IRC log of er on 2007-11-28

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13:16:38 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Nov/0021.html

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agenda+ Debrief from W3C Technical Plenary week

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agenda+ updated Editor's draft for HTTP Vocabulary in RDF

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agenda+ draft proposal for "Content-in-RDF" (working title)

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agenda+ update on "Pointer Methods in RDF" document

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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+Shadi

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+Daniel

13:37:17 [shadi]

zakim, daniel is really Johannes

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sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'daniel'

13:37:32 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:37:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

13:37:36 [JohannesK]

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13:37:42 [shadi]

zakim, klaus is really Johannes

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+Johannes; got it

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+Carlos_Iglesias

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regrets: CarlosV

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scribe: Johannes

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scribenick: JohannesK

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agenda?

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "Debrief from W3C Technical Plenary week" taken up [from shadi]

13:42:18 [JohannesK]

saz: WAI EOWG overlap of mobileOK and WCAG

13:42:38 [JohannesK]

saz: we may want to ask them to review EARL

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s/EARL/EARL Guide/

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saz: topics for TPAC day: HTML5, namespaces, openness, view on W3C from outside

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jk: audio recordings from TPAC day available

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saz: and transcriptions are being refined

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saz: POWDER WG want to add EARL example in POWDER document

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saz: ATAG WG - relation between authoring and evaluation, definition of manual/semiautomatic/automatic (we may want to do some minor changes here)

13:47:55 [JohannesK]

saz: ATAG - scope of authoring tool (everything is an AT)

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action: SAZ send description and draft response on POWDER to ERT WG mailing list

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action: SAZ send background information and notes from meeting with ATAG to ERT WG mailing list

13:50:26 [JohannesK]

saz: next TP is planned for early November 2008 in Paris; possible ERT F2F?

13:50:51 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

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agendum 2. "updated Editor's draft for HTTP Vocabulary in RDF" taken up [from shadi]

13:51:10 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Oct/0015

13:51:52 [JohannesK]

saz: any comments?

13:54:09 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20070914

13:55:44 [JohannesK]

saz: needs some cleaning (saz volunteers)

13:56:12 [JohannesK]

saz: apart from that looks quite stable, examples are helpful

14:02:04 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

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agendum 3. "draft proposal for "Content-in-RDF" (working title)" taken up [from shadi]

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Nov/0013

14:02:21 [JohannesK]

jk: HTTP-in-RDF has a "stable" structure using one namespace, but references resources from several files (statusCodes, headers, methods)

14:03:08 [JohannesK]

saz: Content-in-RDF is only a sceleton right now; focus on the concept

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ci: 2.1: What is "content"?

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ci: needs definition, culd be tricky

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s/culd/could/

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ci: Pointers vocabulary has a concept of snippets, but maybe snippets better fit in Content-in-RDF

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saz: attempts to define "content" fail miserably :-(

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saz: real meaning depends on the context

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saz: better use examples

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ci: snippets in Pointers could be dropped and Content could be used instead

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ci: could we subclass Content for DOM node uses? There was a proposal of DOM-in-RDF.

14:11:38 [shadi]

DOMContent Class

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subclass of XMLContent?

14:15:38 [JohannesK]

ci: DOM is not necessarily XML

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saz: we need to explore the idea of a DOMContent class

14:18:46 [shadi]

action: Johannes explore the idea of an DOMContent Class (as opposed to an DOM-in-RDF)

14:19:17 [JohannesK]

jk: it depends on use cases; what we want it to be used for, to look like

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saz: use case: evaluation tool gets DOM from browser, can record DOM for a test result

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saz: another use case: node with ID "bla" causes error

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saz: we may need a lot of properties/classes

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saz: so what is our sope, how far do we want to go?

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ci: use cases must be restricted on Content-in-RDF

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s/sope/scope/

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saz: postpone the scope discussion

14:26:48 [shadi]

action: SAZ send two or three use cases for DOM usage as content to the ERT WG mailing list

14:27:04 [JohannesK]

jk: I don't think it's DOMContent vs. DOM-in-RDF; maybe DOMContent is a full-blown DOM-in-RDF with some classes being subclasses of Content

14:29:22 [JohannesK]

jk: Content-in-RDF is based on Dominique's (DOM's) original proposal

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"Representations of Content in RDF"

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"RDF Representations of Content"

14:31:13 [JohannesK]

ci: how do we manage namespaces in XMLContent?

14:31:16 [JohannesK]

jk: example 2.5

14:31:29 [shadi]

action: SAZ send some naming suggestions to improve "Content in RDF" title

14:31:59 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

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agendum 4. "update on "Pointer Methods in RDF" document" taken up [from shadi]

14:32:03 [JohannesK]

jk: because xmlRest points to an XMLLiteral, you can declare namespaces

14:33:02 [JohannesK]

ci: did some cleaning-up of the schema; think it's quite complete; some things to discuss

14:33:48 [JohannesK]

ci: I can post some open issues to the list

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saz: may next meeting next week, but for sure in 2 weeks

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s/may/maybe/

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-Johannes

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-Shadi

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-Carlos_Iglesias

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Daniel, Johannes, Carlos_Iglesias

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: SAZ send description and draft response on POWDER to ERT WG mailing list [1]

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ACTION: SAZ send background information and notes from meeting with ATAG to ERT WG mailing list [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-irc#T13-48-49

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ACTION: Johannes explore the idea of an DOMContent Class (as opposed to an DOM-in-RDF) [3]

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ACTION: SAZ send two or three use cases for DOM usage as content to the ERT WG mailing list [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-irc#T14-26-48

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ACTION: SAZ send some naming suggestions to improve "Content in RDF" title [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-irc#T14-31-29