19:29:32 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 19:29:32 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc 19:29:37 meeting: WAI WCAG 19:29:43 chair: Gregg, Loretta 19:29:52 rrsagent, make log world 19:30:10 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007OctDec/0034.html 19:30:21 regrets: Tim_Boland, Drew_LaHart 19:30:40 agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates 19:30:57 agenda+ Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 19:31:20 agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 19:56:35 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 19:57:10 Christophe has joined #wai-wcag 19:57:30 WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started 19:57:38 +Sofia_Celic 19:58:17 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 19:59:46 Gregg has joined #wai-wcag 20:00:41 zakim, call cooper-ottawa 20:00:41 ok, MichaelC; the call is being made 20:00:43 +Cooper 20:00:55 +Loretta_Guarino_Reid 20:01:18 rellero__ has joined #wai-wcag 20:01:27 +David_MacDonald 20:01:50 +Christophe_Strobbe 20:02:07 zakim, who's on the phone 20:02:07 I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Christophe 20:02:41 +??P8 20:02:51 + +078750aaaa 20:02:52 Zakim, ??P8 is Roberto_Ellero 20:02:52 +Roberto_Ellero; got it 20:03:02 zakim, who's here? 20:03:02 On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero, +078750aaaa 20:03:04 On IRC I see rellero__, Gregg, Loretta, Christophe, Sofia, RRSAgent, Zakim, bengt, Andi, MichaelC 20:03:12 +Alex_Li 20:03:58 +Bruce_Bailey 20:04:11 zakim, +078 is probably Christophe_Strobbe 20:04:11 +Christophe_Strobbe?; got it 20:05:18 +??P1 20:05:29 zakim, ??P1 is Bengt_Farre 20:05:29 +Bengt_Farre; got it 20:05:33 +[IBM] 20:06:18 David has joined #wai-wcag 20:06:42 scribe: Sofia 20:07:30 zakim, take up item 1 20:07:30 agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from MichaelC] 20:10:17 Aiming to send comment responses next week. 20:11:34 Michael has instructions for what to do. 20:12:19 +??P14 20:15:40 zakim, close item 1 20:15:40 agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed 20:15:41 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 20:15:42 2. Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 [from MichaelC] 20:15:59 zakim, take up item 2 20:15:59 agendum 2. "Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 " taken up [from MichaelC] 20:16:35 topic: SC 2.4.4 and 2.4.8 Proposals 20:17:37 q+ 20:18:41 ack l 20:22:00 q+ 20:22:15 ack a 20:24:25 ack c 20:26:59 q+ 20:27:25 ack d 20:32:46 q+ 20:32:58 ack d 20:33:54 ack a 20:37:13 RESOLUTION: accept version B as amended 20:37:25 topic: Link Context: Preceding Heading 20:38:58 -Bruce_Bailey 20:40:08 david, H78 contains the user agent notes for enclosing paragraph 20:40:28 +Bruce_Bailey 20:43:24 -Bruce_Bailey 20:44:16 q+ 20:44:28 ACK l 20:44:51 +Bruce_Bailey 20:46:18 q+ 20:46:40 ack d 20:48:37 q+ 20:49:29 ack s 20:49:41 ack c 20:50:21 RESOLUTION: accept as amended 20:50:47 Topic: Link Context: Nested Sublist 20:50:54 RESOLUTION: accept 20:51:08 Topic: Issue 2008, 2325: Ban hiding link text 20:51:31 q+ 20:51:51 acl l 20:51:54 ack l 20:52:22 zakim, who's making noise 20:52:22 I don't understand 'who's making noise', Sofia 20:57:26 +Andrew_Kirkpatrick 21:01:26 ack s 21:04:08 q+ 21:04:52 +??P3 21:04:53 q+ 21:05:17 ack l 21:07:52 ack d 21:08:17 q+ 21:08:47 ack l 21:19:11 ACTION: Cynthia to create technique for swapping style sheet 21:22:29 RESOLUTION: accept as amended 21:22:50 Topic: Issue 2009: Links give context 21:25:15 ACTION: Optimizing web pages for the link list feature in screen readers 21:25:49 s/Optimizing/Cynthia to create technique: Optimizing 21:28:59 RESOLUTION: accept as amended 21:29:13 Topic: Issue 2150: Change level to AA or AAA 21:31:24 RESOLUTION: accept as amended 21:31:32 Topic: Issue 2252: Keep 2.4.4 as a Level-A Success Criterion 21:32:27 RESOLUTION: accept as amended 21:32:39 Topic: Issue 2343: 2.4.4 and 2.4.8: 2.4.8 should move to Level 1 and replace 2.4.4 21:33:41 -Andi_Snow-Weaver 21:34:29 RESOLUTION: accept as amended 21:34:47 Topic: Issue 2061, 2104 and 2127: Level of 2.4.8 should be higher 21:37:52 RESOLUTION: accept as amended 21:38:05 zakim, close item 21:38:05 I don't understand 'close item', Sofia 21:38:12 zakim, close item 2 21:38:12 agendum 2, Link Purpose Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 , closed 21:38:15 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 21:38:16 3. Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 [from MichaelC] 21:38:23 zakim, take up item 3 21:38:23 agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 25 Oct 2007 " taken up [from MichaelC] 21:39:07 Topic: Issue 2141, 2174, 2308: accessibility supported 21:39:57 q+ 21:40:56 q- 21:43:53 ack c 21:44:06 ACTION: Bruce to look for place to comment on text browser 21:45:33 RESOLUTION: accept as amended 21:45:44 topic: Images of Text (Success Criterion and Understanding Document) 21:52:12 q+ 21:52:26 ack c 21:52:50 ack s 21:52:54 ack s 21:56:51 q+ 21:57:50 ack l 22:01:33 -Christophe_Strobbe 22:02:31 q+ 22:02:40 + +032163aabb 22:02:57 zakim, +032 is Christophe_Strobbe 22:02:57 +Christophe_Strobbe; got it 22:03:45 ack l 22:06:35 q+ 22:08:17 ack l 22:18:43 q+ 22:19:09 ack s 22:26:12 q+ 22:26:36 ack s 22:27:48 ack b 22:28:39 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 22:28:48 ack c 22:28:49 -Roberto_Ellero 22:34:50 ACTION: Sofia, Cynthia, Sean, Andi and Gregg to work on a language for new SC that may be accepted at Level AA 22:35:06 RESOLUTION: accept as amended 22:35:33 topic: Issues 2118, 2228: Proposal for Focus-related Success Criteria 22:36:34 zakim, mute me 22:36:34 David_MacDonald should now be muted 22:39:08 ack c 22:39:28 +Katie_Haritos-Shea 22:41:17 q+ 22:41:56 ack g 22:44:32 ack a 22:49:22 ack b 22:50:15 -Bengt_Farre 22:50:23 ack a 22:50:40 bengt has left #wai-wcag 22:53:37 GreggVan has joined #wai-wcag 22:53:48 q? 22:58:42 q+ 23:00:33 ack s 23:01:32 +Andrew.a 23:01:34 -Andrew_Kirkpatrick 23:01:56 scribe: Gregg 23:02:31 -Sofia_Celic 23:02:37 resolution: Leave open and resubmit 23:02:52 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 23:04:17 action: Rework 2118, 2228 Cynthia, Gregg, Andrew, Loretta 23:04:26 zakim, unmute me 23:04:26 David_MacDonald should no longer be muted 23:04:28 scribe: loretta 23:08:21 zakim, mute me 23:08:21 David_MacDonald should now be muted 23:08:23 topic: Issue 2134, 2218: SC 4.1.1 and markup languages 23:09:23 ack b 23:10:58 resolution: accepted as amended 23:11:23 topic: Issue 2238: H21 - test procedure 23:11:34 resolution: accepted by uc 23:11:48 topic: Issue 2291: semantics conveyed through presentation? 23:12:09 resolution: accepted as amended 23:12:20 topic: Issue 2160: Human testers should always be persons with disabilities 23:16:37 resolution: accept as amended by Cynthia and Gregg, and the first sentence of Christophe's suggestion 23:16:47 topic: Failure of SC 1.4.4 and SC 1.4.7 when resizing text does not resize text-based form controls 23:20:45 resolution: accept as amended 23:20:56 topic: Changing the background color or border of the element with focus 23:21:26 action: cynthia to write script technique for changing the background color or border of the element with focus 23:23:28 resolution: accept as amended 23:25:25 David_MacDonald has joined #wai-wcag 23:25:34 -Alex_Li 23:25:39 -Cooper 23:25:40 -Andrew.a 23:25:41 -Sean_Hayes 23:25:43 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 23:25:45 -Cynthia_Shelly 23:25:46 -Bruce_Bailey 23:25:47 -Christophe_Strobbe 23:26:37 -Loretta_Guarino_Reid 23:29:25 RRSAgent, make minutes 23:29:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html Loretta 23:29:38 RRSAgent, set logs public 23:29:51 zakim, bye 23:29:51 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Sofia_Celic, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Christophe_Strobbe, +078750aaaa, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey, Sean_Hayes, Bengt_Farre, 23:29:51 Zakim has left #wai-wcag 23:29:54 ... Andi_Snow-Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +032163aabb, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andrew 23:30:06 rrsagent, bye 23:30:06 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-actions.rdf : 23:30:06 ACTION: Cynthia to create technique for swapping style sheet [1] 23:30:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-19-11 23:30:06 ACTION: Optimizing web pages for the link list feature in screen readers [2] 23:30:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-25-15 23:30:06 ACTION: Bruce to look for place to comment on text browser [3] 23:30:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T21-44-06 23:30:06 ACTION: Sofia, Cynthia, Sean, Andi and Gregg to work on a language for new SC that may be accepted at Level AA [4] 23:30:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T22-34-50 23:30:06 ACTION: Rework 2118, 2228 Cynthia, Gregg, Andrew, Loretta [5] 23:30:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T23-04-17 23:30:06 ACTION: cynthia to write script technique for changing the background color or border of the element with focus [6] 23:30:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-wai-wcag-irc#T23-21-26