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<shawn> hi Jack. I just set everything up.
<shawn> scribe: Jack
Shawn: Review agenda
Shawn: Reviews main changes and would like comments on 1st paragraph
Liam: Reads well.
Lisa: Reads well. AJAX should be in all caps
<shawn> ACTION: Shawn, note in style guide Ajax vs. AJAX [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action01]
Liam: Does it define or describe?
Shawn: The word define is OK given that it prescribes
<shawn> ACTION: Liam, WAI-ARIA OVerview: get the image to show up in Firefox, and test on other browsers and platforms. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action02]
Shawn: still need to get it to
work on Firefox and test on other brousers
... Took full name out of title
... Next steps is to send it to the protocols and formats working group and then post it, no annoucement, but they will have the current version
November sent responses to comments for WCAG 2, opportunity for review, but need a quick turn around time
Shawn: busy agenda for next week,
set aside time for reviewing during the week
... Reviews direction for ARIA,
<shawn> WCAG 2.0 update: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/wcag2faq#update1
Lisa: Provides details about changes
Shawn: The ARIA FAQ should match
the schedule for when they publish at the start of the
... overlap of Mobile Web Best Practices and accessibility
Alan: time frame for next update, probably Monday or Tuesday
<shawn> requirements: http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-mwbp-wcag
<shawn> latest version: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20071125.html
Shawn: talks about taking information from introduction to separate document
justin: explains idea he has of
breaking this is a technical document and pulling information
to a separate document
... brief introduction, for more information, read 'this' with a link
Shawn: Justin how will you and Alan coordinate about the latest version
Alan: Talks about changes to document
Justing: I'll review current version and contact with Alan
Shawn: Will check with Mike Smith
about posting latest versions that posts
... Reviews schedule will meet on December 7, 14 not sure about the 21st but probably
Shawn: Shares Alan's summary list of names
Alan: Reviews lists of names and acronoyms
<shawn> summary: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2007OctDec/0143.html
<shawn> Lisa: Accessible Content for Mobile Experiences (ACME), WAMO Web Accessibility / Mobile Overlap
Lisa: Would pick ACME or WOMA
<shawn> Jack: MOBACC Mobile / Web Accessibility
Liam: all seem OK
<shawn> Justin: How Web Accessibility & Mobile Web Overlap
Justin: not sure if we need an acronomym, prefers title
Doyle: Agrees with Justin that we may not need acronym, use is troubling issue for many people, need something short
<Zakim> LiamMcGee, you wanted to suggest genius idea
Sylvia: Prefers short title,
<LiamMcGee> Suggest MObile Guidelines from WAi: MOGWAI.
<LiamMcGee> Suggest that the word should be a pre-existing word.
Liam: Prefers title, if acronym is used perhas MOGWAI
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say "Acme" means generic and to suggest a subtitle
Shawn: may want a subtitle
... Other comments on document title or aconomyms
... Alan and Justin will take suggestions and discussion and come up with a suggestion
Alan: Asks question about any input about the need for a summary table
Shawn and Justin think it might be useful
shawn: wants list that goes from wcag to mobile web best practices and also going from the other side
shawn and liam discuss list, how it would structured, length, content, whether it should be a separate document, how similiar the requirements from one to the other
Sharon: would like us to focus of 2, 3, and 11
Jack and Liam think 2 is OK.
Lisa: problem with the word 'devices'
Sharon: would 'object' work?
Lisa, Doyle, agree with word 'object'
<shawn> ACTION: Shawn, fix Nav for WAI-ARIA FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action03]
shawn: concerned about overlap with between overview and FAQ
<shawn> ACTION: Shawn & Sharon: WAI-ARIA FAQ: consider Page 1 and Page 2 for Overview & FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action04]
Shawn: gives specific suggestions for #2
discussion about question #3
shawn: include a pointer to a
... a draft is available, it is not complete, some brousers are supporting it now; add a question about 'what should I being doing now as a developer?'
... fairly complete draft is availble and it stable
liam: how stable is it?
lisa: talks about what is stable and what is going to change
<LiamMcGee> Developers - yes, its stable, go implement it.
<LiamMcGee> AT makers - still some details being ironed out, come talk to us
<LiamMcGee> Browser makers - ditto
<LiamMcGee> Developers - you can implement right now. If you want a helping hand, we're scheduling 'XFORMS for Dummies' for February. Clcik here to be emailed when it's ready.
Sharon: wants to discuss #11
<shawn> ACTION: Shawn and Sharron: think about what what to say about docs as they exists versus documents that we're planning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action05]
Lisa: sends sharon an email with documents in the suite
<LiamMcGee> Unless you're really *good* at web developer, in which case you should be able to do it without handholding.
Sharon: general question - are there things that aren't here that should be included
groupd talks about question 5
Justin: take out the 1st sentence
Move # 5 up and as well as #6
Justin: Question 6 may need to
change the question, point to primer
... how will WAI-ARIA affect my java scripts?
Liam: material good but the question needs to be changed
<Zakim> LiamMcGee, you wanted to suggest question: What new mark-up does WAI-ARIA offer developers?
Discussion about bulleted list
Lisa: will work to rewrite that one
Discussion with Laim and Lisa about key bindings related to last bullet
Liam: some questions answer the question clearly upfront and then elaborate. Great style, if it could used more with other questions, that would be great
<shawn> ACTION: Sharron: WAI-ARIA. Front load the answers. E.g., 4: start with something like: "There are no problems." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action06]
Liam: Single phrase answer and then expension
<shawn> ACTION: Sharron: FAQ answers: Short answer (bolded maybe), expansion, (and where to go for more info, where appropraite.)) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/30-eo-minutes.html#action07]
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