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02:39:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0170.html
02:40:01 Using webservices for RDFa test suite validation
02:40:13 The new tool, crazyivan.py[1], will do the following:
02:40:13 - Retrieve all approved or unreviewed RDFa test cases from the W3C.
02:40:13 - Use the pyRDFa Distiller web service[2] to convert to RDF and run a
02:40:13 modified SPARQL query from the test suite using the sparqler
02:40:13 interface[3].
02:40:14 - Dump the XHTML, N3 triples, RDF, and SPARQL to separate files.
02:40:18 - Generate a test report, containing all the information necessary
02:40:20 (XHTML, N3, RDF, and SPARQL), to understand the test case.
02:46:17 http://www.ilinsky.com/articles/XMLHttpRequest/
02:46:23 Re-inventing XMLHttpRequest: Cross-browser implementation with sniffing capabilities
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09:48:35 http://www.schepers.cc/?p=46
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09:52:31 the use of the word 'spastic' in that article should be reconsidered
09:53:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spastic # 2nd para, UK context
09:54:35 he's from the US though
09:54:57 i know, but it'll likely create something
09:56:42 I'ts unclear why he assumes that "Aria 2" would be backwards incompatible and why he assumes there will be many new languages like "Aria" that require a similar extension mechanism
09:57:42 But maybe that's what you do at the W3C. Generalize solutions so you can place your solution within a framework...
09:58:16 beowulf: If people want to misunderstand, I'm sure they'll find a way regardless
10:03:42 I'm not thrilled about the idea of using prefix_foo for namespaces, especially for tag names, mostly because of backwards compatibility
10:04:55 but I suppose reserving prefixes and continuing to use the colon would be even less backwards compatible
10:06:11 we could use a hyphen...
10:06:51 what about a semi-colon? Would that still be well-formed?
10:07:20 sadly, no :-(
10:07:21 looks retarded
10:07:31 yeah, but it's easier to type than an underscore
10:07:31 seriously, what's wrong with aria-disabled?
10:07:49 other than some nonsense argument about "generic prefix mechanisms"
10:10:17 I don't have a problem with aria-*, but I don't see how we could get them to stop trying to make it completely generic
10:10:55 why try?
10:11:01 (and who is "them"?)
10:11:42 whoever it is that argued for making this a generic prefix mechanism and came up with the idea of using underscore
10:12:13 my understanding is that that was doug
10:12:24 and i would not stop him making it generic if he wants to
10:12:41 though my understanding is that merely using a hyphen is enough to stop him making it generic
10:12:58 since he said the reason to _not_ use a hyphen was that you _couldn't_ make it generic with a hyphen
10:15:11 oh, I still don't think aria is useful, but continuing to argue about that doesn't seem all that productive and I've got better things to do
10:16:16 like argue about the syntax? :-D
10:16:48 :-)
10:26:53 oh, can we have a @land in case I misspell @lang again? (see, I gave my use case!)
10:26:56 Hixie, are you already below 5000 outstanding e-mails or are they coming in at about the same rate as you address them? :)
10:27:27 i'm at 3712
10:27:35 cool
10:27:39 (as of 4am last night)
10:28:09 you make strange days, trying to accomedate us? :p
10:29:22 it's when i'm not likely to be editing the imap folders :-)
10:29:26 http://www.whatwg.org/issues/data.csv
10:29:38 third column is the number that matters
10:29:46 don't ask me what timezone that's in, btw
10:29:50 i have no idea
10:29:55 probably UTC but i'm not sure
10:31:06 Oops, I forgot it takes forever for public-html emails to appear when you use a new address
10:34:42 interesting numbers
10:34:51 well i should sleep
10:34:53 nn all
10:39:02 hmm. so I'm a Capulet and a Young Turk
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10:48:11 "a parser is a program that reads a formal syntax and makes a model of it for the browser to act on" - that sounds slightly inaccurate, since it would exclude parsers for languages with no formal syntax, like C++ (where some of the parsing requirements are defined by prose) or HTML5 (where nothing is formal) or Perl (where the parsing isn't defined at all)
10:50:07 philip, iit's a blog entry, not a spec ;)
10:52:13 Philip: XML has some sort of BNF, does it not? SGML is just prose, though
10:53:41 marcos: Indeed, it's not a real problem, I'm just being pedantic and/or thinking aloud :-)
10:54:17 anne: Unicode 5.0 has very few requires regarding what exactly must be done on an error
10:54:31 anne: also, earlier versions allowed five/six byte sequences
10:55:32 gsnedders: Does the XML spec define enough stuff formally that you could feed it into a parser-creating tool and have a correct XML parser pop out?
10:56:13 Philip: I think so. I've never tried, though.
10:58:25 no
10:59:12 most definitely not
11:01:43 gsnedders, yeah, I know; this all kind of sucks
11:02:14 anne: did you hear in #whatwg about me having written a UTF-8 decoder?
11:02:44 no, what language?
11:02:47 PHP
11:02:57 is it online somewhere?
11:03:18 I'm hacking together some sort of unicode support for PHP < 6 (and it just uses the native stuff on PHP6)
11:04:21 anne: http://pastebin.ca/740956
11:04:36 anne: see line 200 onwards
11:07:50 Anyone know what feed readers change their subscription upon receiving a permanent redirect?
11:07:56 your error handling seems pretty straightforward
11:08:06 most do, I think
11:11:55 anne: I think it follows most of the recommendations in Unicode 5.0
11:12:52 Was suggested for namespace-like syntax? That looks less ugly to me than _
11:13:45 no, but that looks like scripting to me
11:13:49 I think we should just use -
11:15:28 -++
11:21:48 I just sent email trying to say what I thought I said repeatedly on the telecon :-(
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11:26:38 "The browser vendors have done *nothing* for a decade" ?
11:27:03 --http://www.w3.org/mid/a707f8300710171329g305645c7wee83abcf99ecd130@mail.gmail.com
11:27:26 yeah... he's been arguing that point for quite some time
11:27:43 I think it has to do with us not implementing XForms
11:28:17 so if you don't implement xforms, you're not doing anything?
11:28:37 I'm not sure what the reasoning is
11:36:01 I guess that thread has gone beyond the point where participating would be productive
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11:56:49 I guess ARIA attributes won't be reflected in the DOM, so element.aria_foo vs element['aria-foo'] isn't relevant?
11:57:01 Philip: right
11:57:20 just setAttribute()
11:59:00 even if they were, the convention is to remove the hyphen and uppercase the next character
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12:37:08 anne: Apache treats method names in the directive as case-sensitive
12:37:54 this is in response to?
12:38:10 any idea how I can configure Apache btw to let through custom methods?
12:38:19 anne: mainly just your prior research looking at such things a few days ago
12:38:53 k, makes sense that they do as method names are case-sensitive per HTTP
12:39:10 though browsers make a mess of that with XMLHttpRequest, but that helps authors too on the other hand
12:39:39 In HTML