IRC log of ua on 2007-11-15

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17:49:00 [oedipus]
aloha, jim -- i will be at the meeting today -- the HTML WG telecon is tomorrow
17:49:05 [AllanJ]
rrsagent, set logs public
17:49:36 [AllanJ]
zakim, this will be wai_u
17:49:36 [Zakim]
ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
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title: User Agent telecon
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chair: Jim Allan
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scribe: JR
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007OctDec/0051.html
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Scribe: JR
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
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+[Microsoft]
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+AllanJ
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-AllanJ
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+AllanJ
18:01:05 [AllanJ]
zakim, [Microsoft] is Kford
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+Kford; got it
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+Gregory_Rosmaita
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+??P21
18:01:53 [JR]
Zakim, ??P21 is really JR
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+JR; got it
18:03:05 [JR]
regrets: Cathy Laws
18:03:11 [oedipus]
GJR action item update: Gregory to contact Doug Schepers about multiple DOMs in CDF and embedded UAs
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+[IBM]
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Zakim, [IBM] is really pparente
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+pparente; got it
18:03:51 [JR]
JA: Lots of work done on F2F and thanks to those people on the phone!
18:03:57 [oedipus]
contacted DougS, acknowledged receipt, but will reply tomorrow as he went from boston to NC to japan in a 24-hour timeframe
18:04:21 [JR]
JA: We had David Singer from Apple and HTML5 joined us on Monday morning
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JA: He took back some info on new <video> tag and we saw prototype of UA rendering <video>
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JA: Question to group...if video rendered natively then are video controls chrome?
18:06:41 [oedipus]
GJR +1 that controls are chrome if "rendered natively"
18:06:51 [JR]
JR: Yes they are chrome
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pparente: Agree
18:07:05 [JR]
KF: Agree
18:07:35 [JR]
JA: Agree
18:07:40 [oedipus]
XHTML2 post of (related?) interest "role for object" - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0015.html
18:09:11 [JR]
JA: Maybe related to DOM guidelines?
18:09:15 [JR]
JR: 6.2?
18:09:32 [oedipus]
GL 9: Provide access to content through a variety of navigation mechanisms, including sequential navigation, direct navigation, searches, and structured navigation
18:10:35 [JR]
Action JA: Make a proposal for new checkpoint related to native rendering of video and communication with AccessAPI etc
18:11:37 [JR]
GR: XHTML2 doesn't like video, audio etc. and instead likes "role"s for OBJECT
18:11:57 [JR]
GR: More info at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0015.html
18:14:30 [JR]
JA: Should we be concerned about HTML5 vs XHTML2?
18:14:56 [JR]
JR: Don't think so...we should keep things at a more general level.
18:19:04 [JR]
GR: Agree
18:19:45 [JR]
GR: BTW: XHTML2 is dropping handler from XML events....purpose handler suggested by PF
18:20:09 [JR]
GR: So trying figure out next PF steps....maybe via WebAPI group
18:23:11 [JR]
JA: How to markup document changes?
18:23:40 [JR]
GR: Checked into it - but no screen readers read style sheet info.
18:24:58 [JR]
GR: Screen readers just scrape the screen.
18:25:15 [JR]
PP: So colour info just not available?
18:25:34 [JR]
GR: For named colours...can look for colour X on colour Y for example
18:25:55 [JR]
PP: In Linux in Firefox the info goes into AccessAPI
18:26:08 [JR]
GR: Right that's why I went to Orca since they use that
18:27:15 [JR]
KF: To clarify, Jaws does deal a bit with where style tags are etc
18:27:29 [JR]
KF: Can configure how to look for stylesheets
18:29:12 [KFord]
Here's a technical support bulletin for JAWS and CSS.
18:29:18 [KFord]
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.cfm?QC=1165
18:29:33 [JR]
GR: So that's why I contacted Orca - working with Linux as well as iAccessible2 on Windows
18:30:26 [JR]
GR: Will try to find strategies for marking changes
18:31:45 [JR]
JA: We have some issues here at the school with power and I need to leave call...
18:32:13 [JR]
JA: So we'll wrap up.
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-pparente
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-JR
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-Kford
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-Gregory_Rosmaita
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-AllanJ
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WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
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Attendees were AllanJ, Kford, Gregory_Rosmaita, JR, pparente
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-ua-minutes.html JR
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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Zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-ua-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: JA to Make a proposal for new checkpoint related to native rendering of video and communication with AccessAPI etc [1]
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