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13:29:06 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:29:06 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:29:12 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:29:42 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Dec/0008.html
13:29:47 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:30:08 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:30:10 <shadi> agenda+ Content-in-RDF title
13:30:11 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
13:30:24 <JohannesK> zakim, klaus is really Johannes
13:30:24 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
13:30:31 <shadi> agenda+ DOM-in-RDF
13:31:49 <Zakim> + +49.715.aaaa
13:31:50 <Zakim> - +49.715.aaaa
13:31:52 <Zakim> + +49.715.aaaa
13:32:06 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is really Shadi
13:32:06 <Zakim> +Shadi; got it
13:34:50 <Zakim> +Johannes.a
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13:35:26 <shadi> zakim, johannes.a is really CarlosV
13:35:26 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
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13:40:41 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:41:01 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
13:41:08 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:41:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Content-in-RDF title" taken up [from shadi]
13:43:52 <shadi> topic: WCAG 2.0 publication announcement
13:44:18 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/#x20071211a
13:45:48 <shadi> SAZ: WCAG 2.0 published as a last call working draft
13:48:55 <shadi> ...important milestone, please read it
13:49:07 <shadi> ...hopefully it meets your expectations
13:49:13 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:49:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Content-in-RDF title" taken up [from shadi]
13:49:32 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Dec/0006
13:52:18 <shadi> CV: missing content of _what_
13:52:32 <shadi> ...maybe "content of resources"?
13:53:04 <shadi> JK: "Web resources" is too narrow
13:53:15 <CarlosV> Resource: a network data object identified by a URI [RFC3986]. This definition is adapted from the definition of resource in [RFC2616].
13:54:20 <shadi> CV: "Resources Content Representation in RDF"
13:54:58 <shadi> JK: this definition restricts to objects identified by URIs, this is not always the case
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13:55:09 <EtnaRosso> hi all
13:56:53 <shadi> CI: reminds me of last meeting, it's about the definition of content
13:57:17 <shadi> ...agree with johannes, don't like the URI restriction
13:59:04 <shadi> CV: data objects?
13:59:15 <shadi> CI: sounds more formal but not much clearer
14:00:52 <shadi> CV: title doesn't reflect what the document says
14:01:33 <shadi> SAZ: what does this document say?
14:01:53 <shadi> CV: describes some resources and data objects
14:03:17 <shadi> CI: attempt to find several kinds of representations of content we can find on the Web
14:04:27 <shadi> ...title can't say it all, document should be explanatory
14:04:48 <shadi> JK: like data objects, if can get rid of URI restriction
14:06:12 <shadi> SAZ: "Representing Data Content in RDF"
14:06:35 <CarlosV> Title: RDF Representation of Resources Content
14:07:48 <shadi> JK: wouldn't use "resource", RDF is already a resource description
14:08:02 <shadi> ...using the same word twice but with different meaning is tricky
14:08:43 <shadi> SAZ: "Representing Objects in RDF"
14:09:38 <CarlosV> Title: Data Objects' Content in RDF
14:09:49 <shadi> CI: as an object-oriented progaramer it is confusing
14:10:24 <shadi> SAZ: "Content of Data Objects in RDF"
14:10:39 <shadi> SAZ: "Representing Content of Data Objects in RDF"
14:13:18 <shadi> SAZ: who cannout live with "Representing Content in RDF"
14:13:34 <shadi> SAZ: who cannot live with "Representing Content in RDF"?
14:15:08 <shadi> CV: don't like verb at the beginning
14:15:16 <shadi> SAZ: what about "Content Representations in RDF"?
14:16:36 <shadi> JK: like the verb better
14:19:23 <shadi> SAZ: propose to use "Representing Content in RDF" for now, and start filling out the document
14:19:51 <shadi> ...it should be narritive, and explain the different ways in which content can be represented in RDF
14:20:23 <shadi> ...we may be able to get EOWG to look at our doucments before publication, and review them editorially
14:20:53 <shadi> ...this does however mean delaying publication until the documents are reviewed
14:22:29 <shadi> RESOLUTION: accept "Representing Content in RDF" as the title
14:23:14 <shadi> JK: if a different name is proposed, this could replicate changes throughout the document
14:23:23 <shadi> ...for example the class names etc
14:24:05 <JohannesK> CV: we could publish as editor's draft
14:25:29 <shadi> SAZ: can publish as editor's or internal draft, but need more consensus within the group before we should publish on /TR
14:26:22 <shadi> zakim, take up nexz
14:26:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up nexz', shadi
14:26:24 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:26:24 <Zakim> agendum 2. "DOM-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]
14:26:28 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Dec/0011.html
14:27:49 <shadi> JK: this is the DOM Core, there are others in the suite of specification
14:28:00 <shadi> CV: are we sure we want to go down this road?
14:28:34 <shadi> ...DOM core may not be that hard, but would be incomplete without the rest
14:28:53 <shadi> CI: is this dom level 3?
14:28:59 <shadi> JK: yes, should be
14:30:20 <shadi> CI: was hoping for something more basic, maybe just a placeholder
14:30:36 <shadi> ...not necessarily the whole DOM here
14:30:50 <carlosI> just a basic set
14:30:52 <carlosI> e.g.
14:30:56 <carlosI> dom:node
14:31:02 <carlosI> dom:document
14:31:09 <carlosI> dom:element
14:31:14 <carlosI> dom:attribute
14:31:22 <carlosI> and dom:text
14:32:10 <shadi> CV: inclined to say no, don't go down that path
14:32:39 <shadi> JK: think of the use cases
14:34:10 <shadi> SAZ: first question, is what is the effort required?
14:34:25 <shadi> secondly, do we need to do it now vs in a later version?
14:35:01 <Zakim> -Johannes
14:35:02 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:35:18 <shadi> third, will these features be implemented by the group?
14:35:38 <shadi> SAZ: think about it, we'll talk more about it next week
14:35:43 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:35:57 <shadi> zakim, drop carlosi
14:35:57 <Zakim> Carlos_Iglesias is being disconnected
14:35:58 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:36:00 <Zakim> Attendees were Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, Johannes, +49.715.aaaa, Shadi, CarlosV, Carlos_Iglesias
14:36:05 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:36:12 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
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14:36:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/12-er-minutes.html shadi
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