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17:49:00 <oedipus> aloha, jim -- i will be at the meeting today -- the HTML WG telecon is tomorrow
17:49:05 <AllanJ> rrsagent, set logs public
17:49:36 <AllanJ> zakim, this will be wai_u
17:49:36 <Zakim> ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
17:49:58 <AllanJ> title: User Agent telecon
17:50:05 <AllanJ> chair: Jim Allan
17:50:11 <AllanJ> scribe: JR
17:50:55 <AllanJ> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007OctDec/0051.html
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17:53:53 <JR> Scribe: JR
17:59:33 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
17:59:35 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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18:00:43 <Zakim> +AllanJ
18:00:44 <Zakim> -AllanJ
18:00:46 <Zakim> +AllanJ
18:01:05 <AllanJ> zakim, [Microsoft] is Kford
18:01:05 <Zakim> +Kford; got it
18:01:23 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
18:01:37 <Zakim> +??P21
18:01:53 <JR> Zakim, ??P21 is really JR
18:01:53 <Zakim> +JR; got it
18:03:05 <JR> regrets: Cathy Laws
18:03:11 <oedipus> GJR action item update: Gregory to contact Doug Schepers about multiple DOMs in CDF and embedded UAs
18:03:15 <Zakim> +[IBM]
18:03:33 <JR> Zakim, [IBM] is really pparente
18:03:33 <Zakim> +pparente; got it
18:03:51 <JR> JA: Lots of work done on F2F and thanks to those people on the phone!
18:03:57 <oedipus> contacted DougS, acknowledged receipt, but will reply tomorrow as he went from boston to NC to japan in a 24-hour timeframe
18:04:21 <JR> JA: We had David Singer from Apple and HTML5 joined us on Monday morning
18:05:45 <JR> JA: He took back some info on new <video> tag and we saw prototype of UA rendering <video>
18:06:14 <JR> JA: Question to group...if video rendered natively then are video controls chrome?
18:06:41 <oedipus> GJR +1 that controls are chrome if "rendered natively"
18:06:51 <JR> JR: Yes they are chrome
18:06:57 <JR> pparente: Agree
18:07:05 <JR> KF: Agree
18:07:35 <JR> JA: Agree
18:07:40 <oedipus> XHTML2 post of (related?) interest "role for object" - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0015.html
18:09:11 <JR> JA: Maybe related to DOM guidelines?
18:09:15 <JR> JR: 6.2?
18:09:32 <oedipus> GL 9: Provide access to content through a variety of navigation mechanisms, including sequential navigation, direct navigation, searches, and structured navigation
18:10:35 <JR> Action JA: Make a proposal for new checkpoint related to native rendering of video and communication with AccessAPI etc
18:11:37 <JR> GR: XHTML2 doesn't like video, audio etc. and instead likes "role"s for OBJECT
18:11:57 <JR> GR: More info at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0015.html
18:14:30 <JR> JA: Should we be concerned about HTML5 vs XHTML2?
18:14:56 <JR> JR: Don't think so...we should keep things at a more general level.
18:19:04 <JR> GR: Agree
18:19:45 <JR> GR: BTW: XHTML2 is dropping handler from XML events....purpose handler suggested by PF
18:20:09 <JR> GR: So trying figure out next PF steps....maybe via WebAPI group
18:23:11 <JR> JA: How to markup document changes?
18:23:40 <JR> GR: Checked into it - but no screen readers read style sheet info.
18:24:58 <JR> GR: Screen readers just scrape the screen.
18:25:15 <JR> PP: So colour info just not available?
18:25:34 <JR> GR: For named colours...can look for colour X on colour Y for example
18:25:55 <JR> PP: In Linux in Firefox the info goes into AccessAPI
18:26:08 <JR> GR: Right that's why I went to Orca since they use that
18:27:15 <JR> KF: To clarify, Jaws does deal a bit with where style tags are etc
18:27:29 <JR> KF: Can configure how to look for stylesheets
18:29:12 <KFord> Here's a technical support bulletin for JAWS and CSS.
18:29:18 <KFord> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.cfm?QC=1165
18:29:33 <JR> GR: So that's why I contacted Orca - working with Linux as well as iAccessible2 on Windows
18:30:26 <JR> GR: Will try to find strategies for marking changes
18:31:45 <JR> JA: We have some issues here at the school with power and I need to leave call...
18:32:13 <JR> JA: So we'll wrap up.
18:32:28 <Zakim> -pparente
18:32:31 <Zakim> -JR
18:32:32 <Zakim> -Kford
18:32:33 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
18:32:34 <Zakim> -AllanJ
18:32:36 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
18:32:38 <Zakim> Attendees were AllanJ, Kford, Gregory_Rosmaita, JR, pparente
18:32:51 <JR> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:32:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-ua-minutes.html JR
18:32:55 <JR> RRSAgent, set logs public 
18:33:00 <JR> Zakim, bye 
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18:33:07 <JR> RRSAgent, bye 
18:33:07 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-ua-actions.rdf :
18:33:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JA to Make a proposal for new checkpoint related to native rendering of video and communication with AccessAPI etc [1]
18:33:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-ua-irc#T18-10-35