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18:01:15 <Zakim> +johnarwe
18:01:17 <Zakim> +Sandy
18:01:17 <Jordan> Scribe: Jordan Boucher
18:01:22 <Jordan> ScribeNick: Jordan
18:01:39 <Zakim> + +1.905.413.aabb
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18:01:52 <Jordan> Meeting: SML WG Teleconf 2007-10-25
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18:02:09 <Jordan> Chair: John and Pratul
18:02:15 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:02:38 <pratul> Zakim, Microsoft is me
18:02:38 <Zakim> +pratul; got it
18:02:58 <Jordan> regrets from Kirk
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18:03:07 <Zakim> + +1.610.277.aacc
18:03:24 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:03:35 <johnarwe> zakim, aacc is Jim
18:03:35 <Zakim> +Jim; got it
18:03:36 <Jordan> Topic: Roll call 
18:03:39 <Zakim> + +1.530.320.aadd
18:04:16 <johnarwe> zakim, aadd is Ginny
18:04:16 <Zakim> +Ginny; got it
18:04:28 <johnarwe> zakim, who is in the meeting
18:04:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is in the meeting', johnarwe
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18:04:38 <johnarwe> zakim, who is in the meeting?
18:04:38 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, johnarwe.
18:04:56 <Zakim> +Zulah_Eckert
18:04:59 <Jordan> zakim, aaaa is me
18:04:59 <Zakim> +Jordan; got it
18:05:18 <johnarwe> zakim, aabb is Valentina
18:05:18 <Zakim> +Valentina; got it
18:05:43 <johnarwe> zakim, who's on the phone
18:05:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', johnarwe
18:05:53 <johnarwe> zakim, who's on the phone?
18:05:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jordan, MSM, johnarwe, Sandy, Valentina, pratul, Jim, [Microsoft], Ginny, Zulah_Eckert
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18:06:46 <Jordan> marv is absent
18:06:56 <Jordan> paul is absent
18:07:04 <Jordan> kirk sent regrets
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18:07:25 <Jordan> Topic: Approve minutes from previous meetings
18:07:46 <Jordan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Oct/att-0168/20071011-sml-minutes.html 
18:08:08 <Zakim> -Ginny
18:08:13 <Zakim> + +1.505.984.aaee
18:08:36 <ginny> zakim, aaee is Ginny
18:08:36 <Zakim> +Ginny; got it
18:08:46 <Jordan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Oct/att-0114/f2f_10162007_minutes.html 
18:08:54 <Jordan>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Oct/att-0159/20071017-sml-minutes.html 
18:09:03 <Jordan> 10/15 handled next week
18:09:19 <Jordan> Resolution: 10/11, 10/16, 10/17 approved
18:09:31 <Jordan> Topic: Upcoming meetings
18:12:36 <Jordan> johnarwe: who prefers M-W?
18:12:52 <Jordan> Ginny, Pratul and Kumar prefer
18:13:01 <Jordan> johnarwe: who prefers W-F?
18:13:26 <Jordan> no one prefers W-F
18:13:51 <Jordan> March meeting, same questions
18:14:26 <Jordan> who is unable to make beginning?
18:14:31 <Jordan> no one
18:14:43 <Jordan> who prefers M-W (March 31 - April 2)
18:14:52 <Jordan> Kumar, Marv do
18:15:05 <Jordan> who prefers W-F (April 2 - 4)?
18:16:15 <Jordan> Zulah may have a conflict the entire week
18:16:59 <Jordan> Topic: talk about LC date
18:18:08 <Jordan> Pratul: John and I have discussed topic, we propose Nov. 19
18:18:56 <Jordan> 3 weeks from now
18:19:33 <Jordan> Ginny: sounds pretty aggressive
18:19:34 <MSM> Is it usefully aggressive or unrealistic?
18:21:16 <Jordan> Nov 19 is SML WG deliver to webmaster
18:21:37 <Jordan> John: does webmaster process requests the week of Thanksgiving?
18:22:21 <Jordan> MSM: no, there is a moratorium during that period
18:23:22 <Jordan> Ginny: comfortable with end of Nov, say the 30th
18:23:32 <MSM> s/no, there is moratorium during that period/there is a publication moratorium 3-11 November, and another 21 December to 1 January/ 
18:24:23 <MSM> [But Thanksgiving and the day after are indeed MIT holidays and the Webmaster will be off those days]
18:24:47 <Jordan> Kumar: proposes keep the 19th, have 2 calls per week to resolve issues
18:26:02 <Jordan> (thanks, msm.)
18:26:51 <MSM> 19 December is the deadline for formal publication requests -- when I spoke, I did in fact say 19th, since 19th at noon would be our deadline for getting the document to the Webmaster
18:27:39 <Jordan> Ginny: we are working aggressively now
18:27:58 <Jordan> Sandy: agrees with Ginny, more calls may not increase velocity
18:30:17 <Jordan> Zulah: raised concern about quorum - only able to make 1 per week
18:30:44 <Jordan> John: asked the group who is able to make 2 calls per week
18:30:59 <Jordan> MSM: cannot, due to travel plans
18:31:18 <Jordan> Valentina: Mon, Tue only, full Wed-Fri
18:31:25 <Jordan> Sandy: Mon, Wed are busy
18:32:58 <Jordan> Pratul: suggest a 1 hour call may be sufficient
18:34:00 <Jordan> John: will send around a spreadsheet for schedules
18:35:37 <Jordan> John: over achieving is allowed!  ;-)
18:36:27 <Jordan> Resolution: set LC target date for Nov 30
18:36:52 <Jordan> Topic: XML Schema 1.1 comments 
18:37:21 <Jordan> John: does anyone object to making listed comments official?
18:38:54 <Jordan> Resolution: john to make it so
18:39:08 <Jordan> Topic: Review bugs with no keywords or target
18:41:29 <Jordan> 5025 
18:41:54 <Jordan> agreement to do what Sandy proposed
18:42:18 <Jordan> 5064
18:45:54 <Jordan> agreement to resolve as Pratul suggests, marking editorial
18:45:56 <Jordan> 5069
18:51:17 <Jordan> John: believes editorial (discussion begins ...)
18:52:01 <Jordan> what is the relationship of a reference and a scheme?
18:52:51 <Jordan> agreement to hand the issue to the editors, marking editorial, requires proposal
18:52:59 <Jordan> 5106
18:54:21 <Jordan> kirk and john are discussing - mark editorial
18:54:56 <Jordan> 5134
18:55:56 <johnarwe> sandy: 5134 is a dup of 4746?
18:55:58 <Jordan> Sandy: suggests mark dup of 4746
18:56:45 <Jordan> John: no objections, mark dup
18:56:51 <Jordan> 5169
18:58:38 <Jordan> discussed at F2F, dependent on 5112, mark editorial
19:02:23 <Jordan> Valentina: proposal is define rule binding in SML
19:02:41 <Jordan> (John to capture proposal in the bug for editors)
19:05:19 <johnarwe> 2007-10-25 realized I failed to update properly on 10/11. 
19:05:19 <johnarwe> Making this editorial per 10/25 wg consensus. 
19:05:19 <johnarwe>  
19:05:19 <johnarwe> Proposal is to: 
19:05:19 <johnarwe> Review both specs to ensure the terminology defined via bug 5112 is used consistently. 
19:06:32 <pratul> Re MSM's Comment (2) - this is taken care of by the sch:rule/@context
19:07:50 <Jordan> Kumar: proposed updating 5112 with this info, closing 5169 as dup
19:08:22 <Jordan> MSM: notes in passing that the editors will want to be careful to avoid confusion between (1) the problem of binding an instance to zero or more rule documents, and (2) the problem of knowing which rule(s) in the rule document(s) apply to ('are bound to'?) which elements and attributes in the instance document.  The term 'rule binding' suggests the latter to at least some readers (e.g. me).
19:09:31 <Jordan> John: updated 5112 and 5169 properly
19:09:34 <Jordan> 5170
19:09:52 <Jordan> s/5170/5178/
19:14:12 <Jordan> discussion about concern with floor of XPath version and interop
19:15:09 <Jordan> MSM: suggests pointing out the implications of interop wrt. versions
19:16:12 <Jordan> Kumar: applies generally to floor/ceiling issues, not just XPath
19:17:22 <Jordan> MSM: non-normative text explains the consequences of the normative floor/ceiling issues
19:20:21 <Jordan> mark editorial, resolve as proposed above, needs review
19:20:49 <Jordan> 5215
19:26:04 <Jordan> John: (thinking out loud) perhaps normative refs are not necessary in SML-IF
19:26:39 <Jordan> Kumar: remove normative refs that are not actually used within a spec
19:27:12 <Jordan> fix is as Kumar suggested - remove unused normative refs from SML-IF
19:27:40 <Jordan> John: applies to both specs
19:35:35 <Jordan> Discussion about what needs to be present in SML-IF wrt. floor/ceiling
19:36:02 <Jordan> Sandy: proposes adding XML Schema 1.0 required and may support later versions
19:36:38 <Jordan> mark editorial and note about resolution
19:38:10 <Jordan> Pratul: read text he entered into bug for the above 3 part proposal
19:38:24 <Jordan> 5040
19:42:22 <johnarwe> 5118
19:45:34 <Jordan> John: reopened for some text changes
19:47:29 <Jordan> mark editorial, make the simple fix
19:47:59 <johnarwe> back to 5040
19:55:31 <Jordan> Discussion about ternary logic - Satisfied, Violated, Unknown
19:55:44 <Jordan> Pratul: Unknown implies Violated
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20:02:06 <Jim> I have to drop off.
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20:02:14 <Zakim> -Jim
20:02:34 <Zakim> -Zulah_Eckert
20:02:45 <zeckert> quit
20:03:28 <Jordan> move discussion of 5040 to email
20:03:43 <Zakim> -Sandy
20:03:44 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:03:44 <Zakim> -pratul
20:03:45 <Zakim> -Valentina
20:03:47 <Zakim> -Ginny
20:03:52 <Zakim> -Jordan
20:03:55 <Zakim> -MSM
20:03:56 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
20:03:59 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.303.495.aaaa, MSM, johnarwe, Sandy, +1.905.413.aabb, pratul, +1.610.277.aacc, [Microsoft], Jim, +1.530.320.aadd, Ginny, Zulah_Eckert, Jordan, Valentina,
20:04:02 <Zakim> ... +1.505.984.aaee
20:04:23 <Jordan> zakim, bye
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20:04:36 <Jordan> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:04:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-sml-minutes.html Jordan
20:04:50 <Jordan> rrsagent, bye
20:06:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-sml-minutes.html Sandy
20:07:27 <Jordan> zakim, who's on?
20:08:03 <RRSAgent> I see no action items