IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-10-25
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc
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- meeting: WAI WCAG
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- chair: Gregg, Loretta
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- rrsagent, make log world
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007OctDec/0034.html
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- regrets: Tim_Boland, Drew_LaHart
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- agenda+ Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025link/results>
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025misc/results>
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- zakim, call cooper-ottawa
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- ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
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- +Cooper
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- zakim, who's on the phone
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- I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Christophe
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- +??P8
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- + +078750aaaa
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- Zakim, ??P8 is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 20:03:02 [Christophe]
- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero, +078750aaaa
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- On IRC I see rellero__, Gregg, Loretta, Christophe, Sofia, RRSAgent, Zakim, bengt, Andi, MichaelC
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- +Alex_Li
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- zakim, +078 is probably Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Christophe_Strobbe?; got it
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- +??P1
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- zakim, ??P1 is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- +[IBM]
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- scribe: Sofia
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 20:10:17 [Sofia]
- Aiming to send comment responses next week.
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- Michael has instructions for what to do.
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- +??P14
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- zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed
- 20:15:41 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025link/results> [from MichaelC]
- 20:15:59 [Sofia]
- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025link/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- topic: SC 2.4.4 and 2.4.8 Proposals
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- q+
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- ack l
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- q+
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- ack a
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- ack c
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- q+
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- ack d
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- q+
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- ack d
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- ack a
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- RESOLUTION: accept version B as amended
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- topic: Link Context: Preceding Heading
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 20:40:08 [Loretta]
- david, H78 contains the user agent notes for enclosing paragraph
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 20:44:16 [Loretta]
- q+
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- ACK l
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- q+
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- ack d
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- q+
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- ack s
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- ack c
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- RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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- Topic: Link Context: Nested Sublist
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- RESOLUTION: accept
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- Topic: Issue 2008, 2325: Ban hiding link text
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- q+
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- acl l
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- ack l
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- zakim, who's making noise
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- I don't understand 'who's making noise', Sofia
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- ack s
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- q+
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- +??P3
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack d
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ACTION: Cynthia to create technique for swapping style sheet
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- RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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- Topic: Issue 2009: Links give context
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- ACTION: Optimizing web pages for the link list feature in screen readers
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- s/Optimizing/Cynthia to create technique: Optimizing
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- RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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- Topic: Issue 2150: Change level to AA or AAA
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- RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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- Topic: Issue 2252: Keep 2.4.4 as a Level-A Success Criterion
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- RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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- Topic: Issue 2343: 2.4.4 and 2.4.8: 2.4.8 should move to Level 1 and replace 2.4.4
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- -Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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- Topic: Issue 2061, 2104 and 2127: Level of 2.4.8 should be higher
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- RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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- zakim, close item
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- I don't understand 'close item', Sofia
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- zakim, close item 2
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- agendum 2, Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025link/results>, closed
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- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 3. Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025misc/results> [from MichaelC]
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025misc/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 21:39:07 [Sofia]
- Topic: Issue 2141, 2174, 2308: accessibility supported
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- q+
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- q-
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- ack c
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- ACTION: Bruce to look for place to comment on text browser
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- RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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- topic: Images of Text (Success Criterion and Understanding Document)
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- q+
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- ack c
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- ack s
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- ack s
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- q+
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- ack l
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- q+
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- + +032163aabb
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- zakim, +032 is Christophe_Strobbe
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- +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
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- ack l
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- q+
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- ack l
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- q+
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- ack s
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- q+
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- ack s
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- ack b
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- ack c
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- -Roberto_Ellero
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- ACTION: Sofia, Cynthia, Sean, Andi and Gregg to work on a language for new SC that may be accepted at Level AA
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- RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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- topic: Issues 2118, 2228: Proposal for Focus-related Success Criteria
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- zakim, mute me
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
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- ack c
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- q+
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- ack g
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- ack a
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- ack b
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- ack a
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- q?
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- q+
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- ack s
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- +Andrew.a
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- scribe: Gregg
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- resolution: Leave open and resubmit
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- action: Rework 2118, 2228 Cynthia, Gregg, Andrew, Loretta
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- zakim, unmute me
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- David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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- scribe: loretta
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- zakim, mute me
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- David_MacDonald should now be muted
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- topic: Issue 2134, 2218: SC 4.1.1 and markup languages
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- ack b
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- resolution: accepted as amended
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- topic: Issue 2238: H21 - test procedure
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- resolution: accepted by uc
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- topic: Issue 2291: semantics conveyed through presentation?
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- resolution: accepted as amended
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- topic: Issue 2160: Human testers should always be persons with disabilities
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- resolution: accept as amended by Cynthia and Gregg, and the first sentence of Christophe's suggestion
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- topic: Failure of SC 1.4.4 and SC 1.4.7 when resizing text does not resize text-based form controls
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- resolution: accept as amended
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- topic: Changing the background color or border of the element with focus
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- action: cynthia to write script technique for changing the background color or border of the element with focus
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- resolution: accept as amended
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- -Alex_Li
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- -Cooper
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- -Andrew.a
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- -Sean_Hayes
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Loretta
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- RRSAgent, set logs public
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Sofia_Celic, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, +078750aaaa, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey, Sean_Hayes, Bengt_Farre,
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- ... Andi_Snow-Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +032163aabb, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andrew
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- rrsagent, bye
- 23:30:06 [RRSAgent]
- I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Cynthia to create technique for swapping style sheet [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-19-11
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- ACTION: Optimizing web pages for the link list feature in screen readers [2]
- 23:30:06 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-25-15
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- ACTION: Bruce to look for place to comment on text browser [3]
- 23:30:06 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-44-06
- 23:30:06 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sofia, Cynthia, Sean, Andi and Gregg to work on a language for new SC that may be accepted at Level AA [4]
- 23:30:06 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T22-34-50
- 23:30:06 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Rework 2118, 2228 Cynthia, Gregg, Andrew, Loretta [5]
- 23:30:06 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T23-04-17
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- ACTION: cynthia to write script technique for changing the background color or border of the element with focus [6]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T23-21-26