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19:00:47 <Zakim> + +1.603.823.aabb
19:00:49 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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19:01:02 <ginny> zakim, aabb is me
19:01:02 <Zakim> +ginny; got it
19:01:09 <Zakim> +Sandy
19:01:24 <Kirk> zakim, aabb is me
19:01:24 <Zakim> sorry, Kirk, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
19:01:30 <Zakim> + +1.303.495.aacc
19:01:35 <ginny> zakim, aaaa is me
19:01:35 <Zakim> +ginny; got it
19:01:38 <MSM> zakim, ginny is really Kirk
19:01:38 <Zakim> +Kirk; got it
19:01:44 <Jordan> zakim, aacc is me
19:01:44 <Zakim> +Jordan; got it
19:01:47 <MSM> zakim, who's here?
19:01:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see MSM, ginny.a, [Microsoft], Kirk, Sandy, Jordan
19:01:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jordan, pratul, RRSAgent, Zakim, Sandy, Kirk, MSM, ginny, trackbot-ng
19:01:49 <Valentina> Valentina has joined #sml
19:01:56 <pratul> zakim, Microsoft is me
19:01:56 <Zakim> +pratul; got it
19:01:59 <Zakim> + +1.845.433.aadd
19:02:14 <MSM> mute ginny.a
19:02:32 <MSM> zakim, who's muted
19:02:32 <Zakim> MSM, you need to end that query with '?'
19:02:35 <MSM> zakim, who's muted?
19:02:35 <Zakim> I see no one muted
19:02:41 <Zakim> + +1.416.386.aaee
19:02:41 <MSM> zakim, mute ginny.a
19:02:42 <Zakim> ginny.a should now be muted
19:02:49 <Valentina> zakim, aaee is me
19:02:49 <Zakim> +Valentina; got it
19:02:53 <MSM> zakim, unmute ginny
19:02:53 <Zakim> ginny.a should no longer be muted
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19:03:29 <johnarwe> zakim, who's here?
19:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see MSM, ginny.a, pratul, Kirk, Sandy, Jordan, +1.845.433.aadd, Valentina
19:03:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see johnarwe, Valentina, Jordan, pratul, RRSAgent, Zakim, Sandy, Kirk, MSM, ginny, trackbot-ng
19:03:37 <johnarwe> zakim, aadd is me
19:03:37 <Zakim> +johnarwe; got it
19:03:38 <MSM> zakim, mute Kirk
19:03:39 <Zakim> Kirk should now be muted
19:03:44 <MSM> zakim, unmute Kirk
19:03:44 <Zakim> Kirk should no longer be muted
19:05:43 <Jordan> i'm here, too ;-)
19:06:41 <Sandy> meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2007-11-29
19:06:46 <Sandy> scribe: Sandy Gao
19:06:50 <Sandy> scribenick: Sandy
19:07:00 <Sandy> chair: John Arwe
19:07:29 <Sandy> topic: Approval of minutes from previous meeting
19:07:32 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:08:29 <Kumar> Kumar has joined #sml
19:08:57 <johnarwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Nov/0301.html
19:09:27 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: approve meeting minutes from 11/26 at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Nov/0301.html.
19:09:35 <Sandy> topic: Upcoming meetings
19:10:32 <Sandy> John: Jan.08 local arrangement page not available yet.
19:11:16 <Sandy> John: SML needs to decide whether we want to attend Tue. activity.
19:13:05 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG believes we have enough meeting time even if we finish early on Tue. and attend the activity.
19:13:13 <Sandy> topic: Action items
19:13:56 <Sandy> 139: reassigned to Kumar
19:15:10 <Sandy> 153: reassigned to Ginny
19:15:49 <Sandy> topic: Review bugs with no keywords or target
19:16:40 <Sandy> 5283 "interchange set" or "interchange model"
19:17:07 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: postpone. set target milestone to "CR".
19:18:21 <Sandy> topic: fragments bug(s) 4636, 4656
19:25:21 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG approves changes suggested in comment #8 of bug 4656. Change 4656 to "resolved+fixed".
19:26:19 <Sandy> s/ 4636, 4656/
19:26:45 <Sandy> rrsagent, make log public
19:26:50 <Sandy> rrsagent, generate minutes
19:26:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/29-sml-minutes.html Sandy
19:27:23 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WONTFIX for 4657
19:28:33 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WONTFIX for 5133
19:29:03 <Sandy> topic: "data" bugs
19:31:42 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG approves changes suggested in comment #5 of bug 5272. Change 5272 to "resolved+fixed".
19:32:19 <Sandy> topic: "schema" bugs
19:35:14 <Sandy> MSM: suggest to change "may not be able" to "may be unable", because "may not" could be read as "must not".
19:35:56 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG approves changes suggested in comment #2 of bug 5178, with MSM's above amendment. Change 5178 to "resolved+fixed".
19:39:49 <Sandy> SG: About the question raised in comment #5, suggest to add back the attribute wildcard to "dataType".
19:40:11 <Sandy> s/comment #5/comment #5 of bug 4770
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19:40:43 <Zakim> +Zulah_Eckert
19:42:13 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comment #4 and #5 of 4770, as well as the change suggested above to add back the attribute wildcard to "dataType".
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19:46:08 <Sandy> Ginny: propo
19:46:47 <Sandy> s/propo/the proposal in comment #6 of bug 4774, why ignore schemaLocation on imports?
19:48:42 <Sandy> Sandy: schema allows different behaviors regarding <import> handling. here we try to prescribe a deterministic approach for assembling schemas.
19:49:22 <Sandy> MSM: why make <schemaBindings> optional?
19:49:39 <Sandy> Ginny: and what impact does it have to inter-op?
19:50:44 <Sandy> John: A compromise to help existing implementations.
19:53:27 <Sandy> Ginny: what problems did <schemaBindgins> try to solve?
19:53:53 <Sandy> John: multiple versions, chameleon includes, schema document exchange etc.
19:54:32 <Sandy> John: for most cases, workaround is available.
19:56:05 <Sandy> MSM: a little uneasy about <schemaBindings> being optional.
19:56:24 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comment #6 of bug 4774.
19:57:14 <Sandy> topic: EPR bugs
20:00:52 <Sandy> Zulah: question about the EPR proposal. don't understand why we need EPR in additional to URI scheme.
20:03:37 <Sandy> Kirk: Valentina sent out use cases earlier. linked from comment #1 in bug 4637.
20:04:23 <Sandy> Ginny: for guaranteed inter-op, SML URI scheme should be used.
20:04:50 <Sandy> We will defer this bug till the call next Monday. Zulah will study Kirk's proposal and Valentina's use cases and post her comments before then.
20:06:02 <Sandy> Pratul: do other people have comments on the EPR proposal?
20:08:28 <Sandy> Ginny: also wondering whether we need to include ERP in our spec. So only include URI schema.
20:08:52 <Sandy> Zulah: I share Ginny's concern.
20:10:18 <Sandy> Kirk: Certain EPR can provide inter-op.
20:12:06 <Sandy> Ginny: level 1 and level 2 in IF affects inter-op.
20:12:47 <Sandy> John: level 2 allows cross-vendor inter-op; level 1 allows intra-vendor interchange without having to always use the URI scheme.
20:14:12 <Sandy> Pratul: level 1 and 2 apply to documents, not producer/consumers.
20:18:02 <Sandy> Will put this on the agenda for next Monday.
20:18:24 <Sandy> topic: identity constraint bugs
20:20:58 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG approves changes suggested in comment #4 of bug 5024. Change 5024 to "resolved+fixed".
20:27:30 <Sandy> Ginny: about 4995, trying to see whether the "ref" attribute can be used to reduce the need to duplicate keys. if so, may be able to live with "scope".
20:28:14 <Sandy> Kumar: "scope" is a big implementation burden. can be added in a later version, which is not a breaking change.
20:30:29 <Sandy> Kumar: and it can be worked around in most cases by using existing mechanisms.
20:30:56 <Zakim> -Zulah_Eckert
20:31:02 <Sandy> Ginny: not completely satisfied, but can live with not having "scope".
20:32:27 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: won't fix for 4995.
20:33:57 <Sandy> topic: DTD handling 4687
20:39:26 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comments #6, #7, and the amendment in #9, of 4687.
20:40:18 <Sandy> Editors should make sure the amendment in comment #9 is clearly specified in the wording.
20:40:49 <Sandy> topic: localization bugs
20:41:03 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comments #2 of 4772.
20:41:23 <Sandy> topic: cycle bugs
20:44:30 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comments #15 of 4639.
20:46:20 <Sandy> John: suggest to make 5108 dependent on 4793.
20:47:15 <Sandy> ... and mark 5108 as editorial.
20:51:09 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: make 5108 editorial and depend on 4793.
20:52:55 <Sandy> topic: 5181 xml base
20:55:39 <Sandy> Kumar: when for bullet 3.d, when the primary alias is absolute, then the IF baseURI is ignored.
20:56:45 <Sandy> Sandy: would help to have a conceptual alias, which is always absolute. if the syntax to specify an alias is relative, then it is absolutized using the IF-wide baseURI.
20:57:00 <Sandy> ... then whenever we talk about "alias", it's always absolute.
21:00:30 <Sandy> MSM: maybe we can specify that xml:base can only appear once in SML-IF document, then we don't need to invent our own baseURI element.
21:01:27 <Zakim> -pratul
21:01:38 <Zakim> -Kirk
21:01:40 <Zakim> -Jordan
21:01:42 <Zakim> -ginny.a
21:01:43 <Zakim> -johnarwe
21:01:44 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:01:46 <Zakim> -Sandy
21:01:47 <Zakim> -Valentina
21:01:47 <Zakim> -MSM
21:01:49 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
21:01:51 <Zakim> Attendees were MSM, +1.530.823.aaaa, +1.603.823.aabb, Sandy, +1.303.495.aacc, Kirk, Jordan, pratul, +1.845.433.aadd, +1.416.386.aaee, Valentina, johnarwe, [Microsoft], Zulah_Eckert
21:02:06 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: accept proposal in comment #4 of 5181, as clarified above.
21:02:20 <Sandy> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:02:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/29-sml-minutes.html Sandy
21:07:27 <Sandy> rrsagent, bye
21:07:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items