IRC log of bpwg on 2007-11-29

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Zakim, this will be BPWG

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ok, trackbot-ng; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes

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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 29 November 2007

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2007Nov/0008.html

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Chair: Jo

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Regrets: Bruno, PhilA, Adam, DanA

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regrets+ Bryan

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[I will be late joining :( ]

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-> http://www.bnettv.com/player.php?id=864 Sean Owen on TV :)

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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started

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+ +1.519.880.aaaa

14:58:46 [kemp]

i think the conference code on the website is wrong (BPWG != BCTF)

14:58:50 [dom]

zakim, code?

14:58:50 [Zakim]

the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom

14:59:12 [kemp]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/#teleconferences

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+Dom

14:59:27 [kemp]

Zakim: aaaa is kemp

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Zakim, aaaa is kemp

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+kemp; got it

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+[CTIC]

15:00:34 [kemp]

clearly i'm the one that needs to work on the BPWG != BCTF inequality

15:00:52 [miguel]

Zakim, [CTIC] is me

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+miguel; got it

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+ +020899aabb

15:01:02 [jo]

zakim, aabb is me

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+jo; got it

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+ +1.781.267.aacc

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zakim, code?

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the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Magnus

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+ +46.3.17.47.aadd

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zakim, aadd is Magnus

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+Magnus; got it

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Zakim, abel is with me

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+abel; got it

15:03:53 [jo]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:03:53 [Zakim]

On the phone I see kemp, Dom, miguel, jo, +1.781.267.aacc, Magnus

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miguel has miguel, abel

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zakim, aacc is Shahriar

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+Shahriar; got it

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+ +079320aaee

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zakim, aaee is rob

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+rob; got it

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+Ed_Mitukiewicz

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Regrets+ Nacho

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zakim, pick a victim

15:05:28 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose miguel

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+ +1.630.414.aaff

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zakim, aaff is SeanP

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+SeanP; got it

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ScribeNick: kemp

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Scribe: Aaron Kemp

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Topic: Good standing

15:07:13 [kemp]

jo: first off, good standing... for this charter, we'll be more strict about maintaining records on good standing... wanted to make sure everyone was aware of that...

15:07:33 [Zakim]

+??P22

15:07:45 [kemp]

... things like, if you are a member of the group, you need to answer to the surveys, come to teleconferences, etc... in the last charter, we ended up with lots of regrets all the time

15:07:51 [kemp]

... any comments about that?

15:07:55 [drooks]

zakim, ??P22 is drooks

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+drooks; got it

15:08:09 [jo]

zakim, drooks

15:08:09 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'drooks', jo

15:08:37 [kemp]

Magnus: i was a bit surprising to see how many were in bad standing in the group... curious about how they got bad standing?

15:08:52 [dom]

-> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=37584 Current view of the group

15:08:54 [kemp]

jo: i think it was the crossover from the old charter to the new charter

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+??P18

15:09:27 [chaals]

zakim, ??p18 is really me

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+chaals; got it

15:09:33 [kemp]

dom: not quite sure where the bad standing stats come from... i think we should reset the flags and wait for us to define rules. i'll clean up the list

15:09:36 [chaals]

zakim, mute me please

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chaals should now be muted

15:10:06 [kemp]

jo: anything else on good standing?

15:10:43 [dom]

Topic: CT Task force

15:11:02 [dom]

[everybody is back in good standing for the time being]

15:11:04 [kemp]

jo: reports from taskforces... from the content transformation group: we're still looking for a leader of the group... a new draft of the document should appear shortly (today/tomorrow)

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/latest CT Draft

15:11:46 [dom]

Topic: checker TF

15:12:06 [kemp]

jo: on to checker... sean is not here, so very briefly: a number of bugs have been worked through, work continuing... target of january for beta release

15:12:21 [dom]

Topic: mobileOK Pro poll

15:12:33 [jo]

-> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/MobileOK-Pro/ Poll

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-> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/MobileOK-Pro/results results

15:14:01 [kemp]

jo: according to the mobile OK pro poll, the answer is a fairly solid "yes"... since kai and archer are not on the call, there's not much we can say except that assuming we can find someone to act as leader, it looks like it is going ahead

15:14:20 [kemp]

... let's put it on hold until the next time kai is on the call to see if he wants to lead the TF

15:14:59 [chaals]

ack me

15:15:23 [kemp]

jo: has anyone had a chance to look at the accessibility document?

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/latest Document

15:16:06 [kemp]

chaals: yes, i've sent some more comments...

15:16:13 [dom]

Topic: Accessility doc

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20071125 Current latest version, dated Nov 25

15:16:53 [kemp]

jo: my comment is that i'm not quite sure whether the target of the document is clearly focused. it seems to be that it could be about a number of things and right now it's about a mixture of those things

15:17:04 [chaals]

s/comments.../comments, and think that it is moving ahead steadily/

15:18:26 [jo]

regrets+ bindu_rao

15:18:28 [kemp]

chaals: i have a similar concern, i think it needs to be clearer about who it's for. i think there are some things being fixed up that will help, but i think there is work to do.

15:19:13 [kemp]

... i think it's a big chunk of work, but don't think there is need for concern about the timeline, we raise issues and move forward

15:20:08 [kemp]

jo: ok anything else? not sure where Alan is...

15:21:24 [kemp]

... ok, any other business?

15:22:31 [dom]

agenda+ republication of mobileOK CR

15:23:15 [jo]

q?

15:24:14 [kemp]

dom: i found a small but annoying bug in the mobile OK spec: useragent string defined by the spec is not the one we had decided on a few months ago.

15:24:51 [kemp]

... given that websites are likely to fairly strictly match against the string, while the error is minor, it is a fairly serious bug. so we are going to publish a new version tomorrow with a fix

15:24:57 [dom]

zakim, take up agendum 1

15:24:57 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "republication of mobileOK CR" taken up [from dom]

15:25:12 [kemp]

jo: ok thanks dom, so everyone make sure you are using the right string

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-kemp

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-rob

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-Magnus

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-Dom

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-Shahriar

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-drooks

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-miguel

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-jo

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-SeanP

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-Ed_Mitukiewicz

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-chaals

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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +1.519.880.aaaa, Dom, kemp, miguel, +020899aabb, jo, +1.781.267.aacc, +46.3.17.47.aadd, Magnus, abel, Shahriar, +079320aaee, rob, Ed_Mitukiewicz, +1.630.414.aaff,

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... SeanP, drooks, chaals

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/29-bpwg-minutes.html dom

15:26:14 [dom]

Zakim, bye

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15:26:18 [jo]

[sure Alan will be annoyed to have missed this slot to speak about the doc]

15:26:26 [jo]

[thanks Aaron for scribing]

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15:34:57 [dom]

hi achuter... we adjourned early :/

15:35:05 [dom]

since we had no news from you

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I guess the review of the document will have to wait until next week

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see no action items