IRC log of tsdtf on 2007-10-30
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc
- 13:28:03 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be tsd
- 13:28:03 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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- meeting: TSD TF
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- chair: CarlosV, Christophe
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0006.html
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- agenda+ Test cases without a technique/failure mapping
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- agenda+ Reviewing test samples for current working draft
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- agenda+ Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?
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- agenda+ User friendly metadata view
- 13:29:59 [Zakim]
- WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM has now started
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- +Shadi
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- +Dimitar_Denev
- 13:32:50 [shadi]
- zakim, dimitar is really CarlosV
- 13:32:51 [Zakim]
- +CarlosV; got it
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- 13:35:11 [CarlosV]
- http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item228
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- +Drew
- 13:40:03 [shadi]
- regrets: Vangelis
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- scribe: Shadi
- 13:41:04 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 13:41:04 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Test cases without a technique/failure mapping" taken up [from shadi]
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- +Carlos_Iglesias
- 13:41:37 [shadi]
- agenda?
- 13:41:46 [Drew_LaHart]
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- CS: Drew sent comments on the mapping, doesn't have CVS yet
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- SAZ: working on CVS account for Drew, will send directions to generate SSH key
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- AJL: do all the tests map to the same techniques?
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- CS: we don't map to the technique, if the test is an incorrect implementation of the technique
- 13:47:40 [shadi]
- AJL: so only the first one passes because its a pass
- 13:48:07 [shadi]
- ...the other two are failures because the text or audio is not right
- 13:53:58 [shadi]
- SAZ: it is an interesting design concept that "failed tests" do not map to techniques, would like michaels input on it
- 13:54:34 [shadi]
- CS: we can map to common failures, but not all failures are common failure
- 13:57:15 [shadi]
- AJL: would be a value-add to be able to say that this failure maps to this success criteria
- 13:57:22 [shadi]
- CS: there is a way to do this
- 13:57:47 [shadi]
- s/only the first one passes/only the last one passes
- 13:58:30 [shadi]
- SAZ: need to balance what a tools developer may want to see (all tests) and what a web developer may want to see
- 13:59:00 [shadi]
- ...failures will quickly fill the space, for example in the quick reference
- 13:59:22 [shadi]
- action: AJL finalize the technique/failure mapping
- 14:00:48 [Christophe]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007AprJun/0043.html
- 14:01:43 [Zakim]
- + +1.703.831.aaaa
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- -Drew
- 14:02:14 [Drew_LaHart]
- Zakim, +1.703 is Drew
- 14:02:14 [Zakim]
- +Drew; got it
- 14:02:37 [shadi]
- action: CS send e-mail to MC and cc TF on mapping failures to SCs, and potential impact on the quick reference
- 14:02:48 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
- 14:02:48 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Reviewing test samples for current working draft" taken up [from shadi]
- 14:03:28 [shadi]
- CS: we have action items on reviewing test samples
- 14:04:11 [Christophe]
- http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList
- 14:05:25 [shadi]
- action: SAZ review test samples marked "reviewer 03"
- 14:05:44 [shadi]
- action: TB review test samples marked "reviewer 01"
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- action: CI review test samples marked "reviewer 02"
- 14:07:54 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Sep/0006.html
- 14:08:11 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/process
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- action: CV look into test samples that RR could do
- 14:10:38 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
- 14:10:38 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?" taken up [from shadi]
- 14:11:42 [shadi]
- action: AJL review test samples marked "reviewer 04"
- 14:12:34 [Christophe]
- How to use Schematron to check test samples: http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0/tsdtf_schematron.html
- 14:13:11 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
- 14:13:11 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?" taken up [from shadi]
- 14:13:35 [shadi]
- CS: defer this to next week when MC is on the call too
- 14:15:21 [shadi]
- SAZ: my only concern is amout of work vs added value, but think if needed than better now than later
- 14:15:35 [shadi]
- ...i'm happy with the group decision
- 14:15:50 [shadi]
- ...whatever is decided (i will not be here for the next call)
- 14:16:09 [shadi]
- action: CS to provide an estimate on the amount of work required
- 14:17:19 [shadi]
- zakim, take up next
- 14:17:19 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "User friendly metadata view" taken up [from shadi]
- 14:17:49 [Christophe]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0002.html
- 14:18:08 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/att-0002/sc1.2.1_l1_001.20071015.html
- 14:18:11 [Christophe]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0005.html
- 14:18:55 [shadi]
- http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/misc/tsdtf/tcdlhtmlexamples/sc1.2.5_l3_001.20071016.html
- 14:23:47 [shadi]
- CI: at first glance it is an improvement, don't have many more comments right now
- 14:28:24 [shadi]
- SAZ: what does "test case needs review" mean?
- 14:28:34 [shadi]
- CS: the expected result is "can not tell"
- 14:29:55 [shadi]
- SAZ: we decided to fix this, right?
- 14:30:35 [shadi]
- CS: this one isn't yet fixed
- 14:31:29 [shadi]
- SAZ: maybe also a list for Technologies & Features?
- 14:31:44 [shadi]
- CS: probably nested lists if there are features too
- 14:33:27 [Zakim]
- -CarlosV
- 14:33:27 [shadi]
- next meeting in two weeks
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Shadi
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- -Carlos_Iglesias
- 14:33:42 [Zakim]
- -Drew
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- WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM has ended
- 14:33:45 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Shadi, Dimitar_Denev, CarlosV, Christophe_Strobbe, Drew, Carlos_Iglesias, +1.703.831.aaaa
- 14:33:55 [shadi]
- zakim, bye
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- Zakim has left #tsdtf
- 14:34:02 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, ybe
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'ybe', shadi. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 14:34:17 [shadi]
- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: AJL finalize the technique/failure mapping [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T13-59-22
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: CS send e-mail to MC and cc TF on mapping failures to SCs, and potential impact on the quick reference [2]
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-02-37
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: SAZ review test samples marked "reviewer 03" [3]
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-05-25
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: TB review test samples marked "reviewer 01" [4]
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-05-44
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: CI review test samples marked "reviewer 02" [5]
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-07-10
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: CV look into test samples that RR could do [6]
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-09-56
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: AJL review test samples marked "reviewer 04" [7]
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-11-42
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: CS to provide an estimate on the amount of work required [8]
- 14:34:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-tsdtf-irc#T14-16-09