IRC log of forms on 2007-11-28
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-irc
- 15:59:07 [Steven]
- rrsagent,make log public
- 15:59:12 [Steven]
- zakim, this will be forms
- 15:59:12 [Zakim]
- ok, Steven; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
- 15:59:18 [Schnitz]
- zakim, code?
- 15:59:19 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
- 15:59:23 [Steven]
- Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
- 15:59:29 [Zakim]
- HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
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- HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were
- 15:59:48 [ebruchez]
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- HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
- 15:59:49 [John_Boyer]
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- 15:59:56 [Zakim]
- +[IBM]
- 16:00:01 [Steven]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0091
- 16:00:01 [CharlieWiecha]
- zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
- 16:00:01 [Zakim]
- +Charlie; got it
- 16:00:15 [Steven]
- Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0091
- 16:00:21 [Steven]
- zakim, dial steven-617
- 16:00:21 [Zakim]
- ok, Steven; the call is being made
- 16:00:24 [Zakim]
- +Steven
- 16:00:25 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, code?
- 16:00:25 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), John_Boyer
- 16:00:30 [Zakim]
- +unl
- 16:00:33 [Zakim]
- +??P13
- 16:00:34 [Zakim]
- +John_Boyer
- 16:00:46 [Zakim]
- +wellsk
- 16:00:47 [Schnitz]
- zakim, ??p13 is me
- 16:00:48 [Zakim]
- +Schnitz; got it
- 16:01:00 [Schnitz]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 16:01:10 [Zakim]
- Schnitz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 6 (13%), Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse (12%), Schnitz (48%), wellsk (21%)
- 16:01:14 [Schnitz]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:01:16 [Zakim]
- Schnitz should now be muted
- 16:01:24 [Zakim]
- +??P17
- 16:01:35 [ebruchez]
- zakim, ??P17 is ebruchez
- 16:01:35 [Zakim]
- +ebruchez; got it
- 16:01:42 [unl]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:01:42 [Zakim]
- sorry, unl, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 16:01:50 [klotz]
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- 16:01:59 [Schnitz]
- john, why interesting?
- 16:02:00 [unl]
- zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
- 16:02:00 [Zakim]
- +unl; got it
- 16:02:21 [unl]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:02:21 [Zakim]
- unl should now be muted
- 16:02:21 [Schnitz]
- ah ok
- 16:02:32 [wellsk]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:02:32 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Charlie, Steven, unl (muted), Schnitz (muted), John_Boyer, wellsk, ebruchez
- 16:02:35 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see klotz, wellsk, John_Boyer, ebruchez, RRSAgent, Zakim, CharlieWiecha, Schnitz, unl, Roger, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng, Steven
- 16:02:45 [Zakim]
- +Roger
- 16:02:55 [wellsk]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:02:55 [Zakim]
- wellsk should now be muted
- 16:03:10 [klotz]
- redialing
- 16:03:38 [Nick]
- Nick has joined #Forms
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- zakim, code?
- 16:03:47 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Nick
- 16:04:01 [Zakim]
- +Leigh_Klotz
- 16:04:28 [John_Boyer]
- scribe: Leigh
- 16:04:37 [Zakim]
- +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
- 16:04:44 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
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- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 16:05:07 [Blake]
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- +Blake
- 16:05:58 [wellsk]
- unoffical YAH!
- 16:06:42 [Schnitz]
- +1
- 16:06:53 [Schnitz]
- cool
- 16:06:56 [Schnitz]
- congrats
- 16:07:06 [Nick]
- could we have a quick look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0084.html
- 16:07:13 [Nick]
- about the actions
- 16:07:40 [Nick]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:07:40 [Zakim]
- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
- 16:08:06 [Schnitz]
- I agree
- 16:08:14 [Schnitz]
- %-)
- 16:09:34 [Schnitz]
- ok
- 16:09:45 [Steven]
- ok
- 16:10:05 [John_Boyer]
- Regrets: Joern, MarkS
- 16:10:21 [Steven]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:10:21 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Charlie, Steven, unl (muted), Schnitz (muted), John_Boyer, wellsk (muted), ebruchez, Roger, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Blake
- 16:10:25 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Blake, Nick, klotz, wellsk, John_Boyer, ebruchez, RRSAgent, Zakim, CharlieWiecha, Schnitz, unl, Roger, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng, Steven
- 16:12:35 [markbirbeck]
- zakim, code?
- 16:12:35 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
- 16:12:43 [Steven]
- q+ to ask about www.w3.org/TR/xforms 'Latest' link
- 16:13:11 [ebruchez]
- I think it is a good idea
- 16:13:19 [Zakim]
- +??P32
- 16:13:30 [markbirbeck]
- zakim, i am ?
- 16:13:30 [Zakim]
- +markbirbeck; got it
- 16:14:10 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:14:10 [Zakim]
- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 16:15:58 [Nick]
- you can get rrs
- 16:16:15 [Nick]
- maybe we should add the rss feed link to our homepage
- 16:16:18 [ebruchez]
- then we should send instructions to www-forms about how to subscribe to the RSS feed
- 16:17:12 [Nick]
- fo all lists there is a link to the rss feed on the homepage but NOT for public-forms@w3.org
- 16:17:22 [Nick]
- s/fo/for/
- 16:17:28 [Nick]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/#www-forms
- 16:17:54 [Nick]
- link needs to be http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/feed.rss
- 16:18:07 [klotz]
- ACTION: John Boyer to update home page with link to RSS feed for public-forms.
- 16:18:07 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
- 16:18:07 [trackbot-ng]
- Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
- 16:18:32 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Nov/0000.html
- 16:18:41 [klotz]
- ACTION: Leigh Klotz to summarize group activity monthly to www-forms, starting this month, and include pointers to www-forms RSS feed and archives.
- 16:18:41 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-435 - Klotz to summarize group activity monthly to www-forms, starting this month, and include pointers to www-forms RSS feed and archives. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2007-12-05].
- 16:18:56 [Nick]
- uli replied, to it
- 16:19:14 [Nick]
- when you have async submission, a bit of a stretch
- 16:19:21 [unl]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:19:21 [Zakim]
- unl should no longer be muted
- 16:19:22 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Nov/0004.html
- 16:19:48 [Schnitz]
- you may
- 16:19:59 [Schnitz]
- :-)
- 16:20:15 [Nick]
- agreed
- 16:20:27 [Nick]
- when you have a timer for example
- 16:20:39 [Nick]
- (relayed dispatch of events)
- 16:20:54 [Nick]
- s/relayed/delayed/
- 16:21:21 [markbirbeck]
- but if you do a setfocus, you'll get a DOMFocusIn event...if you do toggle you'll get selected.
- 16:21:30 [markbirbeck]
- ...err...exactly. :)
- 16:21:37 [Nick]
- ack, me
- 16:21:42 [Nick]
- ack me
- 16:22:13 [markbirbeck]
- q+
- 16:22:43 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
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- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 16:24:41 [brianlandau]
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- 16:24:57 [Nick]
- q- markbirbeck
- 16:25:07 [Steven]
- ack me
- 16:25:07 [Zakim]
- Steven, you wanted to ask about www.w3.org/TR/xforms 'Latest' link
- 16:25:12 [Steven]
- q+
- 16:25:35 [klotz]
- ACTION: Uli Lissé to respond to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Nov/0000.html
- 16:25:35 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - Uli
- 16:25:43 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Mar/0060.html
- 16:26:39 [unl]
- zakim, mute me
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- unl should now be muted
- 16:27:45 [Nick]
- you can't embed that in an xml
- 16:33:10 [Nick]
- that was impression too
- 16:36:50 [Schnitz]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:36:50 [Zakim]
- Schnitz should no longer be muted
- 16:38:29 [Schnitz]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:38:29 [Zakim]
- Schnitz should now be muted
- 16:38:32 [Schnitz]
- :-)
- 16:38:36 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features
- 16:38:55 [Schnitz]
- (glad I asked before doing something wrong :-)
- 16:39:58 [markbirbeck]
- RFC3023 says "the use of the charset parameter is STRONGLY RECOMMENDED", and it also specifies a rule that "[i]f an application/xml entity is received where the charset parameter is omitted, no information is being provided about the charset by the MIME Content-Type header."
- 16:40:11 [Nick]
- xslt does go xslt1.0
- 16:40:20 [Nick]
- and latest is also go to 1.0
- 16:40:25 [markbirbeck]
- That's from http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/.
- 16:40:32 [Nick]
- s/go/goes/
- 16:41:13 [Nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt20/
- 16:41:25 [Nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath20/
- 16:41:58 [Nick]
- ack me
- 16:42:20 [markbirbeck]
- c.f. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3023.txt:
- 16:42:36 [markbirbeck]
- "8.20 INCONSISTENT EXAMPLE: Text/xml with UTF-8 Charset
- 16:42:37 [markbirbeck]
- Content-type: text/xml; charset="utf-8"
- 16:42:37 [markbirbeck]
- <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
- 16:42:37 [markbirbeck]
- Since the charset parameter is provided in the Content-Type header,
- 16:42:37 [markbirbeck]
- MIME and XML processors MUST treat the enclosed entity as UTF-8
- 16:42:38 [markbirbeck]
- encoded. That is, the "iso-8859-1" encoding MUST be ignored.
- 16:42:39 [markbirbeck]
- Processors generating XML MIME entities MUST NOT label conflicting
- 16:42:41 [markbirbeck]
- charset information between the MIME Content-Type and the XML
- 16:42:43 [markbirbeck]
- declaration."
- 16:43:01 [Nick]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/
- 16:43:54 [Nick]
- soonds good
- 16:44:05 [Nick]
- s/soonds/sounds/
- 16:44:46 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:44:46 [Zakim]
- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 16:48:23 [Nick]
- I made a section XForms simplification
- 16:48:34 [John_Boyer]
- 28http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_Future_Features
- 16:48:39 [Nick]
- maybe this are candidates for XForms 1.2
- 16:48:49 [Nick]
- s/this/these/
- 16:50:17 [Nick]
- (I just moved them too the bottom, not creating pages for them)
- 16:50:26 [Nick]
- s/too/so/
- 16:50:35 [Nick]
- s/so/to/
- 16:50:40 [John_Boyer]
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- 16:54:19 [Nick]
- ack me
- 16:54:29 [Steven]
- ack me
- 16:55:31 [Nick]
- szakim, mute me
- 16:55:35 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:55:35 [Zakim]
- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 17:00:26 [Nick]
- we currently don't support comm between models
- 17:00:37 [klotz]
- instances, not models
- 17:01:01 [Nick]
- before John, was saying as if they created seperate models
- 17:02:01 [Nick]
- instance() gets the deafult instance
- 17:04:25 [Nick]
- if you have xforms 1.1 then those will not work in 1.2
- 17:04:59 [Schnitz]
- thanks
- 17:05:00 [Roger]
- Roger has left #forms
- 17:05:00 [Schnitz]
- bye
- 17:05:01 [Zakim]
- -wellsk
- 17:05:03 [Nick]
- bye
- 17:05:04 [Zakim]
- -ebruchez
- 17:05:04 [CharlieWiecha]
- CharlieWiecha has left #forms
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- -Charlie
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- -Leigh_Klotz
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- -Blake
- 17:05:08 [Zakim]
- -markbirbeck
- 17:05:09 [klotz]
- markbirbeck I put your remarks in the wiki.
- 17:05:11 [Zakim]
- -Steven
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- -unl
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- -John_Boyer
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- -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
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- -Roger
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- wellsk has left #forms
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- -Schnitz
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- Blake has left #forms
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- HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
- 17:05:29 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Charlie, Steven, unl, John_Boyer, wellsk, Schnitz, ebruchez, Roger, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Blake, markbirbeck
- 17:07:02 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 17:07:06 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 17:07:06 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
- 17:07:10 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, bye
- 17:07:10 [RRSAgent]
- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-actions.rdf :
- 17:07:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: John Boyer to update home page with link to RSS feed for public-forms. [1]
- 17:07:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-irc#T16-18-07
- 17:07:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Leigh Klotz to summarize group activity monthly to www-forms, starting this month, and include pointers to www-forms RSS feed and archives. [2]
- 17:07:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-irc#T16-18-41
- 17:07:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Uli Lissé to respond to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2007Nov/0000.html [3]
- 17:07:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-forms-irc#T16-25-35