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13:28:03 <shadi> zakim, this will be tsd
13:28:03 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:28:10 <shadi> meeting: TSD TF
13:28:21 <shadi> chair: CarlosV, Christophe
13:28:53 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0006.html
13:29:07 <shadi> agenda+ Test cases without a technique/failure mapping
13:29:18 <shadi> agenda+ Reviewing test samples for current working draft
13:29:30 <shadi> agenda+ Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?
13:29:39 <shadi> agenda+ User friendly metadata view
13:29:59 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM has now started
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13:30:00 <Zakim> +Shadi
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13:32:20 <Zakim> +Dimitar_Denev
13:32:50 <shadi> zakim, dimitar is really CarlosV
13:32:51 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
13:33:53 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
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13:35:11 <CarlosV> http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item228
13:35:37 <Zakim> +Drew
13:40:03 <shadi> regrets: Vangelis
13:40:49 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
13:41:04 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:41:04 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Test cases without a technique/failure mapping" taken up [from shadi]
13:41:07 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:41:37 <shadi> agenda?
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13:43:43 <shadi> CS: Drew sent comments on the mapping, doesn't have CVS yet
13:44:17 <shadi> SAZ: working on CVS account for Drew, will send directions to generate SSH key
13:44:43 <shadi> AJL: do all the tests map to the same techniques?
13:47:16 <shadi> CS: we don't map to the technique, if the test is an incorrect implementation of the technique
13:47:40 <shadi> AJL: so only the first one passes because its a pass
13:48:07 <shadi> ...the other two are failures because the text or audio is not right
13:53:58 <shadi> SAZ: it is an interesting design concept that "failed tests" do not map to techniques, would like michaels input on it
13:54:34 <shadi> CS: we can map to common failures, but not all failures are common failure
13:57:15 <shadi> AJL: would be a value-add to be able to say that this failure maps to this success criteria
13:57:22 <shadi> CS: there is a way to do this
13:57:47 <shadi> s/only the first one passes/only the last one passes
13:58:30 <shadi> SAZ: need to balance what a tools developer may want to see (all tests) and what a web developer may want to see
13:59:00 <shadi> ...failures will quickly fill the space, for example in the quick reference
13:59:22 <shadi> action: AJL finalize the technique/failure mapping
14:00:48 <Christophe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007AprJun/0043.html
14:01:43 <Zakim> + +1.703.831.aaaa
14:01:57 <Zakim> -Drew
14:02:14 <Drew_LaHart> Zakim, +1.703 is Drew
14:02:14 <Zakim> +Drew; got it
14:02:37 <shadi> action: CS send e-mail to MC and cc TF on mapping failures to SCs, and potential impact on the quick reference
14:02:48 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:02:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Reviewing test samples for current working draft" taken up [from shadi]
14:03:28 <shadi> CS: we have action items on reviewing test samples
14:04:11 <Christophe> http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList
14:05:25 <shadi> action: SAZ review test samples marked "reviewer 03"
14:05:44 <shadi> action: TB review test samples marked "reviewer 01"
14:07:10 <shadi> action: CI review test samples marked "reviewer 02"
14:07:54 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Sep/0006.html
14:08:11 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/process
14:09:56 <shadi> action: CV look into test samples that RR could do
14:10:38 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:10:38 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?" taken up [from shadi]
14:11:42 <shadi> action: AJL review test samples marked "reviewer 04"
14:12:34 <Christophe> How to use Schematron to check test samples: http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/tsdtf_schematron.html
14:13:11 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:13:11 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?" taken up [from shadi]
14:13:35 <shadi> CS: defer this to next week when MC is on the call too
14:15:21 <shadi> SAZ: my only concern is amout of work vs added value, but think if needed than better now than later
14:15:35 <shadi> ...i'm happy with the group decision
14:15:50 <shadi> ...whatever is decided (i will not be here for the next call)
14:16:09 <shadi> action: CS to provide an estimate on the amount of work required
14:17:19 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:17:19 <Zakim> agendum 4. "User friendly metadata view" taken up [from shadi]
14:17:49 <Christophe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0002.html
14:18:08 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/att-0002/sc1.2.1_l1_001.20071015.html
14:18:11 <Christophe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0005.html
14:18:55 <shadi> http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/misc/tsdtf/tcdlhtmlexamples/sc1.2.5_l3_001.20071016.html
14:23:47 <shadi> CI: at first glance it is an improvement, don't have many more comments right now
14:28:24 <shadi> SAZ: what does "test case needs review" mean?
14:28:34 <shadi> CS: the expected result is "can not tell"
14:29:55 <shadi> SAZ: we decided to fix this, right?
14:30:35 <shadi> CS: this one isn't yet fixed
14:31:29 <shadi> SAZ: maybe also a list for Technologies & Features?
14:31:44 <shadi> CS: probably nested lists if there are features too
14:33:27 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:33:27 <shadi> next meeting in two weeks
14:33:30 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
14:33:32 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:33:37 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:33:42 <Zakim> -Drew
14:33:43 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM has ended
14:33:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Dimitar_Denev, CarlosV, Christophe_Strobbe, Drew, Carlos_Iglesias, +1.703.831.aaaa
14:33:55 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:34:02 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:34:07 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:34:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
14:34:09 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:34:13 <shadi> rrsagent, ybe
14:34:13 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'ybe', shadi.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:34:17 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:34:17 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
14:34:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AJL finalize the technique/failure mapping [1]
14:34:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T13-59-22
14:34:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS send e-mail to MC and cc TF on mapping failures to SCs, and potential impact on the quick reference [2]
14:34:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-02-37
14:34:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ review test samples marked "reviewer 03" [3]
14:34:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-05-25
14:34:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TB review test samples marked "reviewer 01" [4]
14:34:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-05-44
14:34:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CI review test samples marked "reviewer 02" [5]
14:34:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-07-10
14:34:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CV look into test samples that RR could do [6]
14:34:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-09-56
14:34:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AJL review test samples marked "reviewer 04" [7]
14:34:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-11-42
14:34:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS to provide an estimate on the amount of work required [8]
14:34:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-16-09