IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-10-25

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc
19:29:37 [MichaelC]
meeting: WAI WCAG
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chair: Gregg, Loretta
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rrsagent, make log world
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007OctDec/0034.html
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regrets: Tim_Boland, Drew_LaHart
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025link/results>
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agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025misc/results>
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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+Sofia_Celic
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zakim, call cooper-ottawa
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ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
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+Cooper
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+David_MacDonald
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+Christophe_Strobbe
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zakim, who's on the phone
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I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Christophe
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+??P8
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+ +078750aaaa
20:02:52 [rellero__]
Zakim, ??P8 is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:03:02 [Christophe]
zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero, +078750aaaa
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On IRC I see rellero__, Gregg, Loretta, Christophe, Sofia, RRSAgent, Zakim, bengt, Andi, MichaelC
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+Alex_Li
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:04:11 [MichaelC]
zakim, +078 is probably Christophe_Strobbe
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+Christophe_Strobbe?; got it
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+??P1
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zakim, ??P1 is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
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+[IBM]
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scribe: Sofia
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC]
20:10:17 [Sofia]
Aiming to send comment responses next week.
20:11:34 [Sofia]
Michael has instructions for what to do.
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+??P14
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025link/results> [from MichaelC]
20:15:59 [Sofia]
zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2. "Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025link/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
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topic: SC 2.4.4 and 2.4.8 Proposals
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q+
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ack l
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q+
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ack a
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ack c
20:26:59 [David]
q+
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ack d
20:32:46 [David]
q+
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ack d
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ack a
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RESOLUTION: accept version B as amended
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topic: Link Context: Preceding Heading
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-Bruce_Bailey
20:40:08 [Loretta]
david, H78 contains the user agent notes for enclosing paragraph
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+Bruce_Bailey
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-Bruce_Bailey
20:44:16 [Loretta]
q+
20:44:28 [Gregg]
ACK l
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:46:18 [David]
q+
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ack d
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q+
20:49:29 [Loretta]
ack s
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ack c
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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Topic: Link Context: Nested Sublist
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RESOLUTION: accept
20:51:08 [Sofia]
Topic: Issue 2008, 2325: Ban hiding link text
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q+
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acl l
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ack l
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zakim, who's making noise
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I don't understand 'who's making noise', Sofia
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:01:26 [Gregg]
ack s
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q+
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+??P3
21:04:53 [David]
q+
21:05:17 [Gregg]
ack l
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ack d
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q+
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ack l
21:19:11 [Sofia]
ACTION: Cynthia to create technique for swapping style sheet
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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Topic: Issue 2009: Links give context
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ACTION: Optimizing web pages for the link list feature in screen readers
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s/Optimizing/Cynthia to create technique: Optimizing
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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Topic: Issue 2150: Change level to AA or AAA
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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Topic: Issue 2252: Keep 2.4.4 as a Level-A Success Criterion
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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Topic: Issue 2343: 2.4.4 and 2.4.8: 2.4.8 should move to Level 1 and replace 2.4.4
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-Andi_Snow-Weaver
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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Topic: Issue 2061, 2104 and 2127: Level of 2.4.8 should be higher
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
21:38:05 [Sofia]
zakim, close item
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I don't understand 'close item', Sofia
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zakim, close item 2
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agendum 2, Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025link/results>, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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3. Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025misc/results> [from MichaelC]
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zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20071025misc/results>" taken up [from MichaelC]
21:39:07 [Sofia]
Topic: Issue 2141, 2174, 2308: accessibility supported
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q+
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q-
21:43:53 [Gregg]
ack c
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ACTION: Bruce to look for place to comment on text browser
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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topic: Images of Text (Success Criterion and Understanding Document)
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q+
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ack c
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ack s
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ack s
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q+
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ack l
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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q+
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+ +032163aabb
22:02:57 [Christophe]
zakim, +032 is Christophe_Strobbe
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+Christophe_Strobbe; got it
22:03:45 [Gregg]
ack l
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q+
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ack l
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q+
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ack s
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q+
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ack s
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ack b
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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ack c
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-Roberto_Ellero
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ACTION: Sofia, Cynthia, Sean, Andi and Gregg to work on a language for new SC that may be accepted at Level AA
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RESOLUTION: accept as amended
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topic: Issues 2118, 2228: Proposal for Focus-related Success Criteria
22:36:34 [David]
zakim, mute me
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David_MacDonald should now be muted
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ack c
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+Katie_Haritos-Shea
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q+
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ack g
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ack a
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ack b
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-Bengt_Farre
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ack a
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q?
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q+
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ack s
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+Andrew.a
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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scribe: Gregg
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-Sofia_Celic
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resolution: Leave open and resubmit
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action: Rework 2118, 2228 Cynthia, Gregg, Andrew, Loretta
23:04:26 [David]
zakim, unmute me
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David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
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scribe: loretta
23:08:21 [David]
zakim, mute me
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David_MacDonald should now be muted
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topic: Issue 2134, 2218: SC 4.1.1 and markup languages
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ack b
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resolution: accepted as amended
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topic: Issue 2238: H21 - test procedure
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resolution: accepted by uc
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topic: Issue 2291: semantics conveyed through presentation?
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resolution: accepted as amended
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topic: Issue 2160: Human testers should always be persons with disabilities
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resolution: accept as amended by Cynthia and Gregg, and the first sentence of Christophe's suggestion
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topic: Failure of SC 1.4.4 and SC 1.4.7 when resizing text does not resize text-based form controls
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resolution: accept as amended
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topic: Changing the background color or border of the element with focus
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action: cynthia to write script technique for changing the background color or border of the element with focus
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resolution: accept as amended
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-Alex_Li
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-Cooper
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-Andrew.a
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-Sean_Hayes
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Loretta
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Sofia_Celic, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, +078750aaaa, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey, Sean_Hayes, Bengt_Farre,
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... Andi_Snow-Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +032163aabb, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andrew
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Cynthia to create technique for swapping style sheet [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-19-11
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ACTION: Optimizing web pages for the link list feature in screen readers [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-25-15
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ACTION: Bruce to look for place to comment on text browser [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-44-06
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ACTION: Sofia, Cynthia, Sean, Andi and Gregg to work on a language for new SC that may be accepted at Level AA [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T22-34-50
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ACTION: Rework 2118, 2228 Cynthia, Gregg, Andrew, Loretta [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T23-04-17
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ACTION: cynthia to write script technique for changing the background color or border of the element with focus [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T23-21-26