15:50:31 RRSAgent has joined #swd 15:50:31 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-irc 15:50:44 zakim, this will be swd 15:50:44 ok, edsu; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 15:51:00 Meeting: SWD WG 15:51:31 Chair: Tom 15:51:52 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0068.html 15:52:34 Previous: 2007-11-20 http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html 15:52:41 no problemo :) 15:53:04 SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started 15:53:11 +??P0 15:53:24 zakim, ??P0 is TomB 15:53:24 +TomB; got it 15:53:47 Regrets: Clay, Vit, Quentin, Alistair, Simone, Sean 15:54:20 rrsagent, please make record public 15:55:00 Scribe: ed 15:55:04 Scribenick: edsu 15:57:08 +[LC] 15:57:26 Zakim: LC is edsu 15:57:27 zakim, LC is Edsu 15:57:27 +Edsu; got it 15:57:31 heh :) 15:57:54 Ralph has joined #swd 15:58:38 JonP has joined #swd 15:59:13 Antoine has joined #swd 16:00:01 guus has joined #swd 16:00:02 rrsagent, please make record public 16:00:27 +Jon_Phipps 16:00:47 +Ralph 16:01:07 +[LC] 16:01:24 zakim, LC is Justin 16:01:24 +Justin; got it 16:01:55 Ralph: thanks :) 16:02:20 berrueta has joined #swd 16:02:52 +Antoine_Isaac 16:04:15 +Guus_Schreiber 16:05:25 Regrets: +Elisa 16:05:52 Topic: Admin 16:06:37 +Rodrigo 16:06:41 RESOLVED to accept minutes of the Nov 20 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html 16:06:49 zakim, Rodrigo is me 16:06:49 +berrueta; got it 16:07:10 -berrueta 16:07:37 Tom: just updated scribe duty file on the wiki, will post to the list to see who can scribe 16:07:53 Topic: SKOS 16:07:53 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ScribeDuty ScribeDuty 16:08:31 Tom: alistair and sean are not here to report on the reference 16:08:39 ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02] 16:08:43 --continues 16:08:50 ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03] 16:08:55 --continues 16:09:13 Tom: how about the SKOS Primer? 16:09:21 [I presume the Jan, Feb, and Apr dates in "Schedule for SKOS deliverables" in the agenda are really 2008, not 2007] 16:09:25 Antoine: we started the process sharing an html document 16:09:36 ... we plan to reuse the existing material from the SKOS Core Guide 16:09:51 [RalphS, yes 2008...!] 16:10:19 ... some extension of the material is also needed 16:10:52 ... i'd like to follow the approach of the rdfa primer 16:11:24 ... basic uses first, and then introduce more advanced stuff for skos, mapping links, relationship between labels, grouping of concepts into collections 16:11:59 CTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05] 16:12:03 --continues 16:12:26 Tom: i thought it would be interesting to have a discussion about the skos extension module 16:12:49 ACTION ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05] 16:12:54 --continues 16:12:59 [Antoine's plan for the primer sounds good to me. One challenge is to decide how far to go in showing 'advanced' concepts. A thick primer apparently makes some people concerned.] 16:13:09 s/ACTION ACTION/ACTION/ 16:14:00 Justin: is the plan to publish SKOS-XL as a Note? 16:14:29 Justin: have found in other w3 activities that publishing as an article can sometimes be useful 16:14:43 s/SKOS-XL/SKOS Primer/ 16:15:21 Justin: sometimes having all the technical front matter can get in the way of understanding 16:15:34 Ralph: can you cite an example of how to do this right? 16:16:34 Justin: Web Content Accessibility Overview 16:17:34 Antoine: that would be interesting 16:17:56 Justin: will send links to list 16:18:21 Antoine: do you think the existing SKOS Core guide will serve as a good example of what we should do? 16:18:29 berrueta has joined #swd 16:18:29 Antoine: is it too complex? 16:19:13 Justin: I think because it's wrapped in a technical report format it's harder to dive into 16:19:39 Tom: if you could send some feedback along those lines to Antoine that would be useful 16:20:03 ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04] 16:20:06 --continues 16:20:18 ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to the issue list. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01] 16:20:22 --continues 16:20:27 ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of isDefinedBy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] 16:20:31 --continues 16:20:40 +??P6 16:20:57 zakim, ??p6 is Diego 16:20:57 +Diego; got it 16:21:02 Topic: RDFa 16:21:21 ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14] 16:21:26 --continues 16:21:49 ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03] 16:21:52 --continues 16:22:00 Ralph: did the schedule get updated? 16:22:13 Ralph: yeah, i guess it needs to be updated 16:22:23 ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04] 16:22:27 --continues 16:22:35 ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about working drafts. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17] 16:23:16 --dropped 16:24:13 Ralph: there's still a divergence of opinion on how the instance-of syntax should work 16:24:31 Ralph: we're guessing how people would 'naturally' interpret some markup 16:24:45 ... there's two different approaches that seem obvious to different sets of people 16:25:07 ... trying to figure out whether some use cases are hard to implement with one or the other 16:25:16 Tom: what's coming down the pipe w/ transitioin requests 16:25:41 Ralph: the only major stumbling block is the interpretation of instance-of 16:26:02 Tom: sean palmer made a suggestion on RDFa and user agents 16:26:07 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.html 16:26:29 Ralph: we should respond 16:26:40 Tom: can we take an action for the taskforce to respond? 16:27:23 ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's suggestion 16:27:29 Topic: Recipes 16:27:39 ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18] 16:27:42 --continues 16:27:54 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipe6 <-- recipe 6 recasted as an implementation pattern 16:27:58 Sean's message is related to -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28 issue 28 "Follow your nose" 16:28:08 berrueta: would be happy to some feedback 16:28:15 -Guus_Schreiber 16:28:33 berrueta: will post to the mailing list 16:28:36 [sry, phone out of batteries] 16:28:44 ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action19] 16:28:48 --continues 16:29:01 ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes document. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20] 16:29:05 --continues 16:29:14 ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of RDFa as [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action21] 16:29:17 --continues 16:29:24 ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to Issue-23] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action22] 16:29:27 --continues 16:29:32 ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23] 16:29:36 --continues 16:29:40 ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24] 16:29:43 --continues 16:29:47 ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25] 16:29:52 --continues 16:30:01 [sigh -- I had planned to make progress on at least one of my actions before this call, but failed at that] 16:31:26 Tom: i think the deliverables page needs to reflect that December is a target for the Recipes document 16:31:37 Ralph: sounds like something that was decided at f2f 16:31:48 berrueta: i think so 16:31:59 JonP: we'll work on it some this week I think 16:32:01 q+ 16:32:20 Tom: lets keep december as a target for having a version of recipes to review 16:32:36 Tom: we need an action to update the deliverables page 16:32:55 ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes document 16:33:05 Ralph: it will be useful to have recipes document 16:33:25 ... tim seems to think there are a number of things wrong with the current document 16:33:36 ... tim wondered if the current working draft should be retracted 16:34:10 ... there's at least one person that thinks that it might be causing more confusion that not 16:34:31 JonP: we don't have a solution to the most significant problem that he raised -- conditional redirects 16:34:53 JonP: that's the one danbri is tasked to speak to apache about 16:35:17 Ralph: we can note in the recipe that there is a problem 16:35:36 JonP: the urgency is noted :) 16:36:27 CTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for review in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26] 16:36:37 ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for review in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26] 16:36:40 --continues 16:36:48 Topic: Vocabulary Management 16:37:00 ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07] 16:37:16 --continues 16:37:29 Topic: AOB 16:37:40 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0030.html SWEO requests input on SKOS message [Ed, 2007-11-19] 16:37:51 -Justin 16:37:53 -Jon_Phipps 16:37:54 -Diego 16:38:10 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Nov/0036.html Ed's post to SWEO [2007-11-26] 16:38:14 -Antoine_Isaac 16:38:25 zakim, please list attendees 16:38:25 As of this point the attendees have been TomB, Edsu, Jon_Phipps, Ralph, Justin, Antoine_Isaac, Guus_Schreiber, berrueta, Diego 16:39:12 ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13] 16:39:18 --done 16:40:09 Tom: meeting is adjourned 16:40:28 zakim, list attendees 16:40:28 As of this point the attendees have been TomB, Edsu, Jon_Phipps, Ralph, Justin, Antoine_Isaac, Guus_Schreiber, berrueta, Diego 16:40:31 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:40:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html Tom 16:41:41 -Ralph 16:41:43 -Edsu 16:41:51 zakim, who is on the call? 16:41:51 On the phone I see TomB 16:41:57 edsu has left #swd 16:41:59 -TomB 16:42:01 SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended 16:42:03 Attendees were TomB, Edsu, Jon_Phipps, Ralph, Justin, Antoine_Isaac, Guus_Schreiber, berrueta, Diego 16:42:32 zakim, bye 16:42:32 Zakim has left #swd 17:14:20 Antoine has left #swd