IRC log of swd on 2007-11-27
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- zakim, this will be swd
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- ok, edsu; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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- Meeting: SWD WG
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- Chair: Tom
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0068.html
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- Previous: 2007-11-20 http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html
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- no problemo :)
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- SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started
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- +??P0
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- zakim, ??P0 is TomB
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- +TomB; got it
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- Regrets: Clay, Vit, Quentin, Alistair, Simone, Sean
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- rrsagent, please make record public
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- Scribe: ed
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- Scribenick: edsu
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- +[LC]
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- Zakim: LC is edsu
- 15:57:27 [Tom]
- zakim, LC is Edsu
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- +Edsu; got it
- 15:57:31 [edsu]
- heh :)
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- rrsagent, please make record public
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- +Jon_Phipps
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- +Ralph
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- +[LC]
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- zakim, LC is Justin
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- +Justin; got it
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- Ralph: thanks :)
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- +Antoine_Isaac
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- +Guus_Schreiber
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- Regrets: +Elisa
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- Topic: Admin
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- +Rodrigo
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- RESOLVED to accept minutes of the Nov 20 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html
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- zakim, Rodrigo is me
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- +berrueta; got it
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- -berrueta
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- Tom: just updated scribe duty file on the wiki, will post to the list to see who can scribe
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- Topic: SKOS
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ScribeDuty ScribeDuty
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- Tom: alistair and sean are not here to report on the reference
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- ACTION: Quentin to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Vit to review Editor's draft of SKOS Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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- --continues
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- Tom: how about the SKOS Primer?
- 16:09:21 [Ralph]
- [I presume the Jan, Feb, and Apr dates in "Schedule for SKOS deliverables" in the agenda are really 2008, not 2007]
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- Antoine: we started the process sharing an html document
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- ... we plan to reuse the existing material from the SKOS Core Guide
- 16:09:51 [Tom]
- [RalphS, yes 2008...!]
- 16:10:19 [edsu]
- ... some extension of the material is also needed
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- ... i'd like to follow the approach of the rdfa primer
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- ... basic uses first, and then introduce more advanced stuff for skos, mapping links, relationship between labels, grouping of concepts into collections
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- CTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
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- --continues
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- Tom: i thought it would be interesting to have a discussion about the skos extension module
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- ACTION ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
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- --continues
- 16:12:59 [Ralph]
- [Antoine's plan for the primer sounds good to me. One challenge is to decide how far to go in showing 'advanced' concepts. A thick primer apparently makes some people concerned.]
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- s/ACTION ACTION/ACTION/
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- Justin: is the plan to publish SKOS-XL as a Note?
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- Justin: have found in other w3 activities that publishing as an article can sometimes be useful
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- s/SKOS-XL/SKOS Primer/
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- Justin: sometimes having all the technical front matter can get in the way of understanding
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- Ralph: can you cite an example of how to do this right?
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- Justin: Web Content Accessibility Overview
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- Antoine: that would be interesting
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- Justin: will send links to list
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- Antoine: do you think the existing SKOS Core guide will serve as a good example of what we should do?
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- Antoine: is it too complex?
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- Justin: I think because it's wrapped in a technical report format it's harder to dive into
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- Tom: if you could send some feedback along those lines to Antoine that would be useful
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- ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to the issue list. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of isDefinedBy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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- --continues
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- +??P6
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- zakim, ??p6 is Diego
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- +Diego; got it
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- Topic: RDFa
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- ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action14]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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- --continues
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- Ralph: did the schedule get updated?
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- Ralph: yeah, i guess it needs to be updated
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- ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about working drafts. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action17]
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- --dropped
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- Ralph: there's still a divergence of opinion on how the instance-of syntax should work
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- Ralph: we're guessing how people would 'naturally' interpret some markup
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- ... there's two different approaches that seem obvious to different sets of people
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- ... trying to figure out whether some use cases are hard to implement with one or the other
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- Tom: what's coming down the pipe w/ transitioin requests
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- Ralph: the only major stumbling block is the interpretation of instance-of
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- Tom: sean palmer made a suggestion on RDFa and user agents
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0056.html
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- Ralph: we should respond
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- Tom: can we take an action for the taskforce to respond?
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- ACTION: Ralph to ask rdfa tf to respond to sean palmer's suggestion
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- Topic: Recipes
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- ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action18]
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- --continues
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- http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipe6 <-- recipe 6 recasted as an implementation pattern
- 16:27:58 [Ralph]
- Sean's message is related to -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28 issue 28 "Follow your nose"
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- berrueta: would be happy to some feedback
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- -Guus_Schreiber
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- berrueta: will post to the mailing list
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- [sry, phone out of batteries]
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- ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action19]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes document. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action20]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of RDFa as [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action21]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to Issue-23] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action22]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action23]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action24]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action25]
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- --continues
- 16:30:01 [Ralph]
- [sigh -- I had planned to make progress on at least one of my actions before this call, but failed at that]
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- Tom: i think the deliverables page needs to reflect that December is a target for the Recipes document
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- Ralph: sounds like something that was decided at f2f
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- berrueta: i think so
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- JonP: we'll work on it some this week I think
- 16:32:01 [Ralph]
- q+
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- Tom: lets keep december as a target for having a version of recipes to review
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- Tom: we need an action to update the deliverables page
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- ACTION: diego to update deliverables page w/r/t recipes document
- 16:33:05 [edsu]
- Ralph: it will be useful to have recipes document
- 16:33:25 [edsu]
- ... tim seems to think there are a number of things wrong with the current document
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- ... tim wondered if the current working draft should be retracted
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- ... there's at least one person that thinks that it might be causing more confusion that not
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- JonP: we don't have a solution to the most significant problem that he raised -- conditional redirects
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- JonP: that's the one danbri is tasked to speak to apache about
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- Ralph: we can note in the recipe that there is a problem
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- JonP: the urgency is noted :)
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- CTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for review in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26]
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- ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for review in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action26]
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- --continues
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- Topic: Vocabulary Management
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- ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target sections plus an allocation of sections to people and potentially a standard structure for sections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action07]
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- --continues
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- Topic: AOB
- 16:37:40 [Ralph]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0030.html SWEO requests input on SKOS message [Ed, 2007-11-19]
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- -Justin
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- -Jon_Phipps
- 16:37:54 [Zakim]
- -Diego
- 16:38:10 [Ralph]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Nov/0036.html Ed's post to SWEO [2007-11-26]
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- -Antoine_Isaac
- 16:38:25 [Tom]
- zakim, please list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been TomB, Edsu, Jon_Phipps, Ralph, Justin, Antoine_Isaac, Guus_Schreiber, berrueta, Diego
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- ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html#action13]
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- --done
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- Tom: meeting is adjourned
- 16:40:28 [Ralph]
- zakim, list attendees
- 16:40:28 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been TomB, Edsu, Jon_Phipps, Ralph, Justin, Antoine_Isaac, Guus_Schreiber, berrueta, Diego
- 16:40:31 [Tom]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:40:31 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/27-swd-minutes.html Tom
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- -Ralph
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- -Edsu
- 16:41:51 [Tom]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:41:51 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see TomB
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- -TomB
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- SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were TomB, Edsu, Jon_Phipps, Ralph, Justin, Antoine_Isaac, Guus_Schreiber, berrueta, Diego
- 16:42:32 [Ralph]
- zakim, bye
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