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15:59:07 <Steven> rrsagent,make log public
15:59:12 <Steven> zakim, this will be forms
15:59:12 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
15:59:18 <Schnitz> zakim, code?
15:59:19 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
15:59:23 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:59:29 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
15:59:35 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
15:59:36 <Zakim> Attendees were 
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15:59:49 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
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15:59:56 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:00:01 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0091
16:00:01 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
16:00:01 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
16:00:15 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0091
16:00:21 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
16:00:21 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:00:24 <Zakim> +Steven
16:00:25 <John_Boyer> zakim, code?
16:00:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), John_Boyer
16:00:30 <Zakim> +unl
16:00:33 <Zakim> +??P13
16:00:34 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
16:00:46 <Zakim> +wellsk
16:00:47 <Schnitz> zakim, ??p13 is me
16:00:48 <Zakim> +Schnitz; got it
16:01:00 <Schnitz> zakim, who is making noise?
16:01:10 <Zakim> Schnitz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 6 (13%), Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse (12%), Schnitz (48%), wellsk (21%)
16:01:14 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:01:16 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:01:24 <Zakim> +??P17
16:01:35 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P17 is ebruchez
16:01:35 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
16:01:42 <unl> zakim, mute me
16:01:42 <Zakim> sorry, unl, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:01:50 <klotz> klotz has joined #forms
16:01:59 <Schnitz> john, why interesting?
16:02:00 <unl> zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
16:02:00 <Zakim> +unl; got it
16:02:21 <unl> zakim, mute me
16:02:21 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
16:02:21 <Schnitz> ah ok
16:02:32 <wellsk> zakim, who is here?
16:02:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, Steven, unl (muted), Schnitz (muted), John_Boyer, wellsk, ebruchez
16:02:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see klotz, wellsk, John_Boyer, ebruchez, RRSAgent, Zakim, CharlieWiecha, Schnitz, unl, Roger, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng, Steven
16:02:45 <Zakim> +Roger
16:02:55 <wellsk> zakim, mute me
16:02:55 <Zakim> wellsk should now be muted
16:03:10 <klotz> redialing
16:03:38 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
16:03:47 <Nick> zakim, code?
16:03:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Nick
16:04:01 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
16:04:28 <John_Boyer> scribe: Leigh
16:04:37 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:04:44 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:04:44 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:05:07 <Blake> Blake has joined #forms
16:05:46 <Zakim> +Blake
16:05:58 <wellsk> unoffical YAH!
16:06:42 <Schnitz> +1
16:06:53 <Schnitz> cool
16:06:56 <Schnitz> congrats
16:07:06 <Nick> could we have a quick look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0084.html
16:07:13 <Nick> about the actions
16:07:40 <Nick> zakim, unmute me
16:07:40 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
16:08:06 <Schnitz> I agree
16:08:14 <Schnitz> %-)
16:09:34 <Schnitz> ok
16:09:45 <Steven> ok
16:10:05 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Joern, MarkS
16:10:21 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
16:10:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, Steven, unl (muted), Schnitz (muted), John_Boyer, wellsk (muted), ebruchez, Roger, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Blake
16:10:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see Blake, Nick, klotz, wellsk, John_Boyer, ebruchez, RRSAgent, Zakim, CharlieWiecha, Schnitz, unl, Roger, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng, Steven
16:12:35 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
16:12:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:12:43 <Steven> q+ to ask about www.w3.org/TR/xforms 'Latest' link
16:13:11 <ebruchez> I think it is a good idea
16:13:19 <Zakim> +??P32
16:13:30 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
16:13:30 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
16:14:10 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:14:10 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:15:58 <Nick> you can get rrs
16:16:15 <Nick> maybe we should add the rss feed link to our homepage
16:16:18 <ebruchez> then we should send instructions to www-forms about how to subscribe to the RSS feed
16:17:12 <Nick> fo all lists there is a link to the rss feed on the homepage but NOT for public-forms@w3.org
16:17:22 <Nick> s/fo/for/
16:17:28 <Nick> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/#www-forms
16:17:54 <Nick> link needs to be http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/feed.rss
16:18:07 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to update home page with link to RSS feed for public-forms.
16:18:07 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:18:07 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:18:32 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Nov/0000.html
16:18:41 <klotz> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to summarize group activity monthly to www-forms, starting this month, and include pointers to www-forms RSS feed and archives.
16:18:41 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-435 - Klotz to summarize group activity monthly to www-forms, starting this month, and include pointers to www-forms RSS feed and archives. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2007-12-05].
16:18:56 <Nick> uli replied, to it
16:19:14 <Nick> when you have async submission, a bit of a stretch
16:19:21 <unl> zakim, unmute me
16:19:21 <Zakim> unl should no longer be muted
16:19:22 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Nov/0004.html
16:19:48 <Schnitz> you may
16:19:59 <Schnitz> :-)
16:20:15 <Nick> agreed
16:20:27 <Nick> when you have a timer for example
16:20:39 <Nick> (relayed dispatch of events)
16:20:54 <Nick> s/relayed/delayed/
16:21:21 <markbirbeck> but if you do a setfocus, you'll get a DOMFocusIn event...if you do toggle you'll get selected.
16:21:30 <markbirbeck> ...err...exactly. :)
16:21:37 <Nick> ack, me
16:21:42 <Nick> ack me
16:22:13 <markbirbeck> q+
16:22:43 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:22:43 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
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16:24:57 <Nick> q- markbirbeck
16:25:07 <Steven> ack me
16:25:07 <Zakim> Steven, you wanted to ask about www.w3.org/TR/xforms 'Latest' link
16:25:12 <Steven> q+
16:25:35 <klotz> ACTION: Uli Liss&eacute; to respond to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Nov/0000.html
16:25:35 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Uli
16:25:43 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Mar/0060.html
16:26:39 <unl> zakim, mute me
16:26:39 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
16:27:45 <Nick> you can't embed that in an xml
16:33:10 <Nick> that was impression too
16:36:50 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
16:36:50 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
16:38:29 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:38:29 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:38:32 <Schnitz> :-)
16:38:36 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features
16:38:55 <Schnitz> (glad I asked before doing something wrong :-)
16:39:58 <markbirbeck> RFC3023 says "the use of the charset parameter is STRONGLY RECOMMENDED", and it also specifies a rule that "[i]f an application/xml entity is received where the charset parameter is omitted, no information is being provided about the charset by the MIME Content-Type header."
16:40:11 <Nick> xslt does go xslt1.0
16:40:20 <Nick> and latest is also go to 1.0
16:40:25 <markbirbeck> That's from http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/.
16:40:32 <Nick> s/go/goes/
16:41:13 <Nick> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt20/
16:41:25 <Nick> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath20/
16:41:58 <Nick> ack me
16:42:20 <markbirbeck> c.f. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3023.txt:
16:42:36 <markbirbeck> "8.20 INCONSISTENT EXAMPLE: Text/xml with UTF-8 Charset
16:42:37 <markbirbeck>    Content-type: text/xml; charset="utf-8"
16:42:37 <markbirbeck>    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
16:42:37 <markbirbeck>    Since the charset parameter is provided in the Content-Type header,
16:42:37 <markbirbeck>    MIME and XML processors MUST treat the enclosed entity as UTF-8
16:42:38 <markbirbeck>    encoded.  That is, the "iso-8859-1" encoding MUST be ignored.
16:42:39 <markbirbeck>    Processors generating XML MIME entities MUST NOT label conflicting
16:42:41 <markbirbeck>    charset information between the MIME Content-Type and the XML
16:42:43 <markbirbeck>    declaration."
16:43:01 <Nick> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/
16:43:54 <Nick> soonds good
16:44:05 <Nick> s/soonds/sounds/
16:44:46 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:44:46 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:48:23 <Nick> I made a section XForms simplification
16:48:34 <John_Boyer> 28http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features
16:48:39 <Nick> maybe this are candidates for XForms 1.2
16:48:49 <Nick> s/this/these/
16:50:17 <Nick> (I just moved them too the bottom, not creating pages for them)
16:50:26 <Nick> s/too/so/
16:50:35 <Nick> s/so/to/
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16:54:19 <Nick> ack me
16:54:29 <Steven> ack me
16:55:31 <Nick> szakim, mute me
16:55:35 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:55:35 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
17:00:26 <Nick> we currently don't support comm between models
17:00:37 <klotz> instances, not models
17:01:01 <Nick> before John, was saying as if they created seperate models
17:02:01 <Nick> instance() gets the deafult instance
17:04:25 <Nick> if you have xforms 1.1 then those will not work in 1.2
17:04:59 <Schnitz> thanks
17:05:00 <Roger> Roger has left #forms
17:05:00 <Schnitz> bye
17:05:01 <Zakim> -wellsk
17:05:03 <Nick> bye
17:05:04 <Zakim> -ebruchez
17:05:04 <CharlieWiecha> CharlieWiecha has left #forms
17:05:05 <Zakim> -Charlie
17:05:06 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
17:05:07 <Zakim> -Blake
17:05:08 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
17:05:09 <klotz> markbirbeck I put your remarks in the wiki.
17:05:11 <Zakim> -Steven
17:05:13 <Zakim> -unl
17:05:14 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
17:05:16 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
17:05:19 <Zakim> -Roger
17:05:19 <wellsk> wellsk has left #forms
17:05:23 <Zakim> -Schnitz
17:05:24 <Blake> Blake has left #forms
17:05:27 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
17:05:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Charlie, Steven, unl, John_Boyer, wellsk, Schnitz, ebruchez, Roger, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Blake, markbirbeck
17:07:02 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
17:07:06 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:07:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
17:07:10 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:07:10 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-actions.rdf :
17:07:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to update home page with link to RSS feed for public-forms. [1]
17:07:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-irc#T16-18-07
17:07:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to summarize group activity monthly to www-forms, starting this month, and include pointers to www-forms RSS feed and archives. [2]
17:07:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-irc#T16-18-41
17:07:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Uli Liss&eacute; to respond to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Nov/0000.html [3]
17:07:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-irc#T16-25-35