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17:28:40 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, this is SW_OWL
17:28:40 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be SW_OWL".
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17:28:54 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, this will be SW_OWL
17:28:54 <Zakim> ok, JeremyCarroll; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 28 minutes ago
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17:29:30 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started
17:29:37 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aaaa
17:30:38 <Zakim> +Alan
17:30:56 <Zakim> +??P4
17:31:02 <Zakim> +??P5
17:31:03 <alanr> zakim, aaaa is Conrad
17:31:04 <Zakim> +Conrad; got it
17:31:06 <jjc> Zakim, ?P4 is me
17:31:06 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '?P4'
17:31:13 <jjc> Zakim, ??P4 is me
17:31:13 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
17:31:25 <bijan> zakim, ??p5 is me
17:31:25 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
17:31:31 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:31:31 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:31:34 <alanr> zakim, who is on the line
17:31:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the line', alanr
17:31:37 <bijan> can yu hear me now?
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17:31:45 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
17:31:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted)
17:31:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see ew, jjc, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeremyCarroll, MartinD, CarstenLutz, ivan, bijan, trackbot-ng
17:31:51 <bijan> I'm testing muting
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17:31:57 <bijan> Excellent
17:32:07 <Zakim> +??P6
17:32:09 <MartinD> zakim, ??p6 is me
17:32:09 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
17:32:47 <jjc2> jjc2 has left #owl
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17:33:26 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
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17:33:53 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:33:53 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
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17:34:46 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:34:46 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:35:44 <Zakim> +??P8
17:35:53 <pfps> zakim, ??P8 is me
17:35:53 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
17:35:57 <pfps> zakim, mute me
17:35:57 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
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17:36:42 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:36:42 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
17:37:00 <jjc2> Thursday 15th
17:37:00 <jjc2> Rome           18:30
17:37:00 <jjc2> London         17:30
17:37:00 <jjc2> New York       12:30
17:37:00 <jjc2> Silicon Valley 09:30
17:37:01 <jjc2> Korea  (fri)   02:30
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17:38:20 <pfps> i'm here
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17:38:41 <pfps> well, sud tirol, technically italy
17:38:44 <bijan> whine whine
17:38:48 <jjc2> difficuklt for Bijan, but will try
17:38:50 <pfps> ditto
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17:38:59 <pfps> dead silence :-)
17:39:00 <bijan> Oh, that was "difficult for alan" not bijan
17:39:05 <bijan> I'm not
17:39:15 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:39:15 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
17:39:28 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
17:40:53 <alanr> +1
17:41:14 <jjc> Jeremy + Vipul happy to start on UCR
17:41:22 <jjc> without blanque cheque for publication
17:41:34 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Table_of_Examples
17:41:41 <jjc> no objections heard
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17:41:51 <pfps> ok by me, but I'm not keen on the current format
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17:42:22 <pfps> what is the format for this doc?  I'm assuming Features
17:42:29 <jjc2> item: what are the goals of UFD?
17:42:42 <jjc2> Alan kicks off ...
17:43:00 <jjc2> Alan: I would like statements of what people agree about in documentation
17:43:28 <pfps> brevity is the soul of documents?
17:43:28 <jjc2> Alan: Bijan said documents that are likely to go stale might be not good
17:43:45 <jjc2> someone: disagreed with staleness crtiteria
17:43:57 <jjc2> documents may be useful in the short term and not have life term
17:44:10 <ew> Evan disagreed with staleness criteria
17:44:18 <jjc2> Bijan: I care most about formal deliverables
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17:44:49 <jjc> Bijan: a table created by the WG may be useful into the future
17:45:08 <jjc> old WebOnt OWL 1.0 pages are stale, e.g. which systems pass which tests
17:45:57 <jjc> evan: yes this material could move later
17:46:19 <jjc> bijan and evan agree that they may or may not end up in WG document
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17:48:02 <alanr> q?
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17:48:12 <alanr> q+
17:48:27 <jjc2> Bijan cares most about formal deliverables
17:48:43 <jjc2> (aside on temrinology WG Submission or WG Note)
17:48:47 <bijan> hmm. it was called a note...maybe they changed it back: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-wsdl20-altschemalangs-20050817/
17:49:00 <bijan> Wsdl had a lot of them: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-wsdl20-altschemalangs-20050817/
17:49:11 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
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17:49:20 <Zakim> +Rinke
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17:49:42 <pfps> that's funny - I think that formal docs are the only way to determine how a language works
17:49:50 <Zakim> +Carsten
17:49:53 <jjc> alan: some documents that people might read to learn about the technology produced by this WG
17:50:11 <jjc> bijan: I don't like W3C producing tutorial stsyle material
17:50:19 <CarstenLutz> zakim, mute me
17:50:19 <Zakim> sorry, CarstenLutz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:50:26 <jjc> because it detracts from the key mission of the WG
17:50:39 <alanr> q?
17:50:43 <alanr> ack alanr
17:50:56 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
17:50:56 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
17:50:56 <jjc> and because I produce my own tutorial style material, and I don't like helping the competition 
17:51:09 <Carsten> Ivan, are you there?
17:51:22 <pfps> I think that Alan is making Bijan's point for him.
17:51:37 <jjc> alan: I've seen tutorials scattered over the Web, and I would like to see better materials at W3C, because that's where people go first
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17:52:03 <jjc2> alan: have you seen evidence that W3C efforts stifle 3rd party work
17:52:27 <jjc2> q+ to put my case
17:52:34 <ivan> carsten, sorry, I just took a dinner
17:52:37 <ivan> but I am back
17:52:38 <bijan> q+
17:52:39 <Rinke> zakim, mute me
17:52:40 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted
17:52:45 <ivan> and dialing in a minute
17:53:08 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
17:53:08 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
17:53:09 <Zakim> +Ivan
17:54:18 <ew> I'm having trouble hearing most people
17:54:28 <alanr> q+
17:54:35 <alanr> q- alanr
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17:54:56 <alanr> q+ alanr to talk about people wanting cookbooks/examples of interesting forms
17:55:31 <Carsten> Ivan: now I was away, sorry; what I wanted to say: I am still not on the WG mailing list.
17:55:32 <Carsten> Can you put me on?
17:55:34 <conrad> q+
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17:55:52 <ew> q+
17:56:05 <alanr> ack jjc
17:56:05 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to put my case
17:56:09 <alanr> ack bijan
17:56:11 <ivan> carsten, unfortunately, Sandro has the control of the mailing list
17:56:11 <Ratnesh> Ratnesh from DERI Galway
17:56:22 <jjc> jeremy: i think its good for all WG participants to be to do things in WG, such as taking the technical stuff
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17:56:41 <ivan> could you send him a mail again? hopefully the bug he was referring to is gone
17:56:51 <jjc> and making it more accessible
17:56:51 <Carsten> ivan; ok, then I'll remind him. Ian had already sent him a mail asking to add me, but I guess he overlooked it.
17:57:02 <Carsten> ivan, which bug?
17:57:02 <Zakim> +??P12
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17:57:15 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p12 is bmotik
17:57:15 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
17:57:19 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
17:57:19 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
17:57:26 <ivan> I think he said that there was a bug in the mailing list control, that is why he could not put you on the list
17:57:27 <Zakim> +[IBM]
17:57:38 <Zakim> +Fabien
17:57:41 <Carsten> ivan: ok, I missed that. Will remind him, thanks.
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17:57:59 <Zakim> +??P16
17:58:08 <achille> yes
17:58:15 <jjc2> TIME please on UFDTF
17:58:15 <conrad> User facing people on the WG have an advantage over those who aren't.
17:58:16 <ivan> zakim, [IBM] is Achille
17:58:16 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
17:58:26 <Zakim> +MikeSmith
17:58:39 <Zakim> +??P17
17:58:42 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
17:58:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ??P16,
17:58:45 <achille> ScribeNick: achille
17:58:46 <Zakim> ... MikeSmith, ??P17
17:58:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, jjc, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan,
17:58:49 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng
17:58:54 <Zakim> +??P18
17:59:00 <jjc2> (I appreciate Bijan's openness)
17:59:01 <uli> zakim, ??p17 is me
17:59:01 <Zakim> +uli; got it
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17:59:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
17:59:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ??P16,
17:59:32 <Zakim> ... MikeSmith, uli, MarkusK
17:59:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see IanH, achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, jjc, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan,
17:59:36 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng
17:59:41 <alanr> q?
17:59:44 <alanr> ack alanr
17:59:45 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to talk about people wanting cookbooks/examples of interesting forms
17:59:48 <alanr> ack conrad
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17:59:58 <ew> Bijan has already been blocking
18:00:14 <Zakim> +??P19
18:00:18 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:00:18 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
18:00:20 <Zakim> +IanH
18:00:31 <pfps> zakim, mute me
18:00:31 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
18:00:34 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
18:00:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien,
18:00:37 <Zakim> ... ??P16, MikeSmith, uli, MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH
18:00:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan,
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18:00:41 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng
18:00:52 <bijan> I agree
18:01:00 <alanr> q?
18:01:04 <alanr> ack ew
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18:02:13 <ivan> zakim, ??P16 is Fabian
18:02:13 <Zakim> +Fabian; got it
18:02:34 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
18:02:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien,
18:02:37 <Zakim> ... Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH
18:02:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc2, zhe, jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan,
18:02:42 <Zakim> ... bijan, trackbot-ng
18:02:44 <bijan> Evan, I'm not saying I would block this work...or indeed any work. But a standards group involves negotiation. I've not heard a lot of negotitation.
18:02:52 <Rinke> bernardo?
18:02:59 <bernardo> zakim ??p21 is bernardo
18:03:18 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
18:03:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien,
18:03:21 <Zakim> ... Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH
18:03:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc2, zhe, jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan,
18:03:25 <Zakim> ... bijan, trackbot-ng
18:03:26 <Ratnesh> P19 = Ratnesh
18:03:48 <Zakim> -Conrad
18:03:51 <IanH> unmute me
18:03:51 <ivan> zakim, mute me
18:03:51 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
18:03:57 <Zakim> +Zhe_Wu
18:04:00 <achille> ScribeNick: achille
18:04:13 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:04:13 <Zakim> bijan was already muted, bijan
18:04:29 <jjc> jjc has joined #owl
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18:05:10 <IanH> My phone just went dead!
18:05:15 <alanr> i don't hear anyone
18:05:21 <IanH> Me neither
18:05:45 <IanH> unmute me
18:06:00 <uli> I could hear a child just now
18:06:11 <IanH> unmute me
18:06:18 <IanH> I am!
18:06:19 <jjc> Zakim, unmute IanH
18:06:19 <Zakim> IanH should no longer be muted
18:06:51 <DougL> DougL has joined #owl
18:07:20 <achille> PROPOSED: Accept the previous minutes
18:07:22 <Zakim> +Doug
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18:07:52 <pfps> +1 to accept minutes
18:07:56 <ivan> +1
18:07:57 <achille> +1
18:08:02 <Rinke> +1
18:08:03 <Ratnesh> +1
18:08:11 <achille> RESOLVED: minutes accepted
18:08:51 <DougL> Zakim, who is on the phone
18:08:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', DougL
18:08:57 <pfps> NONONONON
18:09:01 <Rinke> except for the images
18:09:03 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
18:09:03 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
18:09:09 <achille> ACTION Send email reminding people to make wiki account
18:09:20 <jjc> jjc has joined #owl
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18:09:24 <achille> POSTPONE
18:09:30 <pfps> zakim, mute me
18:09:30 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
18:09:55 <achille> ACTION Sandro: migration of documents
18:09:56 <pfps> sandro sent out a message concerning where to put the images
18:10:02 <achille> Postponed
18:10:12 <pfps> there are *two* documents
18:10:13 <jjc> alan said avout reminder email that the naming conventions were unclear, and Sandro is clarifying
18:10:26 <achille> ACTION 6:  Done
18:10:39 <pfps> should the link to the duplicate page be removed?
18:10:45 <ivan> Topic: Issues
18:11:30 <Rinke> +1 to removing the (link to the) duplicate page
18:11:42 <achille> Topic : Issue 2
18:11:54 <pfps> both http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Issues and http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/HowIssuesAreProcessed tell how issues are processed
18:11:58 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:11:58 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
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18:12:04 <DougL> Zakim, who is on the phone?
18:12:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alan, jjc (muted), bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien
18:12:04 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
18:12:07 <Zakim> ... (muted), Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH, Zhe_Wu, Doug
18:12:09 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
18:12:26 <Rinke> perhaps turn HowIssuesAreProcessed into a redirect to Issues
18:12:41 <ew> +1 to Bijan's viewpoint on this
18:12:50 <pfps> q+
18:12:52 <achille> ian: does new properties affect backward compatibility
18:13:08 <Ratnesh> P19 = Ratnesh 
18:13:09 <achille> s/does/ do
18:13:21 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:13:21 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
18:13:35 <ew> Cardinality Q was also turned down
18:13:46 <bijan> ooo, excellent point ew
18:14:02 <alanr> q+
18:14:08 <alanr> ack pfps
18:14:11 <jjc2> Zakim, ?P19 is Ratnesh
18:14:11 <Zakim> sorry, jjc2, I do not recognize a party named '?P19'
18:14:20 <jjc2> Zakim, ??P19 is Ratnesh
18:14:20 <Zakim> +Ratnesh; got it
18:14:21 <IanH> q?
18:14:33 <bijan> Does peter actually object? Can't we just disagree with the old group?
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18:15:11 <Carsten> I disagree. There are usually *many* disjoint classes. Only ontology designers overlook that and 
18:15:13 <Carsten> usually fail to state it.
18:15:15 <IanH> q?
18:15:20 <IanH> ack
18:15:28 <IanH> q?
18:15:32 <bijan> I see peter's point...this is a owl full thing
18:15:52 <pfps> many large disjointness sets (a disjointness set with thousands of elements)
18:15:58 <Zakim> +[IVML]
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18:16:04 <pfps> there can be lots of small disjointness sets
18:16:04 <IanH> How do I ack someone else?
18:16:10 <achille> alanr : the assumption that there will not be a lot of disjoint is not correct 
18:16:19 <ivan> ack alanr
18:16:21 <bijan> +1 to alan
18:16:24 <Carsten> peter: if you have thousands of classes, why not?
18:16:30 <pfps> if your disjointness sets are small then you don't get many extra triples
18:16:31 <bijan> we get this request all the time
18:16:37 <bijan> NO NO NO NO
18:16:41 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:16:41 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
18:16:43 <IanH> q?
18:17:07 <ew> q+
18:17:12 <bmotik> It is not just the disjointness. In the functional spec, you can have equivalences between n classes, but in RDF you can have only pair-wise equivalences. This is inherited from OWL 1.0 RDF mapping.
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18:17:29 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:17:29 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
18:17:30 <GiorgosStoilos> zakim, [IVML] is me
18:17:31 <Zakim> +GiorgosStoilos; got it
18:18:06 <IanH> q?
18:18:17 <pfps> but it is easy and direct to put a large equivalence set into RDF with no size increase
18:18:22 <alanr> q?
18:18:27 <IanH> ack ew
18:18:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:18:55 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
18:19:05 <bmotik> The same thing also holds for properties (disjointness and equivalences). It is probably a good idea to come up with the same solution for all of these constructs, not just for disjointness.
18:19:16 <bijan> +1 to bmotik
18:19:23 <jjc2> disagree with bmotik
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18:19:33 <bmotik> And there are also sameAs and differentFrom on individuals.
18:19:33 <DougL> +p
18:19:34 <IanH> q?
18:19:46 <DougL> +q
18:19:55 <pfps> Alan's case seems to be quite compelling
18:20:18 <IanH> q?
18:20:33 <achille> ianh:  AllDisjoint does not necessary have a negative impact on implementations 
18:20:40 <IanH> ?q
18:20:44 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:20:44 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
18:21:17 <achille> who is speaking?
18:21:35 <pfps> zakim, mute me
18:21:35 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
18:21:42 <DougL> that was me, achille
18:21:50 <bmotik> OK, I'll just add this to the issue.
18:21:53 <alanr> q?
18:21:59 <pfps> i never had an objection, just a caution
18:21:59 <IanH> ?q
18:22:00 <alanr> ack DougL
18:22:09 <jjc> q+ on back chat
18:22:09 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
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18:22:20 <jjc> q+ to mention back chat
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18:22:28 <pfps> zakim, mute me
18:22:28 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
18:22:30 <alanr> q?
18:22:41 <jjc2> ack jjc
18:22:41 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to mention back chat
18:22:52 <alanr> +1
18:22:59 <pfps> ok by me
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18:23:02 <ew> +1
18:23:05 <DougL> sounds good to me
18:23:05 <achille> ianh: should we make the change in the docs for AllDisjoint
18:23:06 <jjc2> +1
18:23:08 <ivan> not against
18:23:08 <achille> +1
18:23:11 <Rinke> +1
18:23:14 <zhe> +1
18:23:14 <Carsten> +1
18:23:15 <FabianNeuhaus> +1
18:23:15 <uli> +1
18:23:23 <MikeSmith_> +1 for AllDisjoint
18:23:30 <bijan> +1 for AllDisjoint
18:23:46 <achille> RESOLVED: Issue 2 AllDisjoint will be added in the docs
18:24:10 <bijan> ?
18:24:13 <pfps> do it the same way that allDifferent is handled in OWL 1.0
18:24:16 <IanH> q?
18:24:41 <alanr> presume that the rdf mapping will be O(n)
18:24:44 <pfps> it is in the FS already, right?
18:24:59 <bijan> pfps, no! it seems!
18:25:00 <alanr> q?
18:25:10 <bijan> ah it is
18:25:14 <bijan> disjointClasses
18:25:34 <bijan> Here: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Class_or_Description_Axioms
18:25:35 <pfps> how about: treat DisjointClasses like DifferentIndividuals?
18:25:36 <achille> RESOLVED: AllDisjoint will be added to the functional syntax and the RDF mapping
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18:25:48 <bijan> """The disjointClasses axiom takes a set of descriptions and states that all descriptions from the set are pair-wise disjoint."""
18:25:50 <bijan> It is in
18:26:13 <alanr> RESOLVED: Issue 2 A O(n) rdf mapping of disjointClasses will be added
18:26:36 <pfps> votes?
18:27:02 <pfps> we changed the resolution, so it is probably best to confirm the change
18:27:08 <alanr> +1
18:27:16 <pfps> +1
18:27:16 <bijan> +1 for current resolution
18:27:17 <achille> +1
18:27:22 <DougL> +1
18:27:23 <Rinke> +1
18:27:23 <MikeSmith_> +1 for current resolution
18:27:24 <Ratnesh> +1
18:27:25 <MartinD> +1
18:27:25 <ivan> zakim, draft minutes
18:27:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', ivan
18:27:25 <uli> +1
18:27:25 <jjc> +1 
18:27:26 <bernardo> +1
18:27:37 <ivan> +1
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18:27:55 <bijan> it taeks an arbitrary number
18:28:00 <bijan> disjointClasses := 'DisjointClasses' '(' { annotation } description description { description } ')'
18:28:07 <bijan> Brackets!
18:28:19 <achille> Topic: Issue 3 (anonymous individuals)
18:28:48 <IanH> q?
18:29:06 <bijan> q+
18:29:12 <alanr> Individual(type(owl:Thing)) legal in 1.0
18:29:40 <uli> but this doesn't help us to refer to it?
18:29:47 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:29:47 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
18:29:49 <Carsten> q+
18:29:51 <alanr> "overzealous"
18:29:58 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
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18:30:05 <jjc2> Jeremy: was the lack of this a bug? or deliberate?
18:30:07 <achille> jeremy: no anonymous individual in owl 1.1. Is it a bug? 
18:30:25 <IanH> Q?
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18:30:28 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me.
18:30:29 <achille> pfps: is a bug
18:30:33 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
18:30:34 <bmotik> +q bmotik
18:30:37 <IanH> Q?
18:30:45 <ivan> ack bijan 
18:30:53 <alanr> tree-like
18:31:06 <IanH> Q?
18:31:14 <IanH> q?
18:31:43 <alanr> also see http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/23
18:32:00 <pfps> I would like to see a proposal
18:32:00 <Carsten> zakim, unmute me
18:32:00 <Zakim> Carsten should no longer be muted
18:32:03 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:32:03 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
18:32:03 <IanH> q?
18:32:12 <IanH> ack carsten
18:32:19 <pfps> zakim, mute me
18:32:19 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
18:32:34 <bijan> Ooo, interesting!
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18:33:10 <bernardo> we don't have the universal role in Owl 1.1
18:33:14 <achille> Carsten:  related to having a universal property.  should  we consider adding universal property? 
18:33:26 <bernardo> but, it was included in SROIQ
18:33:48 <uli> which is why we mention this here
18:33:54 <achille> Carsten: it will allow  anonymous individuals 
18:34:18 <IanH> q?
18:34:46 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
18:34:46 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
18:35:06 <Carsten> zakim, unmute me
18:35:06 <Zakim> Carsten should no longer be muted
18:35:12 <jjc2> [I would like non-tree like stuff, as well as tree stuff, and this issue is only the first step but ...]
18:35:36 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
18:35:36 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
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18:35:46 <achille> Carsten: Universal property is more general. It will make anonymous individuals a special case
18:35:49 <IanH> q?
18:35:58 <Carsten> correct
18:35:59 <uli> yes
18:36:38 <alanr> in above we are talking about "tree-like" networks of anonymous individuals
18:36:43 <jjc> q+ to propose resolution Issue 3 is a bug report. Action pfps to fix
18:36:58 <ivan> ack bmotik 
18:37:13 <IanH> q?
18:37:29 <achille> bmotik: arbitrary anonymous individuals could yield to undecideability 
18:37:30 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
18:37:30 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
18:37:45 <bijan> How about close this with tree ones and opening a new issue
18:37:46 <uli> but there aren't any anon. inds. in the owl1.1? Can you clarify, Boris? 
18:38:00 <bmotik> To be more precise: nontree like anonymous individuals (in an ABox) easily make ontology entailment undecidable
18:38:02 <alanr> Ian and I had a discussion about this a while ago concerning when we could distinguish skolems from bnodes
18:38:05 <ivan> ack jjc
18:38:05 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to propose resolution Issue 3 is a bug report. Action pfps to fix
18:38:07 <alanr> I will look it up
18:38:11 <jjc> jeremy bows to the chair
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18:38:19 <alanr> negated property values 1 issue
18:38:25 <bijan> Action to boris to start the discussion?
18:38:31 <bijan> Or someone?
18:38:36 <achille> ianh: we will not be able to resolve it now
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18:38:47 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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18:38:49 <achille> ianh: we should continue on emails
18:38:51 <pfps> make sure the emails include ISSUE-3 or ISSUE-23
18:39:07 <jjc2> +1 to bijan
18:39:14 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:39:14 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
18:39:15 <Carsten> I am not on the mailinglist
18:39:31 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:39:31 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
18:39:35 <Carsten> But working on it :)
18:39:41 <jjc2> (neither am I, but can partifcipate nevertheless
18:39:50 <bijan> zkaim, mute me
18:40:05 <bijan> YEs!
18:40:09 <bmotik> Sire
18:40:10 <bijan> +1 to boris starting it
18:40:11 <bmotik> Sure
18:40:26 <achille> ACTION Boris: send an email on issue 3 
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18:40:57 <achille> Topic : Issue 11 and 28 (datatype facets)
18:41:09 <IanH> q?
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18:41:49 <bijan> Is this only for hte XML sytnax?
18:42:09 <bijan> If so, shouldn'tw e defer until we've decided about the XML sytnax?
18:42:12 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:42:12 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
18:42:20 <IanH> q?
18:42:53 <ew> Its part of the structural spec
18:43:00 <IanH> q?
18:43:09 <bijan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2007JanMar/0127.html
18:43:22 <Rinke> zakim, mute me
18:43:22 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted
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18:43:54 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
18:43:54 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
18:43:54 <alanr> q?
18:43:55 <IanH> q?
18:43:57 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:43:57 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
18:43:59 <bmotik> The reason why we have no several facts is rather arbitrary: we just didn't think of it. I believe we can easily extend the language to be more practicable.
18:44:04 <bijan> I don't undersatnd this issue ;)
18:44:31 <jjc2> Why can't we use user names in this syntax ?
18:44:35 <achille> pfps:  I thought the issue was about the XML serialization
18:44:45 <bijan> We could ask evren to come on
18:44:48 <bijan> next week
18:44:49 <achille> ianh: let's move on since we do not understand it
18:45:06 <bmotik> The XML schema is now different from what is reporeted in the issue. It was likely a bug that I just fixed later.
18:45:17 <bmotik> I was talking about issue 11
18:45:21 <bijan> They both go back to evren's email
18:45:23 <IanH> q?
18:45:27 <bijan> Both 28 and 11
18:45:30 <Zakim> -Alan
18:45:48 <achille> ianh: Let's nominate someone to start an email discussion
18:45:53 <bmotik> +q
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18:46:00 <IanH> q?
18:46:02 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
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18:46:03 <ivan> ack bmotik 
18:46:30 <achille> bmotik: it is about having multiple facets. 
18:46:38 <bijan> That sounds promising!
18:46:56 <pfps> suggest sending a message to Evrin to ask him if he thinks 11 is resolved
18:47:03 <jjc> move to email
18:47:04 <achille> bmotik: we should add them it was a bug in the XML Schema
18:47:11 <Zakim> +Alan
18:47:20 <IanH> q?
18:47:29 <ivan> q+
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18:47:35 <achille> bmotik: no problem either for issue 28
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18:47:42 <bijan> close 11 and resolut 28 with action to liberalize the syntax
18:48:43 <achille> ACTION Boris: send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28
18:49:35 <IanH> q?
18:49:42 <ivan> ack ivan
18:49:53 <achille> Topic: Issue 13 and 14 (quotation and CURIES)
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18:50:31 <ivan> see http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/28 notes
18:50:35 <bijan> This relates to whether we can use the XML Schema syntax
18:50:37 <ivan> zakim, mute me
18:50:37 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
18:50:42 <bijan> q+
18:51:00 <bmotik> I can stay
18:51:08 <jjc> (I would like to go on the hour)
18:51:09 <bijan> q-
18:51:26 <achille> ianh: let's talk about the second f2f
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18:51:32 <bijan> q+ to talk about first f2f
18:51:33 <IanH> q?
18:51:34 <pfps> browser bombed
18:51:40 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
18:51:40 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps
18:51:47 <achille> Topic: second f2f
18:51:47 <IanH> q?
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18:52:16 <IanH> q?
18:52:21 <jjc2> peter: thje second f2f seems a long way away but it's not - Jeremy wonders whether it's on the moon.
18:52:33 <achille> pfps: collocate the 2nd f2f with OWLED 
18:52:55 <bijan> +1
18:52:59 <Carsten> is OWLED collocated with any conference?
18:53:07 <bijan> Carsten, no
18:53:09 <jjc2> dates of OWLED again?
18:53:31 <IanH> q?
18:53:41 <jjc2> dates: 1-4 April 2 days
18:53:43 <achille> pfps: Proposed date 1,2,3 of April 2008
18:53:49 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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18:53:50 <pfps> this is "interim" OWLED which will not be colocated
18:54:09 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
18:54:09 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
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18:54:29 <achille> ianh: online poll should be done
18:54:29 <achille> ianh: online poll should be done
18:54:45 <achille> pfps: any objections for the date?
18:54:51 <IanH> q?
18:54:54 <jjc> q+ to www2008
18:55:13 <bijan> Who would host?
18:55:17 <ivan> for info: april 21-25 are the dates for WWW2008
18:55:39 <uli> possibly
18:55:40 <ivan> i will be in china
18:55:41 <alanr> +1
18:55:42 <bernardo> possibly
18:55:42 <MarkusK> possibly
18:55:43 <Carsten> -1
18:55:45 <jjc> possibly
18:55:46 <pfps> maybe me, but not too likely
18:55:48 <bijan> possibly
18:55:49 <FabianNeuhaus> -1
18:55:49 <achille> -1
18:55:49 <GiorgosStoilos> possible
18:55:52 <Elisa> -1
18:55:52 <ew> -1
18:56:00 <Ratnesh> maybe
18:56:02 <Rinke> -1
18:56:03 <MikeSmith_> -1 to www2008
18:56:04 <zhe> -1
18:56:13 <ivan> ack ivan
18:56:31 <bijan> So, w3c would host?
18:56:39 <jjc> ivan: w3c china could help host
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18:56:53 <bmotik> Where is the XML Schema stored in the working drafts? I see the XML Ser. document, but it has no pointer to the actual schema.
18:57:20 <achille> ivan: would be happy to help with hosting it in China
18:58:07 <achille> ivan: if the group decides to do it in China, we can do it
18:58:30 <achille> pfps: we also need time to do publicity
18:59:38 <achille> ACTION pfps: send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED
18:59:38 <bijan> bmotik, I don't think they are there...I suppose you could  upload it ot the wiki and attach it to the page
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19:00:02 <achille> sorry I send the action to pfps
19:00:06 <bmotik> bijan, how do I do that? I don't know much about Wikis...
19:00:22 <achille> ivan, how do I change it to Ianh?
19:00:33 <ivan> good question:-)
19:00:49 <bijan> hmm. Not obvious to me, boris
19:00:51 <achille> ACTION ianh: send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED
19:01:03 <achille> sorry pfps
19:01:12 <Rinke> the wiki needs to accept uploads of that type: it usually only accepts jpg's etc
19:01:16 <bijan> Oh! look in teh sidebar
19:01:20 <bijan> There's an "upload file"
19:01:24 <achille> thanks pfps
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19:01:29 <IanH> q?
19:01:31 <Zakim> -jjc
19:02:08 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F f2f meeting page
19:02:13 <pfps> have Ian send out an email about this
19:02:37 <achille> bijan: please add your name in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F f2f  if you are coming to the first f2f
19:02:55 <bijan> zakim, mute me
19:02:55 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
19:03:00 <IanH> q?
19:03:09 <ivan> ack bijan 
19:03:09 <achille> Topic: additional other business?
19:03:10 <bijan> q-
19:03:11 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to talk about first f2f
19:03:13 <bijan> yes
19:03:17 <bijan> \I'm done
19:03:26 <ivan> ack jjc
19:03:26 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to www2008
19:03:54 <pfps> yes
19:03:59 <bijan> close as manya s possible
19:04:06 <pfps> let's knock off the editorial ones
19:04:07 <ivan> for cca. 10-15 minutes
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19:04:34 <achille> Topic: Issue 13 and 14
19:04:41 <bmotik> I tried uploading the XML schema, but the system said that .xsd is not a supported extension
19:04:47 <Zakim> -Fabien
19:04:59 <bijan> Ok, send an email to sandro
19:05:12 <IanH> q?
19:05:22 <pfps> jeremy is probably the closest thing we have to an expert here
19:05:38 <bijan> I propose to reuse the Turtle string quoting conventions
19:05:44 <pfps> which are?
19:05:44 <bijan> Common, comprehensive, easy to lift
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19:06:09 <MarkusK> http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/#sec-strings
19:06:54 <bijan> I feel pretty sure that the Turtle spec covers everything RDF can handle
19:07:00 <pfps> these are roughly the same as RDF quoting
19:07:01 <bijan> Wait! are we resolving on taht?
19:07:07 <pfps> Yes, wait.
19:07:09 <ivan> q+
19:07:15 <IanH> q?
19:07:32 <bijan> Yes, alanr, curies can represent properites that rdf/xml cannot
19:07:37 <ivan> ack ivan
19:07:47 <alanr> so can abstract syntax
19:08:02 <bijan> So can turtle
19:08:37 <pfps> pointer to rdfa?
19:08:45 <Zakim> -IanH
19:08:50 <bijan> q+
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19:08:58 <Rinke> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/
19:09:10 <bijan> ack bijan
19:09:11 <IanH> Sorry, but I have to run off
19:09:20 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
19:09:20 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
19:10:12 <bijan> zakim, mute me
19:10:19 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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19:10:58 <Rinke> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/
19:11:43 <bijan> We'd need that for more arbitrary patterns of bnodes
19:11:51 <bijan> But that's delegated to email discussion
19:13:04 <alanr> PROPOSED: Resolved issue 13 by adopting quotation from turtle (\). Resolve 14 by adopting SPARQL syntax for extended qnames.
19:13:09 <MarkusK> +1
19:13:10 <alanr> +1
19:13:11 <bijan> +1 
19:13:12 <ivan> +1
19:13:15 <Elisa> +1
19:13:16 <Rinke> +1
19:13:16 <MikeSmith_> +1 resolution for issue 13
19:13:17 <uli> +1
19:13:26 <MikeSmith_> +1 to resolution for issue 14
19:13:29 <GiorgosStoilos> +1
19:13:31 <pfps> +1 on the straw poll, but I would like to take a look to finalize
19:13:37 <Ratnesh> +1
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19:13:53 <MartinD> +1
19:13:59 <pfps> I guess that we can invoke the one week rule if necessary
19:14:03 <alanr> RESOLVED: Resolved issue 13 by adopting quotation from turtle (\). Resolve 14 by adopting SPARQL syntax for extended qnames. (with checkin one written into the spec)
19:14:48 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
19:14:49 <bmotik> bye
19:14:50 <Zakim> -Doug
19:14:51 <Rinke> bye
19:14:51 <Zakim> -MikeSmith_
19:14:52 <uli> bye
19:14:52 <Zakim> -Zhe_Wu
19:14:53 <Zakim> -Alan
19:14:54 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
19:14:54 <Zakim> -Ratnesh
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19:14:55 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
19:14:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-minutes.html ivan
19:14:56 <Zakim> -bijan
19:14:56 <Ratnesh> bye
19:14:57 <Zakim> -bmotik
19:14:57 <MarkusK> bye
19:14:58 <Zakim> -pfps
19:14:59 <Zakim> -Rinke
19:15:01 <Zakim> -Fabian
19:15:02 <MikeSmith_> bye
19:15:03 <Zakim> -MarkusK
19:15:05 <Zakim> -Ivan
19:15:05 <achille> ivan, do I need to do something special as the scribe
19:15:07 <Zakim> -Carsten
19:15:11 <Zakim> -MartinD
19:15:17 <GiorgosStoilos> zakim, drop GiorgosStoilos
19:15:17 <Zakim> GiorgosStoilos is being disconnected
19:15:18 <Zakim> -GiorgosStoilos
19:15:19 <Zakim> -Achille
19:15:27 <bernardo> Zakim, disconnect me
19:15:27 <Zakim> sorry, bernardo, I do not see a party named 'bernardo'
19:15:42 <MartinD> MartinD has left #OWL
19:15:46 <bijan> bernardo, just hang up :)
19:16:21 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
19:16:30 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
19:16:35 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
19:16:35 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-actions.rdf :
19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sandro to migration of documents [1]
19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-09-55
19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: 6 to Done [2]
19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-10-26
19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to send an email on issue 3  [3]
19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-40-26
19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28 [4]
19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-48-43
19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [5]
19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-59-38
19:16:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ianh to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [6]
19:16:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T19-00-51