IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-11-08
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/08-wai-wcag-irc
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- rrsagent, make log world
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- ok, Christophe
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- meeting: WCAG
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- chair: Gregg, Loretta
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007OctDec/0066.html
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 05 Nov 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071105misc/results
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- +Drew
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- + +1.441.189.aabb
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 08 Nov 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071108misc/results
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- +Cynthia_Shelly
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- +??P22
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- zakim, ??P22 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 21:01:53 [Drew]
- zakim, who is on the phone
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- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Drew
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- +??P24
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- +[MIT342]
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- zakim, MIT342 is Michael_Cooper
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- +Michael_Cooper; got it
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 21:03:06 [MichaelC]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see ??P2, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +1.617.354.aaaa, Drew, Bruce_Bailey, +1.441.189.aabb, Cynthia_Shelly, Bengt_Farre, ??P24, Michael_Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- zakim, ??P2 is Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
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- zakim, +1.617 is Tim_Boland
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- +Tim_Boland; got it
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- zakim, unmute +1.441
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- +1.441.189.aabb should no longer be muted
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- zakim, +1.441 is Sean_Hayes
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- +Sean_Hayes; got it
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- zakim, ??P24 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- +??P30
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- regrets: Alex_Li
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- zakim, ??P30 is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- chair: Loretta
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- sorry for the delay I've had problems with irc
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- +[IPcaller]
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- Zakim, [IPcaller is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 21:11:33 [Loretta]
- ack b
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- zakim, mute David
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
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- zakim, unmute David
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 05 Nov 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071105misc/results" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- scribe: David_MacDonald
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- q+
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
- 21:15:24 [Loretta]
- ack a
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- q+
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- topic: Issues 2118, 2228: Proposal for Focus-related Success Criteria
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- -David_MacDonald
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- q+ to say IRC is supposedly fixed now
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- ack l
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- ack m
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- MichaelC, you wanted to say IRC is supposedly fixed now
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- q+
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- ack a
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- q+
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- ack l
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- If a Web page can be navigated sequentially, focusable components receive focus in an order that follows programmatically determined information and relationship.
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- If a Web page can be navigated sequentially, focusable components receive focus in an order that follows programmatically determined structure and relatinoships.
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- +??P3
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- zakim, ??P3 is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- -David_MacDonald
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- +??P3
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- zakim, ??P3 is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- -David_MacDonald
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- +??P3
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- zakim, ??P3 is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
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- +[IBM]
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- zakim, IBM is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
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- If a Web page can be navigated sequentially, focusable components receive focus in an order that is consistent with the relationships betweeen the information on the page.
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- If a Web page can be navigated sequentially, focusable components receive focus in an order that is consistent with the relationships among the components on the page.
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- scribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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- q+
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- ack a
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- ack b
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- q+
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- q-
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- If the order that components on a web page receive focus affects [use?], focusable components must receive focus in a logical sequence.
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- q+
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- ack a
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack d
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- zakim, unmute me
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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- q+
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- ack l
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- q+
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- ack a
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- -David_MacDonald
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- +??P8
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- zakim, ??P8 is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
- 22:05:03 [Loretta]
- Can we form a subgroup (again) on this topic? Andrew, Cynthia, Gregg, me, ????
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- action: andrew, cynthia ben gregg, Loretta, Andi
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- s/Andi/ Andi, to work on focus order
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- Topic: Images of Text
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation, text, rather than images of text, is used to convey information unless the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
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- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation, text, rather than images of text, is used to convey information except where the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
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- -Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation using text, text, rather than images of text, is used to convey information except where the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
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- q+
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- "When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation using text, then text is used to convey information rather than images of text. When not available, an image of text is used which can be visually customized to the user's requirements".
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- q-
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- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation using text, text, rather than an image of text, is used to convey the information except where the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
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- q+
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- q+
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- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation using text, text, rather than an image of text, is used to convey the information, except where the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
- 22:16:41 [GreggVan]
- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve a desired visual presentation using text, text, rather than an image of text, is used to convey the information, except where the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
- 22:17:51 [GreggVan]
- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve a specific visual presentation, text, rather than an image of text, is used to convey the information, except where the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
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- When an accessibility supported text formatting technology exists to achieve a specific visual presentation, text, rather than an image of text, is used to convey the information, except where the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
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- When an accessibility supported text presentation technology exists to achieve a specific visual presentation, text, rather than an image of text, is used to convey the information, except where the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
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- When an accessibility supported text presentation technology exists to achieve a specific visual presentation, either:
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- a) text, rather than an image of text, is used to convey the information, or
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- b) the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
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- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve a specific visual presentation of text, either:
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- q+
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- ack awk
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- q-
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- q+
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Tim_Boland
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- /me urghghg be right back
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- +??P8
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- zakim, ??P8 is David_MacDonald
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- +David_MacDonald; got it
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- :-(
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- zakim, unmute me
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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- actions?
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- +[IBM]
- 22:38:14 [Andi]
- zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
- 22:39:08 [David_MacDonald]
- Resolution: New wording: When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve a specific visual presentation of text, either:
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- ack a
- 22:39:09 [David_MacDonald]
- a) text, rather than an image of text, is used to convey the information, or
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- b) the image of the text can be visually customized to the user's requirements.
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- DEFINITION
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- customized to the user's requirements.
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- set to the size, colors, and font family needed by the user
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- zakim, next item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MichaelC
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- q?
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- ack b
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 08 Nov 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071108misc/results" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- Topic: Understanding SC 1.1.2 (Live Audio-only)
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- Resolution: Accept Understanding SC 1.1.2 as proposed
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- q+
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- ack a
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- q+
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- Audio or video displayedin conjunction with other time-based content and/or with time-based interactive component that is required for understanding or use of the complete presentation.
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- ack a
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- ack b
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- ack b
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- :-)
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- Audio or video synchronized with other time-based content or with time-based interactive components that are required for understanding or use of the complete presentation.
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- Resolution: Accept definition of syncronized multimedia as amended.
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- resolution: 1992 Editors adopt and respond
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack a
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- ack l
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- q+
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- -David_MacDonald
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, David_MacDonald, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- zakim, mute me
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- bengt has left #wai-wcag
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- +Cynthia_Shelly
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- Zakim, unmute em
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- sorry, David_MacDonald, I do not know which phone connection belongs to em
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- zakim, unmute me
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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- ack a
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- q_
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- q-
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- ack q
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- ack b
- 23:13:16 [David_MacDonald]
- resolution: Andrew will respond to 2029
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- action: Andrew will respond to 2029
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- topic: 2034
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- action: Loretta to draft response to 2034
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- topic: 2059
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- -David_MacDonald
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- +Cynthia_Shelly
- 23:25:32 [MichaelC]
- action: Michael to write response to 2059
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- scribe: GreggVan
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- topic: 2059
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- q+
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- ack a
- 23:35:22 [GreggVan]
- resolution: Gregg Van to write response based on discussion at meeting.
- 23:35:37 [MichaelC]
- topic: 2043
- 23:37:41 [MichaelC]
- action: Cynthia to propose edits to Understanding re 2043
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- topic: 2051
- 23:38:40 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- action: Bruce to write response to 2051
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- topic: 1933
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- action: Gregg to write response to 1933
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- topic: 1969
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- q+
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- ack a
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- -Drew
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- +Drew
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- +Cynthia_Shelly