IRC log of forms on 2007-11-14
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-forms-irc
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- Meeting: Weekly Forms WG teleconference
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- Chair: John
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- Scribe: Leigh
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- Regrets: Joern
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0056.html
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- John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0056.html
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- HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
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- +John_Boyer
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- +unl
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- zakim, mute me
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- unl should now be muted
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- +wellsk
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- Zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Rafael
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- +Leigh_Klotz
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- +[IBM]
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- +??P21
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- Zakim, ??P21 is Rafael
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- +Rafael; got it
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- zakim, code?
- 16:03:51 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Nick
- 16:03:58 [Rafael]
- Zakim, Rafael has Roger
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- +Roger; got it
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- + +1.541.754.aaaa
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- +??P25
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
- 16:04:36 [Blake]
- zakim, +1541 is me
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- +Blake; got it
- 16:04:36 [ebruchez]
- zakim, ??P25 is ebruchez
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- +ebruchez; got it
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- +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
- 16:05:06 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
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- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 16:05:08 [CharlieWiecha]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:05:08 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see unl (muted), John_Boyer, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, [IBM], Rafael, Blake, ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted)
- 16:05:10 [Zakim]
- Rafael has Roger
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- On IRC I see Schnitz, CharlieWiecha, ebruchez, Blake, Nick, klotz, Rafael, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Roger, unl, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
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- +??P28
- 16:05:17 [CharlieWiecha]
- zakim, [IBM] is CharlieWiecha
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- +CharlieWiecha; got it
- 16:05:26 [Schnitz]
- zakim, ??p28 is me
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- +Schnitz; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- Schnitz should now be muted
- 16:05:41 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:05:41 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see unl (muted), John_Boyer, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, CharlieWiecha, Rafael, Blake, ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Schnitz (muted)
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- Zakim, mute me
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- Rafael should now be muted
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- Rafael has Roger
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- On IRC I see Schnitz, CharlieWiecha, ebruchez, Blake, Nick, klotz, Rafael, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Roger, unl, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
- 16:05:49 [Nick]
- John here is the updated list of action items http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/att-0058/actions2007-11-09.html
- 16:06:04 [Nick]
- sorry that it is a bit late but it was quite busy...
- 16:06:12 [Steven]
- zakim, dial steven-617
- 16:06:17 [Zakim]
- ok, Steven; the call is being made
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- +Steven.a
- 16:06:57 [John_Boyer]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0056.html
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- +??P4
- 16:07:29 [markbirbeck]
- zakim, i am ?
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- +markbirbeck; got it
- 16:08:00 [Steven]
- Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
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- Chair: Steven/Roland
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- lol
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- s/Meeting: XHTML2 WG Teleconference//
- 16:10:00 [Schnitz]
- signal is breaking up, am I the only one with this problem?
- 16:10:05 [Steven]
- s/Chair: Steven\/Roland//
- 16:12:12 [Schnitz]
- zakim, code?
- 16:12:12 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
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- -Schnitz
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- +??P7
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- zakim, ??p7 is me
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- +Schnitz; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- Schnitz should now be muted
- 16:17:46 [Schnitz]
- YES!
- 16:17:51 [Schnitz]
- I agree :-)
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- ;-)
- 16:21:15 [klotz]
- ACTION: Steven Pemberton to contact Martin Duerst and reiterate advantages to algorithmic determination of inputmode script.
- 16:21:15 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-433 - Pemberton to contact Martin Duerst and reiterate advantages to algorithmic determination of inputmode script. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2007-11-21].
- 16:21:28 [klotz]
- s/detremination/determination/
- 16:21:28 [John_Boyer]
- LC comments report (draft): http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/xforms11-lc-doc-20071114.html
- 16:23:22 [Nick]
- 147: 7.10.4
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- 145: 7.8.8
- 16:23:43 [wellsk]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 16:23:54 [Zakim]
- wellsk, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Boyer (69%), Steven.a (33%)
- 16:24:57 [Steven]
- zakim, I am Steven.a
- 16:24:57 [Zakim]
- ok, Steven, I now associate you with Steven.a
- 16:24:59 [Nick]
- this is issue 145
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- L. The seconds-from-dateTime() function poses a particular problem
- 16:25:17 [Nick]
- because XPath 2.0 offers a function with the same name and
- 16:25:17 [Nick]
- different semantics.
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-
- 16:25:17 [Nick]
- You should define whether leap second are taken into account, and
- 16:25:18 [Nick]
- if so, specify how.
- 16:25:40 [Nick]
- ack me
- 16:26:34 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
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- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 16:28:16 [Nick]
- I have read through the minutes and it seems you don't even consider my
- 16:28:16 [Nick]
- request. The statement by John "I don't think you can do that kind of
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- isolation." clearly displays the ignorance from which the decissions are
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- made in the working group.
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-
- 16:28:17 [Nick]
- I accept the resolution simply because I give up.
- 16:31:28 [Nick]
- yes it is Suspended
- 16:31:53 [Nick]
- (the state of the ones we Defered)
- 16:32:45 [John_Boyer]
- XForms 1.1 editor's draft of CR-ready specification: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-all-20071106.html
- 16:33:01 [Steven]
- http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms11-lc-doc-20071114.html
- 16:33:04 [Nick]
- We still have a lot No Response issues
- 16:33:44 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/xforms11-lc-doc-20071114.html
- 16:33:55 [Steven]
- is now further up-to-date
- 16:34:35 [Steven]
- John, issue 45 is marked "editorial"
- 16:35:10 [Steven]
- as is 69
- 16:35:42 [Schnitz]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Schnitz should no longer be muted
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- zakim, mute me
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- Schnitz should now be muted
- 16:36:10 [Nick]
- Are we going to clean up the no-reponse states?
- 16:36:10 [Schnitz]
- :-)
- 16:36:54 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We request transition CR of XForms 1.1 with http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/xforms11-lc-doc-20071114.html
- 16:37:29 [Steven]
- I will
- 16:37:45 [Nick]
- don't have issues
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- ack me
- 16:38:17 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
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- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 16:41:32 [Schnitz]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Schnitz should no longer be muted
- 16:41:45 [Rafael]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- Rafael should no longer be muted
- 16:42:59 [Nick]
- I've done all the new XPath Functions ;)
- 16:43:15 [Schnitz]
- right :-)
- 16:43:44 [wellsk]
- I can get a list of mozilla xforms 1.1 suported features (or ones in development)
- 16:45:06 [Nick]
- ack, me
- 16:45:10 [Nick]
- ack me
- 16:45:35 [Rafael]
- you can count on some features in DataMovil 3.0
- 16:45:50 [Schnitz]
- :-)
- 16:46:07 [Schnitz]
- zakim, mute me
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- Schnitz should now be muted
- 16:46:15 [wellsk]
- MUCH better connection
- 16:46:27 [Nick]
- zakim, mute me
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- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 16:47:21 [wellsk]
- yes
- 16:47:22 [Steven]
- q+ to ask about May meeting
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- it is the same for me, in general
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- for me it makes a differnce for me the saterday night
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- but mainly for US f2f
- 16:56:26 [wellsk]
- or to increase the duration of the telecons?
- 16:58:31 [Nick]
- I personally think real f2f work better, but maybe 1 of the 4 by phone and evaluate
- 16:58:51 [Schnitz]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Schnitz should no longer be muted
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- ack me
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- -Leigh_Klotz
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- -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
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- -CharlieWiecha
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- -unl
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- -Blake
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- -Steven.a
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- -ebruchez
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- -John_Boyer
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- -Rafael
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- -markbirbeck
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- -Schnitz
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- HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were John_Boyer, unl, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Roger, +1.541.754.aaaa, Blake, ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, CharlieWiecha, Schnitz, Steven.a, markbirbeck
- 17:03:13 [Nick]
- John can I ask a question related to the f2F meetings?
- 17:03:33 [John_Boyer]
- yes
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- zakim, who is here?
- 17:04:12 [Nick]
- Can we decide next call if the f2f in Januari is going to be held or not, because then I can ask approval
- 17:04:31 [Nick]
- and how longer away it is the greater the chance I get approval
- 17:04:32 [John_Boyer]
- I think it is already going forward. We can discuss next call though.
- 17:04:45 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- rrsagent, bye
- 17:05:00 [John_Boyer]
- hmm...
- 17:05:00 [Steven]
- john, you are sending weird chars
- 17:05:06 [John_Boyer]
- i see that
- 17:05:07 [Steven]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:05:07 [Zakim]
- apparently HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended, Steven
- 17:05:09 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see ShaneM, Schnitz, Nick, klotz, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, Roger, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
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- 17:05:15 [Steven]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-forms-minutes.html Steven
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
- 17:05:27 [Nick]
- ok, I''ll then wait till next call and then ask approval or not
- 17:05:28 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, bye
- 17:05:28 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-forms-actions.rdf :
- 17:05:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Steven Pemberton to contact Martin Duerst and reiterate advantages to algorithmic determination of inputmode script. [1]
- 17:05:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-forms-irc#T16-21-15