15:04:46 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #webcgm
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15:05:15 <lofton> zakim, who is here
15:05:15 <Zakim> lofton, you need to end that query with '?'
15:05:25 <lofton> zakim, who is here?
15:05:25 <Zakim> sorry, lofton, I don't know what conference this is
15:05:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, lofton, trackbot-ng
15:05:42 <lofton> zakim, this is webcgm teleconference
15:05:42 <Zakim> sorry, lofton, I do not see a conference named 'webcgm teleconference' in progress or scheduled at this time
15:06:24 <lofton> zakim, this is webcgm
15:06:24 <Zakim> ok, lofton; that matches GA_WebCGM()11:00AM
15:06:35 <lofton> zakim who is here?
15:06:44 <lofton> zakim, who is here?
15:06:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lofton_Henderson, BenoitB, ??P16
15:06:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, lofton, trackbot-ng
15:07:03 <Stuart> Stuart has joined #webcgm
15:07:26 <lofton> zakim, ??P16 is Dave&Stuart
15:07:26 <Zakim> +Dave&Stuart; got it
15:08:00 <lofton> zakim help
15:08:06 <lofton> zakim, help
15:08:06 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
15:08:08 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
15:08:09 <Zakim>  xxx is yyy       - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
15:08:12 <Zakim>                     if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
15:08:15 <Zakim>  xxx may be yyy   - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
15:08:17 <Zakim>  I am xxx         - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
15:08:19 <Zakim>  xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
15:08:22 <Zakim>  xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
15:08:24 <Zakim>  who's here?      - lists the participants on the phone
15:08:27 <Zakim>  who's muted?     - lists the participants who are muted
15:08:29 <Zakim>  mute xxx         - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
15:08:32 <Zakim>  unmute xxx       - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
15:08:34 <Zakim>  is xxx here?     - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
15:08:37 <Zakim>  list conferences - reports the active conferences
15:08:39 <Zakim>  this is xxx      - associates this channel with conference xxx
15:08:41 <Zakim>  excuse us        - disconnects from the irc channel
15:08:43 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2007/10/25 16:28:08 $
15:08:59 <lofton> zakim, ??P16 holds dave, stuart
15:08:59 <Zakim> sorry, lofton, I do not recognize a party named '??P16'
15:09:25 <lofton>  zakim, Dave&Stuart holds dave, stuart
15:09:25 <Zakim> +dave, stuart; got it
15:09:55 <lofton> zakim, who is here?
15:09:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lofton_Henderson, BenoitB, Dave&Stuart
15:09:58 <Zakim> Dave&Stuart has dave, stuart
15:10:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see Stuart, RRSAgent, Zakim, lofton, trackbot-ng
15:11:58 <lofton> chair:  lofton
15:12:39 <lofton> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2007Oct/0037.html
15:14:11 <davec> davec has joined #webcgm
15:18:31 <thierry> thierry has joined #webcgm
15:19:18 <Zakim> +Thierry
15:19:50 <bbezaire> bbezaire has joined #webcgm
15:20:19 <lofton> scribe:  bbezaire
15:20:26 <lofton> scribenick: benoit
15:21:18 <lofton> agenda item: roll call
15:21:28 <lofton> regrets: dieter
15:21:40 <lofton> zakim, who is here?
15:21:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lofton_Henderson, BenoitB, Dave&Stuart, Thierry
15:21:42 <Zakim> Dave&Stuart has dave, stuart
15:21:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see bbezaire, thierry, davec, Stuart, RRSAgent, Zakim, lofton, trackbot-ng
15:21:52 <Stuart> I think agenda items are done with topic:
15:22:03 <lofton> s/agenda item/topic/
15:22:13 <lofton> topic: routine business
15:22:16 <lofton> none.
15:22:35 <lofton> topic:  end of charter
15:23:09 <bbezaire> LH: Thierry sent us a draft charter
15:23:21 <bbezaire> LH: I have a few comments/questions
15:25:16 <bbezaire> LH: I think it would be a good idea to say in the charter that we expect this to be a relatively short project
15:25:27 <bbezaire> DC: yes I think so.
15:25:49 <bbezaire> BB: what do we gain by saying that?
15:27:17 <bbezaire> LH: I think it will help make sure the project won't be 2 or 3 years long.
15:28:57 <bbezaire> TM: I think it would be a good idea, and we should consider splitting requirements for a fast track WebCGM and a longer 3.0 specification
15:30:25 <bbezaire> TM: a one year project is agressive, it means Last Call comments in July
15:34:46 <bbezaire> BB: Since the work is shared between two WGs, it gives us less control over the time period.
15:42:18 <bbezaire> TM: the reason I have two drafts is because the W3C ask us to publish every 3 months
15:42:55 <bbezaire> LH: the problem with that is the coordination between the two groups
15:45:47 <Ben> Ben has joined #webcgm
15:46:25 <Ben> scribenick: Ben
15:50:10 <Ben> BB: I think the charter if fine as it is
15:51:37 <Ben> LH: public-webcgm@w3.org is the wrong list for the group
15:53:10 <Ben> LH: under mission and scope... it could be renamed Background
15:53:44 <Ben> SG: I think renaming would be good.
15:54:13 <Ben> LH: Requirements could be renamed to Mission and Scope
15:54:19 <Ben> TM: ok
16:02:04 <Ben> LH: About Relationship to other groups... these are mostly based for 2.0 work. all may not be relevant for 2.1
16:03:50 <Stuart> I need to hang up now.  My other meeting is starting
16:03:54 <Ben> LH: Is there any way that other groups can be restricted to comment on the delta only
16:07:34 <Ben> TM: we could add a general statement that applies to all the group, we would like feedback on the new 2.1 features, etc..
16:09:41 <Ben> action: Lofton to propose changes to Relationship to other forums
16:09:41 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-55 - Propose changes to Relationship to other forums [on Lofton Henderson - due 2007-11-01].
16:10:11 <Ben> action: Dave to correct any links to Forums outside W3C
16:10:11 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-56 - Correct any links to Forums outside W3C [on David Cruikshank - due 2007-11-01].
16:10:41 <Ben> LH: next meeting should be in two weeks.
16:11:02 <Ben> LH: lets try to have a new draft by next week.
16:14:25 <lofton> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:14:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-webcgm-minutes.html lofton
16:15:22 <Stuart> bye
16:15:38 <Zakim> -Dave&Stuart
16:15:46 <Ben> adjourn
16:15:56 <Zakim> -BenoitB
16:18:55 <Ben> rrsagent, bye
16:19:43 <Ben> rrsagent, bookmark
16:19:43 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-webcgm-irc#T16-19-43
16:26:16 <Ben> rrsagent, make public
16:26:16 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public', Ben.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:27:53 <Ben> rrsagent, make logs public-visible
16:28:00 <Ben> rrsagent, bye
16:28:00 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-webcgm-actions.rdf :
16:28:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Lofton to propose changes to Relationship to other forums [1]
16:28:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-webcgm-irc#T16-09-41
16:28:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dave to correct any links to Forums outside W3C [2]
16:28:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-webcgm-irc#T16-10-11