:56:53 [shadi]

CI: reminds me of last meeting, it's about the definition of content

13:57:17 [shadi]

...agree with johannes, don't like the URI restriction

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CV: data objects?

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CI: sounds more formal but not much clearer

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CV: title doesn't reflect what the document says

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SAZ: what does this document say?

14:01:53 [shadi]

CV: describes some resources and data objects

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CI: attempt to find several kinds of representations of content we can find on the Web

14:04:27 [shadi]

...title can't say it all, document should be explanatory

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JK: like data objects, if can get rid of URI restriction

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SAZ: "Representing Data Content in RDF"

14:06:35 [CarlosV]

Title: RDF Representation of Resources Content

14:07:48 [shadi]

JK: wouldn't use "resource", RDF is already a resource description

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...using the same word twice but with different meaning is tricky

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SAZ: "Representing Objects in RDF"

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Title: Data Objects' Content in RDF

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CI: as an object-oriented progaramer it is confusing

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SAZ: "Content of Data Objects in RDF"

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SAZ: "Representing Content of Data Objects in RDF"

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SAZ: who cannout live with "Representing Content in RDF"

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SAZ: who cannot live with "Representing Content in RDF"?

14:15:08 [shadi]

CV: don't like verb at the beginning

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SAZ: what about "Content Representations in RDF"?

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JK: like the verb better

14:19:23 [shadi]

SAZ: propose to use "Representing Content in RDF" for now, and start filling out the document

14:19:51 [shadi]

...it should be narritive, and explain the different ways in which content can be represented in RDF

14:20:23 [shadi]

...we may be able to get EOWG to look at our doucments before publication, and review them editorially

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...this does however mean delaying publication until the documents are reviewed

14:22:29 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: accept "Representing Content in RDF" as the title

14:23:14 [shadi]

JK: if a different name is proposed, this could replicate changes throughout the document

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...for example the class names etc

14:24:05 [JohannesK]

CV: we could publish as editor's draft

14:25:29 [shadi]

SAZ: can publish as editor's or internal draft, but need more consensus within the group before we should publish on /TR

14:26:22 [shadi]

zakim, take up nexz

14:26:22 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'take up nexz', shadi

14:26:24 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

14:26:24 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "DOM-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]

14:26:28 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Dec/0011.html

14:27:49 [shadi]

JK: this is the DOM Core, there are others in the suite of specification

14:28:00 [shadi]

CV: are we sure we want to go down this road?

14:28:34 [shadi]

...DOM core may not be that hard, but would be incomplete without the rest

14:28:53 [shadi]

CI: is this dom level 3?

14:28:59 [shadi]

JK: yes, should be

14:30:20 [shadi]

CI: was hoping for something more basic, maybe just a placeholder

14:30:36 [shadi]

...not necessarily the whole DOM here

14:30:50 [carlosI]

just a basic set

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e.g.

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dom:node

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dom:document

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dom:element

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dom:attribute

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and dom:text

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CV: inclined to say no, don't go down that path

14:32:39 [shadi]

JK: think of the use cases

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SAZ: first question, is what is the effort required?

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secondly, do we need to do it now vs in a later version?

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-Johannes

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-CarlosV

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third, will these features be implemented by the group?

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SAZ: think about it, we'll talk more about it next week

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-Shadi

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zakim, drop carlosi

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Carlos_Iglesias is being disconnected

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Johannes, +49.715.aaaa, Shadi, CarlosV, Carlos_Iglesias

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