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16:55:45 RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:55:48 Zakim, this will be HTML
16:55:48 ok, trackbot-ng, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:55:50 Meeting: HTML Issue Tracking Teleconference
16:55:52 Date: 29 November 2007
16:56:04 Meeting: HTML WG Weekly
16:58:35 that interface is pretty intimdating. it should list at least a handful of tools on the cover page
16:58:44 +[Microsoft]
16:58:47 -??P2
16:58:48 +??P2
16:58:59 Zakim, Microsoft is me
16:58:59 +ChrisWilson; got it
16:59:09 it used to be a lot more user-friendly -- methinks i detect an unmaintained, unowned resource...
16:59:22 Zakim, pointer?
16:59:22 I don't understand your question, Lachy.
16:59:29 Zakim, passcode?
16:59:29 the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Lachy
16:59:51 + +49.251.280.aaaa
17:00:02 darn; didn't get around to hacking on magic namespaces. :-/
17:00:07 Zakim, agenda?
17:00:07 I see nothing on the agenda
17:00:24 let alone prep for TAG discussion of namespaceDocument-8 that immediately follows this telcon
17:00:29 +Gregory_Rosmiata
17:00:39 Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:00:39 On the phone I see ??P2, ChrisWilson, +49.251.280.aaaa, Gregory_Rosmiata
17:00:47 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Nov/0405.html
17:01:04 +[LC]
17:01:18 (that's the archival agenda; http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda is probably more useful during the meeting; see /topic)
17:01:19 Zakim, 49.251.280.aaaa is Julian
17:01:19 sorry, ChrisWilson, I do not recognize a party named '49.251.280.aaaa'
17:01:26 + +047236aabb
17:01:32 Zakim, aaaa is Julian
17:01:32 +Julian; got it
17:01:38 +DanC
17:01:38 Zakim, I am aabb
17:01:39 +Lachy; got it
17:01:56 Zakim, ??P2 is MikeSmith
17:01:56 +MikeSmith; got it
17:01:58 -Lachy
17:02:01 Still looking for a volunteer to scribe?
17:02:09 Zakim, pick a scribe
17:02:09 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Julian
17:02:25 I'm chairing
17:02:29 Zakim, pick a scribe
17:02:29 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MikeSmith
17:02:37 heh
17:02:39 Chair: ChrisWilson
17:02:41 figures
17:02:45 Zakim hates me
17:02:55 Scribenick: MikeSmith
17:02:59 Scribe: MikeSmith
17:03:01 +Lachy
17:03:16 zakim, Gregory_Rosmiata is Gregory_Rosmaita
17:03:16 +Gregory_Rosmaita; got it
17:03:16 RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:03:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/29-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
17:03:23 Zakim, who is on the phone?
17:03:23 On the phone I see MikeSmith, ChrisWilson, Julian, Gregory_Rosmaita, [LC], DanC, +047236aacc
17:03:26 zakim, mute me
17:03:26 sorry, oedipus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:03:31 zakim, mute oedipus
17:03:32 sorry, oedipus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to oedipus
17:03:41 zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita
17:03:41 Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted
17:04:23 Topic: Open Action Items
17:05:10 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
17:05:54 GJR: notes that PF has invited simon pieters to join to expedite the process
17:05:58 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/8
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17:06:20 "Discuss with PFWG role attribute vs aria attribute", on Michael Cooper
17:06:24 I updated actions/8
17:06:55 keeping Action 8 open pending more talk with Michael Cooper
17:07:06 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/13
17:07:27 "Talk to WebAPI and WAF WGs about their role in offline API stuff and how they work with and contribute to the discussion", on chaals
17:07:46 last PF WG meeting (MC's action discussed) - member confidential archive: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/26-pf-minutes.html
17:08:08 ChrisW will bring up with HCG
17:08:19 updated actions/13 reassigned to ChrisW, due 13 Dec
17:08:30 s/bring up/bring up Action 13/
17:08:39 ChrisWilson : what prompted this action?
17:08:58 DanC: yeah, Saturday f2f discussion about offline Web apps
17:09:05 zakim, unmute Gregory_Rosmaita
17:09:05 Gregory_Rosmaita should no longer be muted
17:09:07 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
17:09:18 "coordinate comparative tests using competing ARIA proposals"
17:09:31 oedipus - ran into problem with chair of PF group ...
17:09:43 ... they think it's an "undue burden"
17:09:56 ... there's a push to get it resolved ...
17:10:33 ... tomorrow morning there is a meeting with zcorpan (Simon Pieters) to discuss adoption of his ARIA proposal ...
17:10:38 (meeting tomorrow? a pointer to mail from whoever is running that meeting would be handy)
17:10:55 (er... are we talking about aria-role in substance here or just updating the action status?)
17:11:22 oedipus : OK to [declare] a role without declaring a namespace (they agreed to this compromise)
17:11:28 agenda + ISSUE-14 aria-role
17:11:41 oedipus : have been working with XHTML2 people ...
17:11:46 DanC, http://www.w3.org/mid/p06110409c3749ffc266b@%5B192.168.1.102%5D
17:11:50 ... now need to broker with developers ...
17:12:19 oedipus : I can report back about this [after the meeting tomorrow]
17:12:30 (which we agreed?)
17:12:33 ChrisWilson : DanC you noted that you wanted examples
17:12:37 DanC : yep
17:12:38 (I got the pointers I needed.)
17:13:26 (3 meetings GR just mentioned... pointers please)
17:13:30 Zakim, aacc is Lachy
17:13:30 +Lachy; got it
17:13:54 friday 30 november 2007 - meeting with simon pieters http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2007OctDec/0257.html
17:14:38 Zakim, aacc is not Lachy
17:14:38 I don't understand 'aacc is not Lachy', MikeSmith
17:14:42 I marked ACTION-23 witdrawn
17:15:14 ACTION: Gregory to report back after 11-30 meeting on ARIA syntax
17:15:14 Created ACTION-30 - Report back after 11-30 meeting on ARIA syntax [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2007-12-06].
17:15:40 DanC : W3C process requires 7-day notice for meetings
17:16:06 oedipus : this is an attempt to work with the vendors who are supportive of ARIA
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17:17:11 q+ to note regrets for next week 6 Dec
17:17:23 Zakim, mute me
17:17:23 Lachy should now be muted
17:17:30 [discussion of getting "PF ducks in a row" and "mutual reality check"
17:17:32 zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita
17:17:32 Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted
17:17:34 ack danc
17:17:34 DanC, you wanted to note regrets for next week 6 Dec
17:17:50 DanC notes he won't be here next week; ChrisWilson will chair again
17:17:55 next meeting: 6 Dec, Chris W to chair
17:18:21 [moving on to discussion of Pending Review AIs]
17:18:41 Topic: Issue 7, Video Codecs
17:19:06 s/Issue 7/Issue 4/
17:19:08 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Nov/0153.html [homework] summary of the video (and audio) codec discussion
17:19:11 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
17:19:21 ChrisWilson : this seems complete[d]
17:19:32 DanC will be at the Video Workshop
17:19:47 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Nov/0153.html
17:20:05 above is posting from Dave Singer
17:20:38 ACTION: Dan see that Singer's summary makes it to the SJC/Dec W3C video workshop, possibly by confirming Singer's attendance
17:20:38 Created ACTION-31 - See that Singer's summary makes it to the SJC/Dec W3C video workshop, possibly by confirming Singer's attendance [on Dan Connolly - due 2007-12-06].
17:21:32 Topic: ACTION 5, task force for developer community outreach (on Karl)
17:21:43 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/5
17:21:54 q+ to comment on Karl's proposal
17:22:26 Zakim, unmute me
17:22:26 Lachy should no longer be muted
17:22:43 fyi: Dave Singer's email was tacked on to the issue for video-codecs: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/7
17:23:03 ack MikeSmith
17:23:03 MikeSmith, you wanted to comment on Karl's proposal
17:23:41 ok by me, action done... now what next... a note and a wiki topic look OK to me
17:24:06 q+ to note another idea: an edited series of blog articles
17:24:31 Lachy - I'm trying to incorporate Karl's proposal into my draft ...
17:24:46 ... as well as stuff from Roger
17:25:19 ok: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/5 Product HTML 5 authoring guidelines
17:26:37 yeah, not a good name. Mike to fix
17:26:57 (did lachy take an action)
17:26:58 ACTION: MikeSmith to change the product name of "HTML 5 authoring guidelines" in the tracker to sometthing else, eventually
17:26:58 Sorry, couldn't find user - MikeSmith
17:27:11 ACTION: Michael(tm) to change the product name of "HTML 5 authoring guidelines" in the tracker to sometthing else, eventually
17:27:11 Created ACTION-32 - Change the product name of \"HTML 5 authoring guidelines\" in the tracker to sometthing else, eventually [on Michael(tm) Smith - due 2007-12-06].
17:27:36 DanC, what action would you like me to take?
17:27:48 Topic: canvas survey questions
17:27:49 good question. maybe none, for now
17:27:56 ok
17:28:07 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/req-gapi-canvas/
17:28:47 trackbot-ng, status
17:29:28 . ACTION: Lachy prepare web developer guide for publication as a Note
17:29:51 yup, regular web pages or blogs are fine by me
17:30:35 Justin: [suggestion about considering blog items]
17:33:26 DanC - I consider the series-of-blog items to be a fairly definitive way of publishing this kind of information.
17:33:54 s/definitive/comfortable/
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17:34:57 ACTION: Lachy prepare web developer guide for publication as a Note
17:34:57 Sorry, couldn't find user - Lachy
17:35:12 ACTION: Lachy prepare web developer guide, maybe as a Note, maybe other
17:35:12 Sorry, couldn't find user - Lachy
17:35:18 (
17:35:37 (Lachy, can I add you to the issue tracking task force? i.e. will you be in touch with the chairs regularly?)
17:36:17 Lachy : we want to be able to update the info after we publish it
17:36:44 That's possible with a Note
17:36:46 (i.e. the content will change as the HTML5 spec changes)
17:36:47 (I presume so...)
17:36:50 You just publish another one Note
17:36:55 sure
17:36:57 s/one //
17:37:01 ... blogs are good for describing current state of things but not for things that need to be updated
17:37:01 trackbot-ng, status
17:38:09 ACTION: ChrisWilson to investigate an HTML WG blog, a la the way the I18N WG does it
17:38:09 Created ACTION-33 - Investigate an HTML WG blog, a la the way the I18N WG does it [on Chris Wilson - due 2007-12-06].
17:38:15 due jan
17:40:00 Zakim, who's making noise?
17:40:11 DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MikeSmith (9%), ChrisWilson (9%), Lachy (13%), DanC (13%)
17:40:13 trackbot-ng, status
17:40:22 trackbot-ng, reboot
17:40:26 Zakim, mute me
17:40:26 Lachy should now be muted
17:40:29 trackbot-ng, reload
17:40:29 Reloading Tracker config
17:40:29 Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
17:40:32 trackbot-ng, status
17:40:37 Any interest in discussing any of the other open issues that have seen recent discussion?
17:40:45 (or haven't seen recent discussion?)
17:40:48 DanC - yu can assign that issue to Lachlan now
17:40:55 GJR: would like a continuation on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/24 - i've noted in the tracker the steps taken so far, and am in the process of finalizing a tweaked stylesheet for review
17:41:33 s/Any interest/Topic: Other current issues being discussion on public-html/
17:42:15 [discussion of nonconformance of the style attribute in HTML]
17:42:30 s/HTML]/HTML5]/
17:42:54 ChrisWilson : how are we tracking follow-up and resolution on these issues?
17:43:04 DanC : there is a new testing task force?
17:43:05 s /tracking/ensuring
17:43:17 q+ to talk about testsuite stuff
17:43:24 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/
17:44:26 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2007Nov/0001.html
17:44:36 q?
17:44:42 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/26
17:44:45 ack danc
17:44:45 DanC, you wanted to note another idea: an edited series of blog articles
17:44:52 above is about testsuite stuff
17:44:55 ack MikeSmith
17:44:55 MikeSmith, you wanted to talk about testsuite stuff
17:44:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-issue-tracking/2007Nov/0006.html
17:45:39 ah... test suite product is already there... http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/products/4
17:47:40 Tracker watching public-html; the public-issue-tracking is for discussing how we do issue tracking.
17:47:47 Above was DanC
17:48:05 Lachy: it was primarily for discussion of issues with the Tracker software... and yes... what ChrisWilson said.
17:48:24 ok, so it's not something I need to subscribe to (I'm on too many lists already :-))
17:48:33 I believe that is true, yes.
17:48:43 I don't think I'm subscribed.
17:48:46 We just didn't want to clutter public-html with noise on backoffice issues
17:48:55 No, I didn't.
17:50:03 [discussion about mailing lists and interaction with tracker:
17:50:09 Any other issues?
17:50:15 Motion to adjourn?
17:50:25 bye
17:50:26 c u
17:50:29 -Julian
17:50:29 bye
17:50:31 -Lachy
17:50:34 -[LC]
17:50:35 -Gregory_Rosmaita
17:50:41 [no objections to adjourning heard]
17:50:52 ADJOURN
17:50:58 cheers for meetings that don't go a full hour
17:51:01 Thanks ChrisWilson
17:51:02 (DanC seconded)
17:51:14 heh. Apparently I should chair more often. Don't tell Dan.
17:51:18 -MikeSmith
17:51:42 tracker's agenda-building support is really working well
17:51:49 RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:51:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/29-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
17:51:56 -ChrisWilson
17:52:11 DanC - yeah, thanks to systeam and to Dom in particular probably for the new features
17:53:37 you are charing more often, ChrisWilson . for which, thanks.
17:55:13 RRSAgent, pointer?
17:55:13 See http://www.w3.org/2007/11/29-html-wg-irc#T17-55-13
18:35:01 disconnecting the lone participant, DanC, in HTML_WG()12:00PM
18:35:02 HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
18:35:06 Attendees were ChrisWilson, +49.251.280.aaaa, [LC], +047236aabb, Julian, DanC, Lachy, MikeSmith, Gregory_Rosmaita
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