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15:04:54 <eneumann> zakim, who's here?
15:04:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see tnbhat, Susie_Stephens, Jonathan_Rees, Alan, Eric_Neumann
15:04:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susie, RRSAgent, Zakim, eneumann, jar, ericP
15:04:57 <Zakim> +??P12
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15:06:20 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
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15:07:00 <eneumann> zakim, P12 is matthiassamwald
15:07:00 <Zakim> sorry, eneumann, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
15:07:14 <eneumann> zakim, ??P12 is matthiassamwald
15:07:14 <Zakim> +matthiassamwald; got it
15:07:33 <eneumann> zakim, ??P24 is scottmarshall
15:07:33 <Zakim> +scottmarshall; got it
15:08:10 <Zakim> +EricP
15:08:12 <jar> eric n is echoing when he speaks.  someone is feeding his voice back
15:08:47 <alanr> zakim, who is on the call?
15:08:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see tnbhat, Susie_Stephens, Jonathan_Rees, Alan, Eric_Neumann, matthiassamwald, Vipul_Kashyap, scottmarshall, EricP
15:11:44 <eneumann> zakim, pick a victim
15:11:44 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Eric_Neumann
15:11:47 <jar> http://sw.neurocommons.org/2007/uri-note/35/
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15:12:02 <jar> http://sw.neurocommons.org/2007/uri-note/   will be the current version as the thing evolves
15:12:04 <ericP> next call: 15 november, scribe: Eric_Neumann
15:12:14 <ericP> next call: 15 november, chari: Tonya, scribe: Eric_Neumann
15:12:46 <ericP> scribe: ericP
15:13:25 <ericP> Topic: URI Note
15:13:34 <ericP> -> http://sw.neurocommons.org/2007/uri-note/ URI Note
15:13:48 <ericP> jar: goal: get HCLS to bless a URI note
15:14:00 <ericP> ... shoorting for end of Dec when charter expires
15:14:07 <ericP> ... missing probably not a disaster
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15:14:27 <ericP> ... need this group to decide to put up a draft
15:14:53 <ericP> ... will continue to work in situ
15:15:21 <ericP> ... needs a week to meet publishing practice
15:15:29 <ericP> ... needs TOC and refs
15:15:40 <alanr> :)
15:15:51 <ericP> ... also have list of 50-60 little things to do before pub
15:16:12 <ericP> ... e.g. align with other document terminology
15:17:06 <ericP> ACTION: jar to announce URI Note to hcls list on Monday
15:17:20 <ericP> jar: would like folks to look at the doc before Fri
15:17:43 <ericP> ... will do a presentation at f2f
15:19:10 <ericP> ... would like WG to decide (at f2f) to publish subject to finite modification list
15:19:30 <ericP> eneumann: would like folks to think about this being an HCLS document
15:20:03 <ericP> jar: i would expect 2-3 round of review between 9Nov and 31Dec
15:21:02 <ericP> eneumann: shall we contact the comm team and do a press release?
15:21:32 <ericP> Susie: could write a blog on the homepage (picked up by PlanetRDF so it gets some visibility)
15:22:18 <ericP> eneumann: do you think IUPAC would consider this note for identifiers in the chem domain?
15:23:13 <ericP> tnbhat: i am working woth Royal Society of (for?) Chemistry
15:23:35 <ericP> ... [X] seems to like our way of doing this [assigning identifiers]
15:24:05 <ericP> ... need a rule based approach to be appropriately scalabale
15:24:11 <ericP> ... in that way, INCHI helps
15:24:23 <jar> q+
15:24:29 <ericP> eneumann: we want to circle back with these orgs at the appropriate time
15:25:23 <eneumann> zakim, ack jar
15:25:23 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:25:25 <ericP> tnbaht: will contact [Y] when i have more work done on the protien database
15:25:43 <vipul> q+ re: anyone from NIST coming to F2F?
15:25:51 <ericP> jar: the URI note talks about good practice -- very meta
15:26:50 <ericP> current plan: jar will edit URI Note in situ and we will copy out only when we publish
15:27:04 <jar> doc is highly labile. don't read it this weekend
15:27:06 <Zakim> +Tanya_Hongsermeier
15:27:08 <jar> read it on monday
15:27:24 <ericP> eneumann: y'all, please read the note
15:27:35 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/November20007F2FAgenda.html
15:27:36 <ericP> Topic: f2f invitations
15:27:55 <jar> yes, do read it, but wait until monday so that everyone's reviewing the same version.  i will be pushing out 1-2 new versions daily until monday
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15:27:59 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/November20007F2FAgenda.html tentative COI agenda
15:28:05 <Susie> q+
15:28:25 <Susie> Agenda for F2F is also at http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/F2F/2007/11/Agenda
15:29:08 <ericP> vipul: moving towards a motivating proof of concept
15:29:36 <ericP> ... based on reg info, i've characterized the list of participants
15:29:53 <ericP> ... goal is to get buy-in from them and move on to the next step
15:30:11 <ericP> ... all participants are equal, but some are more equal than others
15:30:51 <ericP> ... would saying so violate W3C rules?
15:31:05 <ericP> ericP: no, but it helps to justify your choices
15:31:32 <ericP> alanr: moderator can encourage health care providers to give input
15:32:06 <ericP> vipul: a fellow from seimmans (SP?)
15:32:56 <ericP> ... energy from Cisco. any contacts at W3C?
15:33:11 <ericP> ericP: only know of video players at Cisco
15:33:35 <ericP> [Susie expressed knowledge of Cisco hc activity]
15:34:02 <ericP> ACTION: eneumann to contact Robert Vanmanen from Face Forward
15:34:18 <ericP> vipul: also heard from marcus collins
15:34:31 <Susie> It's Robert Van Manen from Phase Forward
15:34:33 <ericP> ... [Z] from CDISK will miss Thu
15:35:00 <ericP> alanr: Mike Bevil (Merck) may get someone to come
15:35:03 <jar> ericp, fwiw, i think i'm supposed to tell vipul how to recategorize science commons for his coi wiki page - i think this is an action item
15:35:16 <ericP> vipul: start with introduction (ericN and Tonya)
15:35:40 <ericP> ... use case (30 mins): where semweb can help with patient recruitment
15:35:52 <ericP> ... use case will be presented by Rachel
15:36:04 <ericP> ... followed by detailed clinical model
15:36:21 <ericP> ... chimezie will present his semantic @@ system
15:36:29 <ericP> ... @@
15:36:37 <ericP> ... round table brainstorming session
15:36:47 <ericP> ... hit on 3:
15:37:01 <ericP> ... .. resources commitments
15:37:23 <ericP> ... .. getting de-identified patient data
15:37:54 <alanr> q+
15:38:16 <ericP> ACTION: Vipul to contact Steven Dobsen of Pfizer
15:38:30 <mscottm> Isn't Pfizer in Boston?
15:38:35 <alanr> some
15:39:22 <ericP> vipul: .. deveoper resources (like science commons did for the Banff demo)
15:39:38 <ericP> ack Susie 
15:39:44 <eneumann> ?q
15:39:47 <eneumann> q?
15:39:50 <ericP> Susie: agenda looks wonderful. could you link it in?
15:40:20 <ericP> ACTION: vipul to link main f2f agenda page to COI agenda page
15:40:37 <ericP> alanr: let's spread out during breaks and collect ideas
15:41:17 <ericP> ACTION: vipul to send notes and/or phone desired contacts
15:41:57 <alanr> ack alanr
15:42:03 <ericP> vipul: will be putting up slides on agenda wiki
15:42:23 <ericP> ... please comment as to wether they address benifits to stakeholders
15:42:53 <ericP> eneumann: did you consider the JANIS (SP?) project?
15:43:29 <alanr> http://www.cfpc.ca/English/cfpc/research/janus%20project/general%20information/default.asp?s=1
15:43:30 <eneumann> JANUS
15:44:20 <ericP> -> http://crix.nci.nih.gov/projects/janus/ JANUS
15:44:44 <ericP> -> http://crix.nci.nih.gov/projects/janus/ CRIX JANUS page
15:44:45 <Susie> Jeff Rideout if the guy I came across at Cisco (http://tools.cisco.com/dlls/tln/page/media/perspectives/detail/ep/2005/jeff-rideout-01)
15:45:22 <ericP> ACTION: eneumann to ask Mark Eermette to show up
15:45:41 <eneumann> s/Eermette/Vermette
15:45:49 <ericP> alanr: make sure you Cc: amy@w3.org so she can register anyone you invite
15:46:35 <eneumann> http://crix.nci.nih.gov/projects/janus
15:46:36 <alanr> must have opportunity to imbibe :)
15:47:06 <ericP> vipul: need a local for brainstorming session
15:47:24 <ericP> ericP: bar, resto, Stata Center (1.1 miles)
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15:47:47 <eneumann> also, https://cabig.nci.nih.gov/workspaces/CTMS/Meetings/Face_to_Face/2007_May_F2F/SIG_Breakout_Reporting_and_Sharing.ppt
15:48:00 <ericP> we may be meeting the TAG at this time
15:48:48 <ericP> vipul: feel free to change the wiki. (try not to delete stuff)
15:49:30 <alanr> particularly if they want to pick up the tab :)
15:50:46 <alanr> Do we want to ask John Barkley?
15:50:58 <alanr> Wasn't he at NIST?
15:51:02 <ericP> ACITON: ericP to check with Amy to see if it's useful for W3C to request a restaurant res for 10 people
15:51:03 <alanr> q?
15:51:20 <alanr> I worry 10 will be too few unless invitations are managed
15:51:44 <vipul> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/144460/
15:52:15 <ericP> Susie: Jeff Rideout manages internet solution business groups
15:52:34 <alanr> 7 people are on vipul's list already, and that only includes a couple of invitees
15:52:38 <ericP> ... Kevin Dean is the interim health care guy
15:52:53 <jar> status of TAG scheduling situation: Stuart put a query out on Oct 29 asking generally who could/couldn't make it on Mon or Tue. Answers from Raman and me. No further traffic so far. So not known whether it's to be thursday, mon, or tues.
15:53:08 <ericP> Topic: HCLS demo
15:53:19 <ericP> alanr: weekend project is to prepare that presentation
15:54:12 <ericP> Topic: f2f Goals
15:54:39 <ericP> vipul: i want to buy in and push the use case all the way to PoC
15:54:56 <ericP> alanr: might be difficult in a half day
15:55:12 <ericP> ... getting folks interested in talking next week might be good enough
15:55:20 <ericP> ... pushing may result in nodding agreement
15:56:08 <ericP> eneumann: anyone want to get together early on thu? or shall we wait 'till after lunch...
15:56:29 <ericP> alanr: AC meeting is that AM. eneumann, alanr, ericP, Susie likely to be at AC
15:56:30 <jar> busy until noon, available for lunch
15:56:40 <ericP> ... could meet for b'fast
15:57:07 <alanr> jar @ AC too, for SC
15:57:19 <ericP> s/Susie likely/Susie, Vipul likely/
15:57:26 <ericP> ADJOURNED
15:57:30 <alanr> bye
15:57:33 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:57:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/01-hcls-minutes.html ericP
15:57:34 <Zakim> -tnbhat
15:57:35 <mscottm> thanks bye
15:57:35 <Zakim> -Susie_Stephens
15:57:36 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
15:57:38 <Zakim> -Tanya_Hongsermeier
15:57:38 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Rees
15:57:40 <Zakim> -Alan
15:57:44 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make record world-visible
15:57:45 <Zakim> -scottmarshall
15:57:46 <Zakim> -Eric_Neumann
15:57:47 <Zakim> -EricP
15:58:05 <eneumann> ericP, do you want to edit the minutes?
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16:05:06 <Zakim> Attendees were tnbhat, Susie_Stephens, Jonathan_Rees, Alan, Eric_Neumann, Vipul_Kashyap, matthiassamwald, scottmarshall, EricP, Tanya_Hongsermeier
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