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14:51:29 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
14:51:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:51:31 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:51:33 <trackbot-ng> Date: 29 November 2007
14:52:17 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2007Nov/0008.html
14:52:20 <dom> Chair: Jo
14:53:16 <dom> Regrets: Bruno, PhilA, Adam, DanA
14:53:48 <jo> regrets+ Bryan
14:53:58 <chaals> chaals has joined #bpwg
14:54:14 <chaals> [I will be late joining :( ]
14:55:32 <dom> -> http://www.bnettv.com/player.php?id=864 Sean Owen on TV :)
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14:58:03 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started
14:58:10 <Zakim> + +1.519.880.aaaa
14:58:46 <kemp> i think the conference code on the website is wrong (BPWG != BCTF)
14:58:50 <dom> zakim, code?
14:58:50 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
14:59:12 <kemp> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/#teleconferences
14:59:19 <Zakim> +Dom
14:59:27 <kemp> Zakim: aaaa is kemp
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14:59:53 <dom> Zakim, aaaa is kemp
14:59:53 <Zakim> +kemp; got it
15:00:26 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
15:00:34 <kemp> clearly i'm the one that needs to work on the BPWG != BCTF inequality
15:00:52 <miguel> Zakim, [CTIC] is me
15:00:52 <Zakim> +miguel; got it
15:00:57 <Zakim> + +020899aabb
15:01:02 <jo> zakim, aabb is me
15:01:02 <Zakim> +jo; got it
15:01:22 <Zakim> + +1.781.267.aacc
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15:01:45 <Magnus> zakim, code?
15:01:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Magnus
15:02:25 <Zakim> + +46.3.17.47.aadd
15:02:34 <dom> zakim, aadd is Magnus
15:02:37 <Zakim> +Magnus; got it
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15:03:34 <miguel> Zakim, abel is with me
15:03:34 <Zakim> +abel; got it
15:03:53 <jo> zakim, who is on the call?
15:03:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see kemp, Dom, miguel, jo, +1.781.267.aacc, Magnus
15:03:54 <Zakim> miguel has miguel, abel
15:04:06 <dom> zakim, aacc is Shahriar
15:04:06 <Zakim> +Shahriar; got it
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15:04:22 <Zakim> + +079320aaee
15:04:35 <dom> zakim, aaee is rob
15:04:35 <Zakim> +rob; got it
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15:04:39 <Zakim> +Ed_Mitukiewicz
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15:05:16 <dom> Regrets+ Nacho
15:05:28 <jo> zakim, pick a victim
15:05:28 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose miguel
15:06:10 <Zakim> + +1.630.414.aaff
15:06:22 <dom> zakim, aaff is SeanP
15:06:22 <Zakim> +SeanP; got it
15:06:28 <dom> ScribeNick: kemp
15:06:36 <dom> Scribe: Aaron Kemp
15:06:43 <dom> Topic: Good standing
15:07:13 <kemp> jo: first off, good standing...  for this charter, we'll be more strict about maintaining records on good standing... wanted to make sure everyone was aware of that...
15:07:33 <Zakim> +??P22
15:07:45 <kemp> ... things like, if you are a member of the group, you need to answer to the surveys, come to teleconferences, etc... in the last charter, we ended up with lots of regrets all the time
15:07:51 <kemp> ... any comments about that?
15:07:55 <drooks> zakim, ??P22 is drooks
15:07:55 <Zakim> +drooks; got it
15:08:09 <jo> zakim, drooks
15:08:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'drooks', jo
15:08:37 <kemp> Magnus: i was a bit surprising to see how many were in bad standing in the group...  curious about how they got bad standing?
15:08:52 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=37584 Current view of the group
15:08:54 <kemp> jo: i think it was the crossover from the old charter to the new charter
15:09:19 <Zakim> +??P18
15:09:27 <chaals> zakim, ??p18 is really me
15:09:27 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:09:33 <kemp> dom: not quite sure where the bad standing stats come from... i think we should reset the flags and wait for us to define rules.  i'll clean up the list
15:09:36 <chaals> zakim, mute me please
15:09:36 <Zakim> chaals should now be muted
15:10:06 <kemp> jo: anything else on good standing?
15:10:43 <dom> Topic: CT Task force
15:11:02 <dom> [everybody is back in good standing for the time being]
15:11:04 <kemp> jo: reports from taskforces... from the content transformation group: we're still looking for a leader of the group... a new draft of the document should appear shortly (today/tomorrow)
15:11:17 <jo> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/latest CT Draft
15:11:46 <dom> Topic: checker TF
15:12:06 <kemp> jo: on to checker... sean is not here, so very briefly: a number of bugs have been worked through, work continuing... target of january for beta release
15:12:21 <dom> Topic: mobileOK Pro poll
15:12:33 <jo> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/MobileOK-Pro/ Poll
15:12:50 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/MobileOK-Pro/results results
15:14:01 <kemp> jo: according to the mobile OK pro poll, the answer is a fairly solid "yes"... since kai and archer are not on the call, there's not much we can say except that assuming we can find someone to act as leader, it looks like it is going ahead
15:14:20 <kemp> ... let's put it on hold until the next time kai is on the call to see if he wants to lead the TF
15:14:59 <chaals> ack me
15:15:23 <kemp> jo: has anyone had a chance to look at the accessibility document?
15:15:44 <jo> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/latest Document
15:16:06 <kemp> chaals: yes, i've sent some more comments...
15:16:13 <dom> Topic: Accessility doc
15:16:50 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20071125 Current latest version, dated Nov 25
15:16:53 <kemp> jo: my comment is that i'm not quite sure whether the target of the document is clearly focused.  it seems to be that it could be about a number of things and right now it's about a mixture of those things
15:17:04 <chaals> s/comments.../comments, and think that it is moving ahead steadily/
15:18:26 <jo> regrets+ bindu_rao
15:18:28 <kemp> chaals: i have a similar concern, i think it needs to be clearer about who it's for.  i think there are some things being fixed up that will help, but i think there is work to do.
15:19:13 <kemp> ... i think it's a big chunk of work, but don't think there is need for concern about the timeline, we raise issues and move forward
15:20:08 <kemp> jo: ok anything else? not sure where Alan is...
15:21:24 <kemp> ... ok, any other business?
15:22:31 <dom> agenda+ republication of mobileOK CR
15:23:15 <jo> q?
15:24:14 <kemp> dom: i found a small but annoying bug in the mobile OK spec: useragent string defined by the spec is not the one we had decided on a few months ago.
15:24:51 <kemp> ... given that websites are likely to fairly strictly match against the string, while the error is minor, it is a fairly serious bug.  so we are going to publish a new version tomorrow with a fix
15:24:57 <dom> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:24:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "republication of mobileOK CR" taken up [from dom]
15:25:12 <kemp> jo: ok thanks dom, so everyone make sure you are using the right string
15:25:42 <Zakim> -kemp
15:25:43 <Zakim> -rob
15:25:45 <Zakim> -Magnus
15:25:46 <Zakim> -Dom
15:25:47 <Zakim> -Shahriar
15:25:50 <Zakim> -drooks
15:25:51 <Zakim> -miguel
15:25:51 <Zakim> -jo
15:25:53 <Zakim> -SeanP
15:25:58 <Zakim> -Ed_Mitukiewicz
15:25:59 <Zakim> -chaals
15:26:01 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
15:26:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.519.880.aaaa, Dom, kemp, miguel, +020899aabb, jo, +1.781.267.aacc, +46.3.17.47.aadd, Magnus, abel, Shahriar, +079320aaee, rob, Ed_Mitukiewicz, +1.630.414.aaff,
15:26:04 <Zakim> ... SeanP, drooks, chaals
15:26:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/29-bpwg-minutes.html dom
15:26:14 <dom> Zakim, bye
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15:26:18 <jo> [sure Alan will be annoyed to have missed this slot to speak about the doc]
15:26:26 <jo> [thanks Aaron for scribing]
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15:34:57 <dom> hi achuter... we adjourned early :/
15:35:05 <dom> since we had no news from you
15:35:15 <dom> I guess the review of the document will have to wait until next week
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15:35:19 <dom> RRSAgent, bye
15:35:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items