IRC log of owl on 2007-11-07

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17:28:40 [JeremyCarroll]: Zakim, this is SW_OWL
17:28:40 [Zakim]: JeremyCarroll, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be SW_OWL".
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17:28:54 [JeremyCarroll]: Zakim, this will be SW_OWL
17:28:54 [Zakim]: ok, JeremyCarroll; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 28 minutes ago
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17:29:30 [Zakim]: SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started
17:29:37 [Zakim]: + +1.301.975.aaaa
17:30:38 [Zakim]: +Alan
17:30:56 [Zakim]: +??P4
17:31:02 [Zakim]: +??P5
17:31:03 [alanr]: zakim, aaaa is Conrad
17:31:04 [Zakim]: +Conrad; got it
17:31:06 [jjc]: Zakim, ?P4 is me
17:31:06 [Zakim]: sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named '?P4'
17:31:13 [jjc]: Zakim, ??P4 is me
17:31:13 [Zakim]: +jjc; got it
17:31:25 [bijan]: zakim, ??p5 is me
17:31:25 [Zakim]: +bijan; got it
17:31:31 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
17:31:31 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
17:31:34 [alanr]: zakim, who is on the line
17:31:34 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'who is on the line', alanr
17:31:37 [bijan]: can yu hear me now?
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17:31:45 [alanr]: zakim, who is here?
17:31:45 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted)
17:31:46 [Zakim]: On IRC I see ew, jjc, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, JeremyCarroll, MartinD, CarstenLutz, ivan, bijan, trackbot-ng
17:31:51 [bijan]: I'm testing muting
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17:31:57 [bijan]: Excellent
17:32:07 [Zakim]: +??P6
17:32:09 [MartinD]: zakim, ??p6 is me
17:32:09 [Zakim]: +MartinD; got it
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17:33:26 [Zakim]: +Evan_Wallace
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17:33:53 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
17:33:53 [Zakim]: bijan should no longer be muted
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17:34:46 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
17:34:46 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
17:35:44 [Zakim]: +??P8
17:35:53 [pfps]: zakim, ??P8 is me
17:35:53 [Zakim]: +pfps; got it
17:35:57 [pfps]: zakim, mute me
17:35:57 [Zakim]: pfps should now be muted
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17:36:42 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
17:36:42 [Zakim]: bijan should no longer be muted
17:37:00 [jjc2]: Thursday 15th
17:37:00 [jjc2]: Rome 18:30
17:37:00 [jjc2]: London 17:30
17:37:00 [jjc2]: New York 12:30
17:37:00 [jjc2]: Silicon Valley 09:30
17:37:01 [jjc2]: Korea (fri) 02:30
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17:38:20 [pfps]: i'm here
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17:38:41 [pfps]: well, sud tirol, technically italy
17:38:44 [bijan]: whine whine
17:38:48 [jjc2]: difficuklt for Bijan, but will try
17:38:50 [pfps]: ditto
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17:38:59 [pfps]: dead silence :-)
17:39:00 [bijan]: Oh, that was "difficult for alan" not bijan
17:39:05 [bijan]: I'm not
17:39:15 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
17:39:15 [Zakim]: bijan was not muted, bijan
17:39:28 [Zakim]: +Elisa_Kendall
17:40:53 [alanr]: +1
17:41:14 [jjc]: Jeremy + Vipul happy to start on UCR
17:41:22 [jjc]: without blanque cheque for publication
17:41:34 [bijan]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Table_of_Examples
17:41:41 [jjc]: no objections heard
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17:41:51 [pfps]: ok by me, but I'm not keen on the current format
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17:42:22 [pfps]: what is the format for this doc? I'm assuming Features
17:42:29 [jjc2]: item: what are the goals of UFD?
17:42:42 [jjc2]: Alan kicks off ...
17:43:00 [jjc2]: Alan: I would like statements of what people agree about in documentation
17:43:28 [pfps]: brevity is the soul of documents?
17:43:28 [jjc2]: Alan: Bijan said documents that are likely to go stale might be not good
17:43:45 [jjc2]: someone: disagreed with staleness crtiteria
17:43:57 [jjc2]: documents may be useful in the short term and not have life term
17:44:10 [ew]: Evan disagreed with staleness criteria
17:44:18 [jjc2]: Bijan: I care most about formal deliverables
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17:44:49 [jjc]: Bijan: a table created by the WG may be useful into the future
17:45:08 [jjc]: old WebOnt OWL 1.0 pages are stale, e.g. which systems pass which tests
17:45:57 [jjc]: evan: yes this material could move later
17:46:19 [jjc]: bijan and evan agree that they may or may not end up in WG document
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17:48:02 [alanr]: q?
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17:48:12 [alanr]: q+
17:48:27 [jjc2]: Bijan cares most about formal deliverables
17:48:43 [jjc2]: (aside on temrinology WG Submission or WG Note)
17:48:47 [bijan]: hmm. it was called a note...maybe they changed it back: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-wsdl20-altschemalangs-20050817/
17:49:00 [bijan]: Wsdl had a lot of them: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-wsdl20-altschemalangs-20050817/
17:49:11 [bijan]: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
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17:49:20 [Zakim]: +Rinke
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17:49:42 [pfps]: that's funny - I think that formal docs are the only way to determine how a language works
17:49:50 [Zakim]: +Carsten
17:49:53 [jjc]: alan: some documents that people might read to learn about the technology produced by this WG
17:50:11 [jjc]: bijan: I don't like W3C producing tutorial stsyle material
17:50:19 [CarstenLutz]: zakim, mute me
17:50:19 [Zakim]: sorry, CarstenLutz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:50:26 [jjc]: because it detracts from the key mission of the WG
17:50:39 [alanr]: q?
17:50:43 [alanr]: ack alanr
17:50:56 [Carsten]: zakim, mute me
17:50:56 [Zakim]: Carsten should now be muted
17:50:56 [jjc]: and because I produce my own tutorial style material, and I don't like helping the competition
17:51:09 [Carsten]: Ivan, are you there?
17:51:22 [pfps]: I think that Alan is making Bijan's point for him.
17:51:37 [jjc]: alan: I've seen tutorials scattered over the Web, and I would like to see better materials at W3C, because that's where people go first
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17:52:03 [jjc2]: alan: have you seen evidence that W3C efforts stifle 3rd party work
17:52:27 [jjc2]: q+ to put my case
17:52:34 [ivan]: carsten, sorry, I just took a dinner
17:52:37 [ivan]: but I am back
17:52:38 [bijan]: q+
17:52:39 [Rinke]: zakim, mute me
17:52:40 [Zakim]: Rinke should now be muted
17:52:45 [ivan]: and dialing in a minute
17:53:08 [ivan]: zakim, dial ivan-voip
17:53:08 [Zakim]: ok, ivan; the call is being made
17:53:09 [Zakim]: +Ivan
17:54:18 [ew]: I'm having trouble hearing most people
17:54:28 [alanr]: q+
17:54:35 [alanr]: q- alanr
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17:54:56 [alanr]: q+ alanr to talk about people wanting cookbooks/examples of interesting forms
17:55:31 [Carsten]: Ivan: now I was away, sorry; what I wanted to say: I am still not on the WG mailing list.
17:55:32 [Carsten]: Can you put me on?
17:55:34 [conrad]: q+
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17:55:52 [ew]: q+
17:56:05 [alanr]: ack jjc
17:56:05 [Zakim]: jjc, you wanted to put my case
17:56:09 [alanr]: ack bijan
17:56:11 [ivan]: carsten, unfortunately, Sandro has the control of the mailing list
17:56:11 [Ratnesh]: Ratnesh from DERI Galway
17:56:22 [jjc]: jeremy: i think its good for all WG participants to be to do things in WG, such as taking the technical stuff
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17:56:41 [ivan]: could you send him a mail again? hopefully the bug he was referring to is gone
17:56:51 [jjc]: and making it more accessible
17:56:51 [Carsten]: ivan; ok, then I'll remind him. Ian had already sent him a mail asking to add me, but I guess he overlooked it.
17:57:02 [Carsten]: ivan, which bug?
17:57:02 [Zakim]: +??P12
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17:57:15 [bmotik]: Zakim, ??p12 is bmotik
17:57:15 [Zakim]: +bmotik; got it
17:57:19 [bmotik]: Zakim, mute me
17:57:19 [Zakim]: bmotik should now be muted
17:57:26 [ivan]: I think he said that there was a bug in the mailing list control, that is why he could not put you on the list
17:57:27 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
17:57:38 [Zakim]: +Fabien
17:57:41 [Carsten]: ivan: ok, I missed that. Will remind him, thanks.
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17:57:59 [Zakim]: +??P16
17:58:08 [achille]: yes
17:58:15 [jjc2]: TIME please on UFDTF
17:58:15 [conrad]: User facing people on the WG have an advantage over those who aren't.
17:58:16 [ivan]: zakim, [IBM] is Achille
17:58:16 [Zakim]: +Achille; got it
17:58:26 [Zakim]: +MikeSmith
17:58:39 [Zakim]: +??P17
17:58:42 [ivan]: zakim, who is here?
17:58:42 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ??P16,
17:58:45 [achille]: ScribeNick: achille
17:58:46 [Zakim]: ... MikeSmith, ??P17
17:58:47 [Zakim]: On IRC I see achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, jjc, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan,
17:58:49 [Zakim]: ... trackbot-ng
17:58:54 [Zakim]: +??P18
17:59:00 [jjc2]: (I appreciate Bijan's openness)
17:59:01 [uli]: zakim, ??p17 is me
17:59:01 [Zakim]: +uli; got it
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17:59:29 [ivan]: zakim, who is here?
17:59:29 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, ??P16,
17:59:32 [Zakim]: ... MikeSmith, uli, MarkusK
17:59:33 [Zakim]: On IRC I see IanH, achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, jjc, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan,
17:59:36 [Zakim]: ... trackbot-ng
17:59:41 [alanr]: q?
17:59:44 [alanr]: ack alanr
17:59:45 [Zakim]: alanr, you wanted to talk about people wanting cookbooks/examples of interesting forms
17:59:48 [alanr]: ack conrad
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17:59:58 [ew]: Bijan has already been blocking
18:00:14 [Zakim]: +??P19
18:00:18 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
18:00:18 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
18:00:20 [Zakim]: +IanH
18:00:31 [pfps]: zakim, mute me
18:00:31 [Zakim]: pfps was already muted, pfps
18:00:34 [ivan]: zakim, who is here?
18:00:34 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien,
18:00:37 [Zakim]: ... ??P16, MikeSmith, uli, MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH
18:00:38 [Zakim]: On IRC I see jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, jjc2, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan, bijan,
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18:00:41 [Zakim]: ... trackbot-ng
18:00:52 [bijan]: I agree
18:01:00 [alanr]: q?
18:01:04 [alanr]: ack ew
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18:02:13 [ivan]: zakim, ??P16 is Fabian
18:02:13 [Zakim]: +Fabian; got it
18:02:34 [ivan]: zakim, who is here?
18:02:34 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien,
18:02:37 [Zakim]: ... Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH
18:02:39 [Zakim]: On IRC I see jjc2, zhe, jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan,
18:02:42 [Zakim]: ... bijan, trackbot-ng
18:02:44 [bijan]: Evan, I'm not saying I would block this work...or indeed any work. But a standards group involves negotiation. I've not heard a lot of negotitation.
18:02:52 [Rinke]: bernardo?
18:02:59 [bernardo]: zakim ??p21 is bernardo
18:03:18 [ivan]: zakim, who is here?
18:03:18 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, jjc, bijan (muted), MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan, bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien,
18:03:21 [Zakim]: ... Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH
18:03:22 [Zakim]: On IRC I see jjc2, zhe, jjc, IanH, achille, bernardo, MarkusK, MikeSmith_, Ratnesh, bmotik, uli, Rinke, Elisa, conrad, pfps, ew, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, MartinD, Carsten, ivan,
18:03:25 [Zakim]: ... bijan, trackbot-ng
18:03:26 [Ratnesh]: P19 = Ratnesh
18:03:48 [Zakim]: -Conrad
18:03:51 [IanH]: unmute me
18:03:51 [ivan]: zakim, mute me
18:03:51 [Zakim]: Ivan should now be muted
18:03:57 [Zakim]: +Zhe_Wu
18:04:00 [achille]: ScribeNick: achille
18:04:13 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
18:04:13 [Zakim]: bijan was already muted, bijan
18:04:29 [jjc]: jjc has joined #owl
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18:05:10 [IanH]: My phone just went dead!
18:05:15 [alanr]: i don't hear anyone
18:05:21 [IanH]: Me neither
18:05:45 [IanH]: unmute me
18:06:00 [uli]: I could hear a child just now
18:06:11 [IanH]: unmute me
18:06:18 [IanH]: I am!
18:06:19 [jjc]: Zakim, unmute IanH
18:06:19 [Zakim]: IanH should no longer be muted
18:06:51 [DougL]: DougL has joined #owl
18:07:20 [achille]: PROPOSED: Accept the previous minutes
18:07:22 [Zakim]: +Doug
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18:07:52 [pfps]: +1 to accept minutes
18:07:56 [ivan]: +1
18:07:57 [achille]: +1
18:08:02 [Rinke]: +1
18:08:03 [Ratnesh]: +1
18:08:11 [achille]: RESOLVED: minutes accepted
18:08:51 [DougL]: Zakim, who is on the phone
18:08:51 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', DougL
18:08:57 [pfps]: NONONONON
18:09:01 [Rinke]: except for the images
18:09:03 [pfps]: zakim, unmute me
18:09:03 [Zakim]: pfps should no longer be muted
18:09:09 [achille]: ACTION Send email reminding people to make wiki account
18:09:20 [jjc]: jjc has joined #owl
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18:09:24 [achille]: POSTPONE
18:09:30 [pfps]: zakim, mute me
18:09:30 [Zakim]: pfps should now be muted
18:09:55 [achille]: ACTION Sandro: migration of documents
18:09:56 [pfps]: sandro sent out a message concerning where to put the images
18:10:02 [achille]: Postponed
18:10:12 [pfps]: there are *two* documents
18:10:13 [jjc]: alan said avout reminder email that the naming conventions were unclear, and Sandro is clarifying
18:10:26 [achille]: ACTION 6: Done
18:10:39 [pfps]: should the link to the duplicate page be removed?
18:10:45 [ivan]: Topic: Issues
18:11:30 [Rinke]: +1 to removing the (link to the) duplicate page
18:11:42 [achille]: Topic : Issue 2
18:11:54 [pfps]: both http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Issues and http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/HowIssuesAreProcessed tell how issues are processed
18:11:58 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
18:11:58 [Zakim]: bijan should no longer be muted
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18:12:04 [DougL]: Zakim, who is on the phone?
18:12:04 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Alan, jjc (muted), bijan, MartinD, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Rinke (muted), Carsten (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien
18:12:04 [pfps]: zakim, unmute me
18:12:07 [Zakim]: ... (muted), Fabian, MikeSmith, uli (muted), MarkusK (muted), ??P19, IanH, Zhe_Wu, Doug
18:12:09 [Zakim]: pfps should no longer be muted
18:12:26 [Rinke]: perhaps turn HowIssuesAreProcessed into a redirect to Issues
18:12:41 [ew]: +1 to Bijan's viewpoint on this
18:12:50 [pfps]: q+
18:12:52 [achille]: ian: does new properties affect backward compatibility
18:13:08 [Ratnesh]: P19 = Ratnesh
18:13:09 [achille]: s/does/ do
18:13:21 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
18:13:21 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
18:13:35 [ew]: Cardinality Q was also turned down
18:13:46 [bijan]: ooo, excellent point ew
18:14:02 [alanr]: q+
18:14:08 [alanr]: ack pfps
18:14:11 [jjc2]: Zakim, ?P19 is Ratnesh
18:14:11 [Zakim]: sorry, jjc2, I do not recognize a party named '?P19'
18:14:20 [jjc2]: Zakim, ??P19 is Ratnesh
18:14:20 [Zakim]: +Ratnesh; got it
18:14:21 [IanH]: q?
18:14:33 [bijan]: Does peter actually object? Can't we just disagree with the old group?
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18:15:11 [Carsten]: I disagree. There are usually *many* disjoint classes. Only ontology designers overlook that and
18:15:13 [Carsten]: usually fail to state it.
18:15:15 [IanH]: q?
18:15:20 [IanH]: ack
18:15:28 [IanH]: q?
18:15:32 [bijan]: I see peter's point...this is a owl full thing
18:15:52 [pfps]: many large disjointness sets (a disjointness set with thousands of elements)
18:15:58 [Zakim]: +[IVML]
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18:16:04 [pfps]: there can be lots of small disjointness sets
18:16:04 [IanH]: How do I ack someone else?
18:16:10 [achille]: alanr : the assumption that there will not be a lot of disjoint is not correct
18:16:19 [ivan]: ack alanr
18:16:21 [bijan]: +1 to alan
18:16:24 [Carsten]: peter: if you have thousands of classes, why not?
18:16:30 [pfps]: if your disjointness sets are small then you don't get many extra triples
18:16:31 [bijan]: we get this request all the time
18:16:37 [bijan]: NO NO NO NO
18:16:41 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
18:16:41 [Zakim]: bijan should no longer be muted
18:16:43 [IanH]: q?
18:17:07 [ew]: q+
18:17:12 [bmotik]: It is not just the disjointness. In the functional spec, you can have equivalences between n classes, but in RDF you can have only pair-wise equivalences. This is inherited from OWL 1.0 RDF mapping.
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18:17:29 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
18:17:29 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
18:17:30 [GiorgosStoilos]: zakim, [IVML] is me
18:17:31 [Zakim]: +GiorgosStoilos; got it
18:18:06 [IanH]: q?
18:18:17 [pfps]: but it is easy and direct to put a large equivalence set into RDF with no size increase
18:18:22 [alanr]: q?
18:18:27 [IanH]: ack ew
18:18:55 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
18:18:55 [Zakim]: bijan should no longer be muted
18:19:05 [bmotik]: The same thing also holds for properties (disjointness and equivalences). It is probably a good idea to come up with the same solution for all of these constructs, not just for disjointness.
18:19:16 [bijan]: +1 to bmotik
18:19:23 [jjc2]: disagree with bmotik
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18:19:33 [bmotik]: And there are also sameAs and differentFrom on individuals.
18:19:33 [DougL]: +p
18:19:34 [IanH]: q?
18:19:46 [DougL]: +q
18:19:55 [pfps]: Alan's case seems to be quite compelling
18:20:18 [IanH]: q?
18:20:33 [achille]: ianh: AllDisjoint does not necessary have a negative impact on implementations
18:20:40 [IanH]: ?q
18:20:44 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
18:20:44 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
18:21:17 [achille]: who is speaking?
18:21:35 [pfps]: zakim, mute me
18:21:35 [Zakim]: pfps should now be muted
18:21:42 [DougL]: that was me, achille
18:21:50 [bmotik]: OK, I'll just add this to the issue.
18:21:53 [alanr]: q?
18:21:59 [pfps]: i never had an objection, just a caution
18:21:59 [IanH]: ?q
18:22:00 [alanr]: ack DougL
18:22:09 [jjc]: q+ on back chat
18:22:09 [pfps]: zakim, unmute me
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18:22:20 [jjc]: q+ to mention back chat
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18:22:28 [pfps]: zakim, mute me
18:22:28 [Zakim]: pfps should now be muted
18:22:30 [alanr]: q?
18:22:41 [jjc2]: ack jjc
18:22:41 [Zakim]: jjc, you wanted to mention back chat
18:22:52 [alanr]: +1
18:22:59 [pfps]: ok by me
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18:23:02 [ew]: +1
18:23:05 [DougL]: sounds good to me
18:23:05 [achille]: ianh: should we make the change in the docs for AllDisjoint
18:23:06 [jjc2]: +1
18:23:08 [ivan]: not against
18:23:08 [achille]: +1
18:23:11 [Rinke]: +1
18:23:14 [zhe]: +1
18:23:14 [Carsten]: +1
18:23:15 [FabianNeuhaus]: +1
18:23:15 [uli]: +1
18:23:23 [MikeSmith_]: +1 for AllDisjoint
18:23:30 [bijan]: +1 for AllDisjoint
18:23:46 [achille]: RESOLVED: Issue 2 AllDisjoint will be added in the docs
18:24:10 [bijan]: ?
18:24:13 [pfps]: do it the same way that allDifferent is handled in OWL 1.0
18:24:16 [IanH]: q?
18:24:41 [alanr]: presume that the rdf mapping will be O(n)
18:24:44 [pfps]: it is in the FS already, right?
18:24:59 [bijan]: pfps, no! it seems!
18:25:00 [alanr]: q?
18:25:10 [bijan]: ah it is
18:25:14 [bijan]: disjointClasses
18:25:34 [bijan]: Here: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Class_or_Description_Axioms
18:25:35 [pfps]: how about: treat DisjointClasses like DifferentIndividuals?
18:25:36 [achille]: RESOLVED: AllDisjoint will be added to the functional syntax and the RDF mapping
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18:25:48 [bijan]: """The disjointClasses axiom takes a set of descriptions and states that all descriptions from the set are pair-wise disjoint."""
18:25:50 [bijan]: It is in
18:26:13 [alanr]: RESOLVED: Issue 2 A O(n) rdf mapping of disjointClasses will be added
18:26:36 [pfps]: votes?
18:27:02 [pfps]: we changed the resolution, so it is probably best to confirm the change
18:27:08 [alanr]: +1
18:27:16 [pfps]: +1
18:27:16 [bijan]: +1 for current resolution
18:27:17 [achille]: +1
18:27:22 [DougL]: +1
18:27:23 [Rinke]: +1
18:27:23 [MikeSmith_]: +1 for current resolution
18:27:24 [Ratnesh]: +1
18:27:25 [MartinD]: +1
18:27:25 [ivan]: zakim, draft minutes
18:27:25 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'draft minutes', ivan
18:27:25 [uli]: +1
18:27:25 [jjc]: +1
18:27:26 [bernardo]: +1
18:27:37 [ivan]: +1
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18:27:55 [bijan]: it taeks an arbitrary number
18:28:00 [bijan]: disjointClasses�:= 'DisjointClasses' '(' { annotation } description description { description } ')'
18:28:07 [bijan]: Brackets!
18:28:19 [achille]: Topic: Issue 3 (anonymous individuals)
18:28:48 [IanH]: q?
18:29:06 [bijan]: q+
18:29:12 [alanr]: Individual(type(owl:Thing)) legal in 1.0
18:29:40 [uli]: but this doesn't help us to refer to it?
18:29:47 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
18:29:47 [Zakim]: bijan should no longer be muted
18:29:49 [Carsten]: q+
18:29:51 [alanr]: "overzealous"
18:29:58 [pfps]: zakim, unmute me
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18:30:05 [jjc2]: Jeremy: was the lack of this a bug? or deliberate?
18:30:07 [achille]: jeremy: no anonymous individual in owl 1.1. Is it a bug?
18:30:25 [IanH]: Q?
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18:30:28 [bmotik]: Zakim, unmute me.
18:30:29 [achille]: pfps: is a bug
18:30:33 [Zakim]: bmotik should no longer be muted
18:30:34 [bmotik]: +q bmotik
18:30:37 [IanH]: Q?
18:30:45 [ivan]: ack bijan
18:30:53 [alanr]: tree-like
18:31:06 [IanH]: Q?
18:31:14 [IanH]: q?
18:31:43 [alanr]: also see http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/23
18:32:00 [pfps]: I would like to see a proposal
18:32:00 [Carsten]: zakim, unmute me
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18:32:03 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
18:32:03 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
18:32:03 [IanH]: q?
18:32:12 [IanH]: ack carsten
18:32:19 [pfps]: zakim, mute me
18:32:19 [Zakim]: pfps should now be muted
18:32:34 [bijan]: Ooo, interesting!
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18:33:10 [bernardo]: we don't have the universal role in Owl 1.1
18:33:14 [achille]: Carsten: related to having a universal property. should we consider adding universal property?
18:33:26 [bernardo]: but, it was included in SROIQ
18:33:48 [uli]: which is why we mention this here
18:33:54 [achille]: Carsten: it will allow anonymous individuals
18:34:18 [IanH]: q?
18:34:46 [Carsten]: zakim, mute me
18:34:46 [Zakim]: Carsten should now be muted
18:35:06 [Carsten]: zakim, unmute me
18:35:06 [Zakim]: Carsten should no longer be muted
18:35:12 [jjc2]: [I would like non-tree like stuff, as well as tree stuff, and this issue is only the first step but ...]
18:35:36 [Carsten]: zakim, mute me
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18:35:46 [achille]: Carsten: Universal property is more general. It will make anonymous individuals a special case
18:35:49 [IanH]: q?
18:35:58 [Carsten]: correct
18:35:59 [uli]: yes
18:36:38 [alanr]: in above we are talking about "tree-like" networks of anonymous individuals
18:36:43 [jjc]: q+ to propose resolution Issue 3 is a bug report. Action pfps to fix
18:36:58 [ivan]: ack bmotik
18:37:13 [IanH]: q?
18:37:29 [achille]: bmotik: arbitrary anonymous individuals could yield to undecideability
18:37:30 [bmotik]: Zakim, mute me
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18:37:45 [bijan]: How about close this with tree ones and opening a new issue
18:37:46 [uli]: but there aren't any anon. inds. in the owl1.1? Can you clarify, Boris?
18:38:00 [bmotik]: To be more precise: nontree like anonymous individuals (in an ABox) easily make ontology entailment undecidable
18:38:02 [alanr]: Ian and I had a discussion about this a while ago concerning when we could distinguish skolems from bnodes
18:38:05 [ivan]: ack jjc
18:38:05 [Zakim]: jjc, you wanted to propose resolution Issue 3 is a bug report. Action pfps to fix
18:38:07 [alanr]: I will look it up
18:38:11 [jjc]: jeremy bows to the chair
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18:38:19 [alanr]: negated property values 1 issue
18:38:25 [bijan]: Action to boris to start the discussion?
18:38:31 [bijan]: Or someone?
18:38:36 [achille]: ianh: we will not be able to resolve it now
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18:38:47 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
18:38:47 [Zakim]: bijan should no longer be muted
18:38:49 [achille]: ianh: we should continue on emails
18:38:51 [pfps]: make sure the emails include ISSUE-3 or ISSUE-23
18:39:07 [jjc2]: +1 to bijan
18:39:14 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
18:39:14 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
18:39:15 [Carsten]: I am not on the mailinglist
18:39:31 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
18:39:31 [Zakim]: bijan should no longer be muted
18:39:35 [Carsten]: But working on it :)
18:39:41 [jjc2]: (neither am I, but can partifcipate nevertheless
18:39:50 [bijan]: zkaim, mute me
18:40:05 [bijan]: YEs!
18:40:09 [bmotik]: Sire
18:40:10 [bijan]: +1 to boris starting it
18:40:11 [bmotik]: Sure
18:40:26 [achille]: ACTION Boris: send an email on issue 3
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18:40:56 [Rinke]: zakim, unmute me
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18:40:57 [achille]: Topic : Issue 11 and 28 (datatype facets)
18:41:09 [IanH]: q?
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18:41:49 [bijan]: Is this only for hte XML sytnax?
18:42:09 [bijan]: If so, shouldn'tw e defer until we've decided about the XML sytnax?
18:42:12 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
18:42:12 [Zakim]: bijan was not muted, bijan
18:42:20 [IanH]: q?
18:42:53 [ew]: Its part of the structural spec
18:43:00 [IanH]: q?
18:43:09 [bijan]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2007JanMar/0127.html
18:43:22 [Rinke]: zakim, mute me
18:43:22 [Zakim]: Rinke should now be muted
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18:43:54 [pfps]: zakim, unmute me
18:43:54 [Zakim]: pfps should no longer be muted
18:43:54 [alanr]: q?
18:43:55 [IanH]: q?
18:43:57 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
18:43:57 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
18:43:59 [bmotik]: The reason why we have no several facts is rather arbitrary: we just didn't think of it. I believe we can easily extend the language to be more practicable.
18:44:04 [bijan]: I don't undersatnd this issue ;)
18:44:31 [jjc2]: Why can't we use user names in this syntax ?
18:44:35 [achille]: pfps: I thought the issue was about the XML serialization
18:44:45 [bijan]: We could ask evren to come on
18:44:48 [bijan]: next week
18:44:49 [achille]: ianh: let's move on since we do not understand it
18:45:06 [bmotik]: The XML schema is now different from what is reporeted in the issue. It was likely a bug that I just fixed later.
18:45:17 [bmotik]: I was talking about issue 11
18:45:21 [bijan]: They both go back to evren's email
18:45:23 [IanH]: q?
18:45:27 [bijan]: Both 28 and 11
18:45:30 [Zakim]: -Alan
18:45:48 [achille]: ianh: Let's nominate someone to start an email discussion
18:45:53 [bmotik]: +q
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18:46:00 [IanH]: q?
18:46:02 [bmotik]: Zakim, unmute me
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18:46:03 [ivan]: ack bmotik
18:46:30 [achille]: bmotik: it is about having multiple facets.
18:46:38 [bijan]: That sounds promising!
18:46:56 [pfps]: suggest sending a message to Evrin to ask him if he thinks 11 is resolved
18:47:03 [jjc]: move to email
18:47:04 [achille]: bmotik: we should add them it was a bug in the XML Schema
18:47:11 [Zakim]: +Alan
18:47:20 [IanH]: q?
18:47:29 [ivan]: q+
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18:47:35 [achille]: bmotik: no problem either for issue 28
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18:47:42 [bijan]: close 11 and resolut 28 with action to liberalize the syntax
18:48:43 [achille]: ACTION Boris: send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28
18:49:35 [IanH]: q?
18:49:42 [ivan]: ack ivan
18:49:53 [achille]: Topic: Issue 13 and 14 (quotation and CURIES)
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18:50:31 [ivan]: see http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/28 notes
18:50:35 [bijan]: This relates to whether we can use the XML Schema syntax
18:50:37 [ivan]: zakim, mute me
18:50:37 [Zakim]: Ivan should now be muted
18:50:42 [bijan]: q+
18:51:00 [bmotik]: I can stay
18:51:08 [jjc]: (I would like to go on the hour)
18:51:09 [bijan]: q-
18:51:26 [achille]: ianh: let's talk about the second f2f
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18:51:32 [bijan]: q+ to talk about first f2f
18:51:33 [IanH]: q?
18:51:34 [pfps]: browser bombed
18:51:40 [pfps]: zakim, unmute me
18:51:40 [Zakim]: pfps was not muted, pfps
18:51:47 [achille]: Topic: second f2f
18:51:47 [IanH]: q?
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18:52:16 [IanH]: q?
18:52:21 [jjc2]: peter: thje second f2f seems a long way away but it's not - Jeremy wonders whether it's on the moon.
18:52:33 [achille]: pfps: collocate the 2nd f2f with OWLED
18:52:55 [bijan]: +1
18:52:59 [Carsten]: is OWLED collocated with any conference?
18:53:07 [bijan]: Carsten, no
18:53:09 [jjc2]: dates of OWLED again?
18:53:31 [IanH]: q?
18:53:41 [jjc2]: dates: 1-4 April 2 days
18:53:43 [achille]: pfps: Proposed date 1,2,3 of April 2008
18:53:49 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
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18:53:50 [pfps]: this is "interim" OWLED which will not be colocated
18:54:09 [bmotik]: Zakim, mute me
18:54:09 [Zakim]: bmotik should now be muted
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18:54:29 [achille]: ianh: online poll should be done
18:54:29 [achille]: ianh: online poll should be done
18:54:45 [achille]: pfps: any objections for the date?
18:54:51 [IanH]: q?
18:54:54 [jjc]: q+ to www2008
18:55:13 [bijan]: Who would host?
18:55:17 [ivan]: for info: april 21-25 are the dates for WWW2008
18:55:39 [uli]: possibly
18:55:40 [ivan]: i will be in china
18:55:41 [alanr]: +1
18:55:42 [bernardo]: possibly
18:55:42 [MarkusK]: possibly
18:55:43 [Carsten]: -1
18:55:45 [jjc]: possibly
18:55:46 [pfps]: maybe me, but not too likely
18:55:48 [bijan]: possibly
18:55:49 [FabianNeuhaus]: -1
18:55:49 [achille]: -1
18:55:49 [GiorgosStoilos]: possible
18:55:52 [Elisa]: -1
18:55:52 [ew]: -1
18:56:00 [Ratnesh]: maybe
18:56:02 [Rinke]: -1
18:56:03 [MikeSmith_]: -1 to www2008
18:56:04 [zhe]: -1
18:56:13 [ivan]: ack ivan
18:56:31 [bijan]: So, w3c would host?
18:56:39 [jjc]: ivan: w3c china could help host
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18:56:53 [bmotik]: Where is the XML Schema stored in the working drafts? I see the XML Ser. document, but it has no pointer to the actual schema.
18:57:20 [achille]: ivan: would be happy to help with hosting it in China
18:58:07 [achille]: ivan: if the group decides to do it in China, we can do it
18:58:30 [achille]: pfps: we also need time to do publicity
18:59:38 [achille]: ACTION pfps: send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED
18:59:38 [bijan]: bmotik, I don't think they are there...I suppose you could upload it ot the wiki and attach it to the page
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19:00:02 [achille]: sorry I send the action to pfps
19:00:06 [bmotik]: bijan, how do I do that? I don't know much about Wikis...
19:00:22 [achille]: ivan, how do I change it to Ianh?
19:00:33 [ivan]: good question:-)
19:00:49 [bijan]: hmm. Not obvious to me, boris
19:00:51 [achille]: ACTION ianh: send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED
19:01:03 [achille]: sorry pfps
19:01:12 [Rinke]: the wiki needs to accept uploads of that type: it usually only accepts jpg's etc
19:01:16 [bijan]: Oh! look in teh sidebar
19:01:20 [bijan]: There's an "upload file"
19:01:24 [achille]: thanks pfps
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19:01:29 [IanH]: q?
19:01:31 [Zakim]: -jjc
19:02:08 [ivan]: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F f2f meeting page
19:02:13 [pfps]: have Ian send out an email about this
19:02:37 [achille]: bijan: please add your name in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F f2f if you are coming to the first f2f
19:02:55 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
19:02:55 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
19:03:00 [IanH]: q?
19:03:09 [ivan]: ack bijan
19:03:09 [achille]: Topic: additional other business?
19:03:10 [bijan]: q-
19:03:11 [Zakim]: bijan, you wanted to talk about first f2f
19:03:13 [bijan]: yes
19:03:17 [bijan]: \I'm done
19:03:26 [ivan]: ack jjc
19:03:26 [Zakim]: jjc, you wanted to www2008
19:03:54 [pfps]: yes
19:03:59 [bijan]: close as manya s possible
19:04:06 [pfps]: let's knock off the editorial ones
19:04:07 [ivan]: for cca. 10-15 minutes
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19:04:34 [achille]: Topic: Issue 13 and 14
19:04:41 [bmotik]: I tried uploading the XML schema, but the system said that .xsd is not a supported extension
19:04:47 [Zakim]: -Fabien
19:04:59 [bijan]: Ok, send an email to sandro
19:05:12 [IanH]: q?
19:05:22 [pfps]: jeremy is probably the closest thing we have to an expert here
19:05:38 [bijan]: I propose to reuse the Turtle string quoting conventions
19:05:44 [pfps]: which are?
19:05:44 [bijan]: Common, comprehensive, easy to lift
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19:06:09 [MarkusK]: http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/#sec-strings
19:06:54 [bijan]: I feel pretty sure that the Turtle spec covers everything RDF can handle
19:07:00 [pfps]: these are roughly the same as RDF quoting
19:07:01 [bijan]: Wait! are we resolving on taht?
19:07:07 [pfps]: Yes, wait.
19:07:09 [ivan]: q+
19:07:15 [IanH]: q?
19:07:32 [bijan]: Yes, alanr, curies can represent properites that rdf/xml cannot
19:07:37 [ivan]: ack ivan
19:07:47 [alanr]: so can abstract syntax
19:08:02 [bijan]: So can turtle
19:08:37 [pfps]: pointer to rdfa?
19:08:45 [Zakim]: -IanH
19:08:50 [bijan]: q+
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19:08:58 [Rinke]: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/
19:09:10 [bijan]: ack bijan
19:09:11 [IanH]: Sorry, but I have to run off
19:09:20 [bijan]: zakim, unmute me
19:09:20 [Zakim]: bijan was not muted, bijan
19:10:12 [bijan]: zakim, mute me
19:10:19 [Zakim]: bijan should now be muted
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19:10:58 [Rinke]: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/
19:11:43 [bijan]: We'd need that for more arbitrary patterns of bnodes
19:11:51 [bijan]: But that's delegated to email discussion
19:13:04 [alanr]: PROPOSED: Resolved issue 13 by adopting quotation from turtle (\). Resolve 14 by adopting SPARQL syntax for extended qnames.
19:13:09 [MarkusK]: +1
19:13:10 [alanr]: +1
19:13:11 [bijan]: +1
19:13:12 [ivan]: +1
19:13:15 [Elisa]: +1
19:13:16 [Rinke]: +1
19:13:16 [MikeSmith_]: +1 resolution for issue 13
19:13:17 [uli]: +1
19:13:26 [MikeSmith_]: +1 to resolution for issue 14
19:13:29 [GiorgosStoilos]: +1
19:13:31 [pfps]: +1 on the straw poll, but I would like to take a look to finalize
19:13:37 [Ratnesh]: +1
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19:13:53 [MartinD]: +1
19:13:59 [pfps]: I guess that we can invoke the one week rule if necessary
19:14:03 [alanr]: RESOLVED: Resolved issue 13 by adopting quotation from turtle (\). Resolve 14 by adopting SPARQL syntax for extended qnames. (with checkin one written into the spec)
19:14:48 [Zakim]: -Evan_Wallace
19:14:49 [bmotik]: bye
19:14:50 [Zakim]: -Doug
19:14:51 [Rinke]: bye
19:14:51 [Zakim]: -MikeSmith_
19:14:52 [uli]: bye
19:14:52 [Zakim]: -Zhe_Wu
19:14:53 [Zakim]: -Alan
19:14:54 [Zakim]: -Elisa_Kendall
19:14:54 [Zakim]: -Ratnesh
19:14:54 [uli]: uli has left #owl
19:14:55 [ivan]: rrsagent, draft minutes
19:14:55 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-minutes.html ivan
19:14:56 [Zakim]: -bijan
19:14:56 [Ratnesh]: bye
19:14:57 [Zakim]: -bmotik
19:14:57 [MarkusK]: bye
19:14:58 [Zakim]: -pfps
19:14:59 [Zakim]: -Rinke
19:15:01 [Zakim]: -Fabian
19:15:02 [MikeSmith_]: bye
19:15:03 [Zakim]: -MarkusK
19:15:05 [Zakim]: -Ivan
19:15:05 [achille]: ivan, do I need to do something special as the scribe
19:15:07 [Zakim]: -Carsten
19:15:11 [Zakim]: -MartinD
19:15:17 [GiorgosStoilos]: zakim, drop GiorgosStoilos
19:15:17 [Zakim]: GiorgosStoilos is being disconnected
19:15:18 [Zakim]: -GiorgosStoilos
19:15:19 [Zakim]: -Achille
19:15:27 [bernardo]: Zakim, disconnect me
19:15:27 [Zakim]: sorry, bernardo, I do not see a party named 'bernardo'
19:15:42 [MartinD]: MartinD has left #OWL
19:15:46 [bijan]: bernardo, just hang up :)
19:16:21 [ivan]: rrsagent, bye
19:16:30 [ivan]: rrsagent, set log public
19:16:35 [ivan]: rrsagent, bye
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-actions.rdf :
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Sandro to migration of documents [1]
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-09-55
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: 6 to Done [2]
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-10-26
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Boris to send an email on issue 3 [3]
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-40-26
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Boris to send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28 [4]
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-48-43
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [5]
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T18-59-38
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: ianh to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [6]
19:16:35 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-owl-irc#T19-00-51