IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-11-01
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-wai-wcag-irc
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- rrsagent, make log world
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- meeting: WAI WCAG
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- chair: Gregg
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007OctDec/0041.html
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- regrets: Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Scano, Roberto_Ellero
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071101misc/results
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- agenda+ Status of issue review
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- +Drew
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- +Sean_Hayes
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- +Alex_Li
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- +??P6
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- + +1.443.703.aaaa
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- +Andrew
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +[IBM]
- 20:04:47 [Drew]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Drew, Sean_Hayes, Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey, ??P6, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, +1.443.703.aaaa, Andrew, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, [IBM]
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- I'm pretty sure I
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- I'm supposed to scribe
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- zakim, [IBM] is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
- 20:05:58 [Loretta]
- scribe:awk
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- scribe: awk
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +[MIT342]
- 20:12:30 [MichaelC]
- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 20:14:40 [Ben]
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- +Ben
- 20:20:30 [awk]
- http://tinyurl.com/364xdf
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071101misc/results" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 20:37:48 [David_MacDonald]
- zakim, mute Tim_Boland
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- Tim_Boland should now be muted
- 20:40:30 [awk]
- q+
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 20:43:00 [awk]
- zakim, who's on the queue?
- 20:43:00 [Zakim]
- I see awk on the speaker queue
- 20:43:06 [MichaelC]
- q+ to suggest "line height" or "leading"
- 20:43:42 [GreggVan]
- ack awk
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- ack m
- 20:47:45 [Zakim]
- MichaelC, you wanted to suggest "line height" or "leading"
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- ack me
- 20:49:21 [GreggVan]
- ack a
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- Proposed edits
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- * foreground and background colors are selected by user
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- * width is no more than 80 characters
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- * text is not aligned on both the left and the right [LC-1253] [LC-569 (add)]
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- * line spacing is at least space-and-a-half within paragraphs, and paragraph spacing is larger than line spacing [LC- 569]
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- * text is resized without assistive technology up to 200 percent in a way that does not require the user to scroll horizontally
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- text is resized without assistive technology up to 200 percent in a way that does not require the user to scroll horizontally to read a line of text
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- +??P7
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- zakim, ??P7 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
- 21:03:57 [David_MacDonald]
- http://juicystudio.com/article/cognitive-impairment.php
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- no
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- POSTPONE to end of meeting
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- zakim, mute me
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
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- Topic: Issue 1957: Metadata and WCAG 2.0
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- ACTION ITEM: Editors to look for new way to insert metadata reference into intro
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- RESOLVED: Accept metadata proposal as revised
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- zakim, unmute me
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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- RESOLUTION: Accept metadata proposal as revised.
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- zakim, mute me
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
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- Topic: definition of Flash
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- RESOLUTION: Accept proposal as revised
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- Topic: Failure of 1.4.1 due to identifying required or error fields using color differences only
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- zakim,unmute me
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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- RESOLUTION: Accept proposal as amended
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- Topic: Issues 2118, 2228: Proposal for Focus-related Success Criteria
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- q+
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- ack a
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- Topic: Proposed SC 2.4.n (Focus Order and Visual Layout)
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- -Tim_Boland
- 21:35:27 [Loretta]
- Sofia, should we consider skipping to the last item while you are still here?
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- if you want me here... :-)
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- I have to go
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- SKipping ahead. Again.
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- Topic: SC 1.4.8: updated SC wording and CSS Techniques for styling text
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- ack c
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- ack c
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- zakim, unmute me
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- David_MacDonald was not muted, David_MacDonald
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- ack c
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- ack b
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack b
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- ack l
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- +[Microsoft]
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- q+
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- ack g
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- -[Microsoft]
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- q+
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- ack b
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- ack d
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- ack s
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- q+
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- ack l
- 22:08:39 [Loretta]
- When an appropriate markup language exists, use markup rather than images to convey information.
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- q+
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- ack l
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- q+
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- q+
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- acj b
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- ack bb
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- ack b
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- ack a
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- +[Microsoft]
- 22:11:46 [Loretta]
- When an appropriate accessibility technology exists to render text, use text rather than images of text to convey information.
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- When an appropriate accessibility supported technology exists to render text, use text rather than images of text to convey information.
- 22:15:47 [Loretta]
- When an appropriate accessibility supported technology exists, use text rather than images of text.
- 22:15:49 [awk]
- q+
- 22:16:12 [GreggVan]
- When an appropriate accessibility supported technology exists, use text rather than images of text
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- ack a
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- Use text that scales in size rather than images of text except where it is not possible
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- -David_MacDonald
- 22:21:45 [GreggVan]
- When an accessibility supported technology exists, use text rather than images of text
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- ack [microsoft
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- -Andrew
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- scribe:Loretta
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- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the desired affect, use text rather than images of text
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- + +1.613.806.aabb
- 22:23:51 [GreggVan]
- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the desired visual affect, use text rather than images of text
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- ack b
- 22:30:14 [GreggVan]
- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the desired visual affect, use text rather than images of text
- 22:31:00 [GreggVan]
- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual affect, use text rather than images of text
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- -Drew
- 22:32:13 [GreggVan]
- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the desired visual presentaion, use text rather than images of text
- 22:32:38 [GreggVan]
- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation, use text rather than images of text
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- -Bengt_Farre
- 22:36:10 [GreggVan]
- When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation, use text rather than images of text to convey information
- 22:37:05 [Loretta]
- Resolution: New Level AA SC: When an accessibility supported technology exists to achieve the visual presentation, use text rather than images of text to convey information
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- Resolution: Accept 1.4.8 at Level AAA
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- Resolution: use bullets 9editors to resolve Christophe and Sean's suggestions)
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- Topic: Issue 2109: Text Readability (Success Criterion and Understanding Document) - discussion resumed
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- Resolution: Proposal accepted as amended
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- Topic: Proposed SC 2.4.n (Focus Order and Visual Layout)
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- q+
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- ack b
- 22:50:06 [Ben]
- q+ to ask, "Does http://w3.org/WAI fail the proposed SC?"
- 22:53:54 [Loretta]
- q+
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- ack b
- 22:54:00 [Zakim]
- Ben, you wanted to ask, "Does http://w3.org/WAI fail the proposed SC?"
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- ack l
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 23:07:13 [Loretta]
- Action Item: Loretta to right technique for right-aligning items without reversing tab order
- 23:07:49 [MichaelC]
- action 2 = Loretta to write technique for right-aligning items without reversing tab order
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- q+
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- -Sean_Hayes
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- q-
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- -Alex_Li
- 23:38:31 [Loretta]
- Resolution: survey group with proposal: 1) change SC 1.3.2 as proposed, 2) keep current wording of SC 2.4.3, 3) add new AAA SC 2.4.n noted in wiki (needs editorial cleanup)
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Ben
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Drew, Sean_Hayes, Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, +1.443.703.aaaa, Andrew, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Michael_Cooper,
- 23:41:34 [Zakim]
- ... Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben, Bengt_Farre, [Microsoft], +1.613.806.aabb
- 23:41:35 [MichaelC]
- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, bye
- 23:41:38 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: ITEM to Editors to look for new way to insert metadata reference into intro [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-wai-wcag-irc#T21-22-20
- 23:41:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Loretta to write technique for right-aligning items without reversing tab order [2]
- 23:41:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-wai-wcag-irc#T23-07-13