IRC log of bpwg on 2007-11-15

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15:00:58 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #bpwg
15:00:58 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-irc
15:01:00 [trackbot-ng]: RRSAgent, make logs public
15:01:03 [trackbot-ng]: Zakim, this will be BPWG
15:01:03 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot-ng, I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM already started
15:01:05 [trackbot-ng]: Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
15:01:07 [trackbot-ng]: Date: 15 November 2007
15:01:14 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:01:15 [Zakim]: On the phone I see [IPcaller]
15:01:26 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, IPcaller is MikeSmith
15:01:26 [Zakim]: +MikeSmith; got it
15:02:10 [jo]: zakim, code?
15:02:10 [Zakim]: the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
15:02:12 [Zakim]: +Sean_Owen
15:02:34 [Zakim]: +jo
15:02:35 [srowen]: (Sean notes he must leave early -- can only stay about 30 minutes)
15:03:49 [adam]: adam has joined #bpwg
15:04:04 [Zakim]: +??P9
15:04:26 [Zakim]: + +1.703.265.aaaa
15:04:29 [adam]: zakim, +??P4 is me
15:04:29 [Zakim]: sorry, adam, I do not recognize a party named '+??P4'
15:04:30 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, ??P9 is adam
15:04:30 [Zakim]: +adam; got it
15:04:38 [DKA]: headset malfunction now Zakim is acting up
15:04:46 [Zakim]: - +1.703.265.aaaa
15:04:55 [Zakim]: +??P13
15:05:15 [DKA]: zakim ??p13 is DKA
15:05:17 [Zakim]: +SeanPatterson
15:05:59 [Zakim]: +??P16
15:06:18 [jo]: zakim, ??P16 is abel
15:06:18 [Zakim]: +abel; got it
15:06:28 [abel]: zakim, miguel is with me
15:06:28 [Zakim]: +miguel; got it
15:09:01 [jo]: scribe: Jo
15:09:14 [jo]: Topic: Members rejoining the group
15:09:23 [jo]: dka: what do we need to do Mike?
15:09:27 [jo]: mike: not sure
15:10:17 [MikeSmith]: [I'm checking now to see which BPWG members have not rejoined yet]
15:10:21 [Alan]: Alan has joined #BPWG
15:11:39 [Zakim]: +drooks
15:11:42 [jo]: Topic: Actions from F2F
15:12:06 [jo]: dka: poll on mobileOK Full
15:12:15 [achuter]: achuter has joined #bpwg
15:12:16 [jo]: jo: Kai sent some suggested questions
15:13:05 [jo]: dka: weren't we going to do a workshop?
15:13:13 [jo]: jo: no that was a question on the poll I think
15:13:26 [Zakim]: +??P24
15:13:38 [achuter]: zakim, ??P24 is me
15:13:38 [Zakim]: +achuter; got it
15:14:00 [jo]: dka: notes he is jumping around and that there is an action on him to organise a call
15:14:05 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
15:14:05 [Zakim]: achuter should no longer be muted
15:14:10 [jo]: ... on mobileOK coordination
15:14:17 [jo]: topic: Accessibility doc
15:14:28 [jo]: alan: sent an update to the list
15:15:03 [jo]: ... new version includes WCAG 2.0 and EOWG has set up a page in the EO space to track issues
15:15:13 [jo]: ... with requirements and issues and a change log
15:16:20 [abel]: q+
15:16:21 [jo]: ... need to schedule some time to discuss, people should review and send comments
15:16:35 [jo]: zakim, who is making noise
15:16:35 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'who is making noise', jo
15:16:44 [jo]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:16:55 [Zakim]: jo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jo (5%), ??P13 (5%), achuter (87%)
15:17:13 [jo]: dka: don't think we can review today as we havent had time to review but do you have anything to raise, alan
15:17:18 [jo]: alan: no
15:17:59 [jo]: dka: in section 4 need to discuss whether this should be done by adding Does it give me WCAG compliance etc.
15:18:05 [jo]: alan: yes I did that
15:18:27 [achuter]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20071115#how_mwbp_wcag
15:18:37 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:18:37 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:18:53 [jo]: dka: Shawn seemed to be asking that we should list WCAG 2.0 first
15:19:13 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
15:19:13 [Zakim]: achuter should no longer be muted
15:20:02 [jo]: alan: the first section does it give you wcag compliance, under each BP I put WCAG 1.0 first but that can easily be changed
15:20:16 [jo]: dka: yes we should make EOWG happy by doing that
15:20:20 [achuter]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20071115#how_wcag_mwbp
15:21:00 [jo]: alan: bzz, bzz, there are two subsections one dealing with 2.0 checkpoints then 1.0 checkpoints, which means there is a lot of redundant info
15:21:04 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:21:04 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:21:32 [jo]: ... but I can't see how to do otherwise
15:21:37 [abel]: ack me
15:21:57 [jo]: ?unkon: something - hadn't had time to review
15:22:22 [jo]: s/?unkon/Miguel?
15:22:38 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
15:22:38 [Zakim]: achuter should no longer be muted
15:22:44 [jo]: DKA: can you publish a new draft by cob on Tuesday?
15:22:45 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:22:45 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:22:50 [jo]: Alan: OK
15:23:13 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
15:23:13 [Zakim]: achuter should no longer be muted
15:23:34 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:23:34 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:23:36 [jo]: ACTION: Alan to produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday
15:23:36 [trackbot-ng]: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Alan
15:23:36 [trackbot-ng]: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. atai, achuter, abaldwin)
15:23:55 [jo]: ACTION: Chuter to produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday
15:23:55 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-600 - Produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday [on Alan Chuter - due 2007-11-22].
15:24:19 [jo]: Topic: Actions Review
15:24:25 [abel]: [miguel: I have not had enough time to review the doc due to other projetcs deadlines,but i will send my contribution before the next call]
15:25:21 [jo]: dka: ACTION-581 ?
15:25:32 [jo]: jo: that's CT
15:25:37 [jo]: dka: oh
15:26:01 [jo]: dka: ACTION-586 - er I will do this today
15:26:23 [jo]: dka: ACTION-587 on Mike to upload the slides
15:26:29 [jo]: mike: I did that
15:26:46 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
15:26:46 [Zakim]: achuter should no longer be muted
15:26:48 [jo]: jo: can we link them from accessibility page pls
15:26:58 [jo]: mike: yup
15:27:08 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:27:08 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:27:22 [jo]: alan: is that page going to be made public?
15:27:28 [jo]: jo: should be already
15:28:01 [MikeSmith]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/ is world readable
15:28:07 [Zakim]: -drooks
15:28:38 [jo]: dka: ACTION-588 raise doc at HCG (accessibility doc)
15:28:55 [jo]: ... next HCG is on the 23rd so we need to hold on to that one
15:28:58 [DKA]: q?
15:29:41 [jo]: dka: ACTION-589 - DKA to dispose carefully on techniques - not done it
15:30:18 [jo]: mike: ACTION-590 I'll just change the text to say it is no longer being maintained
15:30:30 [MikeSmith]: Alan's slides are here:
15:30:31 [MikeSmith]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/accessibility_tfv2.pdf
15:31:23 [jo]: ACTION-595 and ACTION-596 Encourage group to re-register
15:32:33 [jo]: jo: there were 40 reminders which went out on the 5th Nov
15:32:33 [jo]: mike: could be that Dom sent the reminders
15:33:05 [MikeSmith]: q+ to say that I've not been able to determine if there is a way to tell who has not yet re-joined
15:33:13 [DKA]: ack mike
15:33:13 [Zakim]: MikeSmith, you wanted to say that I've not been able to determine if there is a way to tell who has not yet re-joined
15:33:14 [jo]: seanp: we got remidners on the 10th
15:34:14 [SeanP]: Discrepencies URL from Dom's email: http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies
15:34:43 [jo]: mike: I need to ask Ian Jacobs or Dom as I can't tell who rejoined and who is just still there
15:35:06 [srowen]: (I must take off early -- regards, and have fun)
15:35:12 [jo]: dka: ACTION-599 on Alan about the joint mailing list
15:35:56 [jo]: Topic: mobileOK
15:35:56 [jo]: sro: not much to say except it is still wonderful
15:36:11 [MikeSmith]: q+ to point out http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies
15:36:12 [jo]: dka: any feedback from your presentation on Tuesday?
15:36:29 [jo]: sro: dunno, I couldn't stay till the end
15:36:32 [Zakim]: -Sean_Owen
15:36:42 [jo]: ... Steve Bratt had comments
15:37:02 [jo]: Topic: Rejoining the group (again)
15:37:25 [jo]: mike: to point to http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies
15:39:09 [jo]: jo: some of these look like people who joined at the end of the old charter
15:40:18 [jo]: ... anyway we need to do some high touch stuff with them to see whether there is a problem
15:42:08 [jo]: [discussion about who needs chasing]
15:42:18 [jo]: ack m
15:42:18 [Zakim]: MikeSmith, you wanted to point out http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies
15:45:00 [jo]: dka: action me to send a note to people who didn't renew and then we need to chase people who have recently joined but don't seem to be attending meetings
15:45:42 [jo]: ACTION: Dan to send email chasing to people to renew
15:45:42 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-601 - Send email chasing to people to renew [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2007-11-22].
15:47:02 [jo]: [further discussion about what to do]
15:49:32 [jo]: [Dan reads pious sentiments that he intends to send]
15:49:58 [jo]: [Jo points out that no point in joining just to follow discussions on the list]
15:50:29 [jo]: Topic: AOB
15:50:39 [jo]: dka: any other issues?
15:50:43 [jo]: [silence]
15:50:46 [jo]: +1
15:51:06 [MikeSmith]: RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:51:06 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:51:18 [Zakim]: -adam
15:51:19 [Zakim]: -jo
15:51:20 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
15:51:20 [Zakim]: achuter should no longer be muted
15:51:24 [Zakim]: -abel
15:51:26 [Zakim]: -achuter
15:51:26 [Zakim]: -??P13
15:51:28 [Zakim]: -MikeSmith
15:51:28 [jo]: rrsagent, off
15:52:41 [jo]: Chair: Dan
15:53:34 [jo]: Present: Mike, Jo, Dan, SROwen(Part), SPatterson, Abel, Miguel, Adam, Alan
15:53:45 [jo]: rrsagent, draft minutes
15:53:45 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-minutes.html jo
15:57:54 [jo]: Regrets: drooks, Nacho, PArcher, Bruno, Roland, Rob, Aaron, Bryan, Bindu, Ed, Shah, Dom
15:58:06 [jo]: rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:06 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-minutes.html jo
15:58:34 [jo]: regrets+ Jonathan
15:58:42 [jo]: rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:42 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-minutes.html jo
16:02:48 [matt]: matt has joined #bpwg
16:04:11 [jo]: zakim, bye
16:04:11 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #bpwg
16:04:21 [jo]: rrsagent, bye
16:04:21 [RRSAgent]: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-actions.rdf :
16:04:21 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Alan to produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday [1]
16:04:21 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-irc#T15-23-36
16:04:21 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Chuter to produce a new draft (0f) by close of business Tuesday [2]
16:04:21 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-irc#T15-23-55
16:04:21 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Dan to send email chasing to people to renew [3]
16:04:21 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-bpwg-irc#T15-45-42