19:51:54 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 19:51:54 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-wai-wcag-irc 19:51:58 rrsagent, make log world 19:52:05 meeting: WAI WCAG 19:52:09 chair: Gregg 19:52:37 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007OctDec/0041.html 19:53:25 regrets: Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_Ellero 19:53:40 agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates 19:54:05 agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071101misc/results 19:54:15 agenda+ Status of issue review 19:55:41 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 19:58:18 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 19:59:00 WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started 19:59:07 +Drew 19:59:52 +Sean_Hayes 20:00:51 +Alex_Li 20:01:15 +Bruce_Bailey 20:01:23 +??P6 20:01:35 +David_MacDonald 20:01:42 +Sofia_Celic 20:02:06 Drew has joined #wai-wcag 20:02:44 + +1.443.703.aaaa 20:03:24 +Andrew 20:03:28 David_MacDonald has joined #wai-wcag 20:04:06 +Loretta_Guarino_Reid 20:04:09 Andi has joined #wai-wcag 20:04:32 +[IBM] 20:04:47 Zakim, who is on the phone? 20:04:47 On the phone I see Drew, Sean_Hayes, Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey, ??P6, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, +1.443.703.aaaa, Andrew, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, [IBM] 20:05:02 awk has joined #wai-wcag 20:05:14 I'm pretty sure I 20:05:21 I'm supposed to scribe 20:05:57 zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver 20:05:57 +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it 20:05:58 scribe:awk 20:06:31 scribe: awk 20:08:40 GreggVan has joined #wai-wcag 20:09:54 +[Microsoft] 20:10:12 +[MIT342] 20:12:30 zakim, take up item 1 20:12:30 agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC] 20:14:40 Ben has joined #wai-wcag 20:15:17 +Ben 20:20:30 http://tinyurl.com/364xdf 20:21:11 zakim, next item 20:21:13 agendum 2. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071101misc/results" taken up [from MichaelC] 20:37:48 zakim, mute Tim_Boland 20:37:48 Tim_Boland should now be muted 20:40:30 q+ 20:42:33 -Bruce_Bailey 20:43:00 zakim, who's on the queue? 20:43:00 I see awk on the speaker queue 20:43:06 q+ to suggest "line height" or "leading" 20:43:42 ack awk 20:44:48 +Bruce_Bailey 20:47:45 ack m 20:47:45 MichaelC, you wanted to suggest "line height" or "leading" 20:48:53 ack me 20:49:21 ack a 20:57:27 Proposed edits 20:57:27 * foreground and background colors are selected by user 20:57:27 * width is no more than 80 characters 20:57:27 * text is not aligned on both the left and the right [LC-1253] [LC-569 (add)] 20:57:27 * line spacing is at least space-and-a-half within paragraphs, and paragraph spacing is larger than line spacing [LC- 569] 20:57:29 * text is resized without assistive technology up to 200 percent in a way that does not require the user to scroll horizontally 20:58:20 text is resized without assistive technology up to 200 percent in a way that does not require the user to scroll horizontally to read a line of text 20:58:34 bengt has joined #wai-wcag 21:01:08 +??P7 21:01:29 zakim, ??P7 is Bengt_Farre 21:01:29 +Bengt_Farre; got it 21:03:57 http://juicystudio.com/article/cognitive-impairment.php 21:04:46 no 21:08:54 POSTPONE to end of meeting 21:10:33 zakim, mute me 21:10:33 David_MacDonald should now be muted 21:14:41 Topic: Issue 1957: Metadata and WCAG 2.0 21:22:20 ACTION ITEM: Editors to look for new way to insert metadata reference into intro 21:23:24 RESOLVED: Accept metadata proposal as revised 21:23:54 zakim, unmute me 21:23:54 David_MacDonald should no longer be muted 21:24:56 RESOLUTION: Accept metadata proposal as revised. 21:27:18 zakim, mute me 21:27:18 David_MacDonald should now be muted 21:27:42 Topic: definition of Flash 21:27:57 RESOLUTION: Accept proposal as revised 21:28:10 Topic: Failure of 1.4.1 due to identifying required or error fields using color differences only 21:28:23 zakim,unmute me 21:28:23 David_MacDonald should no longer be muted 21:30:06 RESOLUTION: Accept proposal as amended 21:30:16 Topic: Issues 2118, 2228: Proposal for Focus-related Success Criteria 21:30:28 q+ 21:30:48 ack a 21:31:05 Topic: Proposed SC 2.4.n (Focus Order and Visual Layout) 21:34:58 -Tim_Boland 21:35:27 Sofia, should we consider skipping to the last item while you are still here? 21:35:49 if you want me here... :-) 21:35:57 I have to go 21:36:52 SKipping ahead. Again. 21:42:08 ack c 21:42:19 ack c 21:49:28 -Sofia_Celic 21:49:39 zakim, unmute me 21:49:39 David_MacDonald was not muted, David_MacDonald 21:52:05 ack c 21:54:18 ack b 21:54:21 q+ 21:54:26 q+ 21:55:56 ack b 21:56:23 -Cynthia_Shelly 21:57:01 ack l 21:57:04 +[Microsoft] 21:57:06 q+ 21:58:15 ack g 21:58:30 -[Microsoft] 21:59:37 q+ 22:00:56 ack b 22:02:21 ack d 22:03:17 ack s 22:03:53 q+ 22:04:50 ack l 22:08:39 When an appropriate markup language exists, use markup rather than images to convey information. 22:09:05 q+ 22:09:15 ack l 22:09:15 q+ 22:09:28 q+ 22:09:50 acj b 22:09:55 ack bb 22:09:57 ack b 22:10:25 ack a 22:10:59 +[Microsoft] 22:11:46 When an appropriate accessibility technology exists to render text, use text rather than images of text to convey information. 22:12:40 When an appropriate accessibility supported technology exists to render text, use text rather than images of text to convey information. 22:15:47 When an appropriate accessibility supported technology exists, use text rather than images of text. 22:15:49 q+ 22:16:12 When an appropriate accessibility supported technology exists, use text rather than images of text 22:16:22 ack a 22:20:27 Use text that scales in size rather than images of text except where it is not possible 22:20:44 -David_MacDonald 22:21:45 When an accessibility supported technology exists, use text rather than images of text 22:21:51 ack [microsoft 22:21:58 -Andrew 22:22:06 scribe:Loretta 22:23:04 When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the desired affect, use text rather than images of text 22:23:17 + +1.613.806.aabb 22:23:51 When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the desired visual affect, use text rather than images of text 22:25:32 ack b 22:30:14 When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the desired visual affect, use text rather than images of text 22:31:00 When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual affect, use text rather than images of text 22:31:25 -Drew 22:32:13 When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the desired visual presentaion, use text rather than images of text 22:32:38 When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation, use text rather than images of text 22:32:45 -Bengt_Farre 22:36:10 When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation, use text rather than images of text to convey information 22:37:05 Resolution: New Level AA SC: When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation, use text rather than images of text to convey information 22:37:28 Resolution: Accept 1.4.8 at Level AAA 22:39:22 Resolution: use bullets 9editors to resolve Christophe and Sean's suggestions) 22:41:12 Topic: Issue 2109: Text Readability (Success Criterion and Understanding Document) - discussion resumed 22:41:45 Resolution: Proposal accepted as amended 22:42:46 Topic: Proposed SC 2.4.n (Focus Order and Visual Layout) 22:44:16 q+ 22:44:41 ack b 22:50:06 q+ to ask, "Does http://w3.org/WAI fail the proposed SC?" 22:53:54 q+ 22:54:00 ack b 22:54:00 Ben, you wanted to ask, "Does http://w3.org/WAI fail the proposed SC?" 22:54:20 ack l 22:57:29 -David_MacDonald 22:58:33 -Bruce_Bailey 23:07:13 Action Item: Loretta to right technique for right-aligning items without reversing tab order 23:07:49 action 2 = Loretta to write technique for right-aligning items without reversing tab order 23:08:28 q+ 23:12:06 -Sean_Hayes 23:14:08 q- 23:26:13 -Alex_Li 23:38:31 Resolution: survey group with proposal: 1) change SC 1.3.2 as proposed, 2) keep current wording of SC 2.4.3, 3) add new AAA SC 2.4.n noted in wiki (needs editorial cleanup) 23:41:22 -[Microsoft] 23:41:23 -Ben 23:41:23 -Michael_Cooper 23:41:25 -Andi_Snow-Weaver 23:41:30 -Loretta_Guarino_Reid 23:41:31 WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended 23:41:32 Attendees were Drew, Sean_Hayes, Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, +1.443.703.aaaa, Andrew, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Michael_Cooper, 23:41:34 ... Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben, Bengt_Farre, [Microsoft], +1.613.806.aabb 23:41:35 zakim, bye 23:41:35 Zakim has left #wai-wcag 23:41:38 rrsagent, bye 23:41:38 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-wai-wcag-actions.rdf : 23:41:38 ACTION: ITEM to Editors to look for new way to insert metadata reference into intro [1] 23:41:38 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-wai-wcag-irc#T21-22-20 23:41:38 ACTION: Loretta to write technique for right-aligning items without reversing tab order [2] 23:41:38 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-wai-wcag-irc#T23-07-13