IRC log of grddl-wg on 2007-10-17

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15:01:36 [rreck]
voila
15:01:56 [john-l]
Zakim, who's here?
15:01:56 [Zakim]
sorry, john-l, I don't know what conference this is
15:01:57 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, rreck, chimezie, john-l, Simone, HarryH
15:02:13 [FabienG]
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15:02:14 [rreck]
zakim, who's on the call?
15:02:14 [Zakim]
sorry, rreck, I don't know what conference this is
15:02:18 [john-l]
Zakim, this is GRDDL
15:02:19 [Zakim]
On IRC I see FabienG, RRSAgent, Zakim, rreck, chimezie, john-l, Simone, HarryH
15:02:21 [Zakim]
ok, john-l; that matches SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
15:02:25 [rreck]
zakim, who's on the call?
15:02:27 [Zakim]
On the phone I see +1.216.445.aaaa, ??P14
15:02:34 [john-l]
Zakim, I am aaaa
15:02:38 [rreck]
zakim, i am ??P14
15:02:39 [HarryH]
Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda.rdf
15:02:43 [Zakim]
+john-l; got it
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+rreck; got it
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working on it, HarryH
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agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-10-17T11:00-0400
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agendum 1 added
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agenda+ SWEO and real-world outreach
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agendum 2 added
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agenda+ Atom (GRDDL Outreach)
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agendum 3 added
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agenda+ Other GRDDL outreach opportunities
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agendum 4 added
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agenda+ W3C GRDDL Service
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agendum 5 added
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agenda+ GRDDL Wrap-Up
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agendum 6 added
15:03:21 [Zakim]
done reading agenda, HarryH
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+Chimezie_Ogbuji
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+ +049238aabb
15:04:09 [FabienG]
Zakim, I am aabb
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+FabienG; got it
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+??P1
15:04:42 [HarryH]
Zakim, HarryH is ??P1
15:04:42 [Zakim]
sorry, HarryH, I do not recognize a party named 'HarryH'
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Zakim, I am ??P1
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+HarryH; got it
15:04:55 [dbooth]
zakim, code?
15:04:56 [Zakim]
the conference code is 47335 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dbooth
15:05:16 [HarryH]
Any want to scribe?
15:05:34 [HarryH]
Chime scribing in replacement of danja
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-10-17T11:00-0400" taken up
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+DBooth
15:05:59 [dbooth]
Meeting: GRDDL
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Chair: Harry
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Scribe: Chime
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ScribeNick: chimezie
15:06:37 [HarryH]
regrets: murray,jjc,DanC
15:06:43 [HarryH]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:43 [Zakim]
On the phone I see john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth
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+[IPcaller]
15:06:58 [HarryH]
PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG -- 19th Sept 2007 as a true record
15:07:03 [Simone]
Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:07:03 [Zakim]
+Simone; got it
15:07:19 [HarryH]
RESOLVED: approved GRDDL WG -- 19th Sept 2007 as a true record
15:07:35 [chimezie]
HarryH: when do we have our next meeting
15:07:41 [rreck]
monthly meetings seem ok
15:07:51 [chimezie]
... any preferences?
15:08:24 [HarryH]
NEXT MEETING: Tentative Nov 14th, will confirm via e-mail.
15:08:32 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "SWEO and real-world outreach" taken up
15:08:37 [FabienG]
this is ISWC week
15:08:54 [FabienG]
regrets for me.
15:09:03 [chimezie]
HarryH: SWEO wants a real world use of GRDDL
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Anyone using GRDDL at work?
15:09:57 [dbooth]
Chime: HL7 use case?
15:10:33 [Zakim]
+??P8
15:10:41 [HarryH]
Danja - is Talis using GRDDL at all in any real-world use cases?
15:10:44 [danja]
Zakim, ??P8 is danja
15:10:44 [Zakim]
+danja; got it
15:10:46 [chimezie]
-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ClevelandClinic/ "Case Study: A Semantic Web Content Repository for Clinical Research"
15:10:52 [chimezie]
mentions GRDDL
15:11:25 [HarryH]
You consider this a case-study.
15:11:33 [dbooth]
danja: Talis not using GRDDL yet, but it's in progress.
15:11:48 [HarryH]
I'll send this over to SWEO okay.
15:11:55 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Atom (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up
15:12:13 [chimezie]
danja: nothing that hasn't reached the list
15:12:49 [chimezie]
HarryH: how about AtomOWL?
15:13:04 [chimezie]
danja: can't recall Kanzai's interest
15:13:15 [chimezie]
HarryH: tell him the GRDDL WG is looking for a transform for Atom
15:13:34 [chimezie]
danja: I already mentioned this to him, but the reaction was a description of what he has aleady
15:15:20 [chimezie]
danja: RSS 1.0 the thing identified is the item, in Atom it is the entry, so you have an indirection
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... combination of updated date, URI, and the content
15:16:26 [danja]
(Talis is committed to GRDDL support, and it'll definitely be appearing in demos on my to-do list)
15:17:04 [chimezie]
HarryH: Should we invite them?
15:17:11 [chimezie]
danja: wouldn't hurt
15:18:04 [chimezie]
... we could at least send a mail out and nudge him
15:18:42 [HarryH]
ACTION: Danja to e-mail Kanzaki and Henry Story about current situation and invite to GRDDL telecon.
15:18:51 [danja]
(thanks for scribing chimezie)
15:19:21 [chimezie]
HarryH: simone had an idea...
15:19:31 [dbooth]
zakim, who is on the call?
15:19:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth, Simone, danja
15:20:13 [chimezie]
FabienG: a GRDDL transform cannot serialize depending on the input content
15:20:32 [chimezie]
... how do we accomodate scenarios where the produced serialization is customized
15:20:53 [chimezie]
dbooth: what if what is produced is XML which uses a specific GRDDL transform to produce RDF/XML
15:21:41 [danja]
ah, right - RSS 1.0, DOAP too I think has additional syntax constraints
15:21:42 [chimezie]
FabienG: the input is XHTML with RDFa
15:21:42 [Simone]
Simone: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0209.html for full discussion, more long
15:22:07 [chimezie]
... the profile is GRDDL profile for RDFa. We produce RDF/XML for the RDFa in the page
15:22:32 [chimezie]
... cascade a subsequent transform to get the proper serialization
15:23:05 [chimezie]
dbooth: why can't the first transform produce the customized serialization?
15:23:13 [chimezie]
FabienG: it is a generic RDFa transform
15:23:30 [chimezie]
... it is domain independent and doesn't know that the page is using RDFa to embed RSS
15:23:56 [danja]
(the problem occurs with any model serialization...does GRDDL actually introduce anything new here? )
15:23:57 [chimezie]
dbooth: a wrapper is needed: generic RDF/XML -> specific serialization syntax
15:24:06 [chimezie]
i don't think so
15:24:29 [chimezie]
dbooth: would the GRDDL transform point to the wrapper
15:24:39 [chimezie]
FabienG: no it is not aware of its role
15:24:58 [danja]
(would the wrapper be XSLT? ew...)
15:25:36 [danja]
Zakim, mute me
15:25:36 [Zakim]
danja should now be muted
15:25:37 [chimezie]
HarryH: post-processing is done client-side
15:26:41 [chimezie]
HarryH: perhaps a RDDL nature/purpose for GRDDL post-processing
15:27:11 [HarryH]
ACTION: HarryH to point out GRDDL and RDDL overlap on this post-processing solution.
15:28:15 [chimezie]
Simone: use a dedicated transformation
15:29:33 [chimezie]
FabienG: XProc can orchestrate the cascaded transformation
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15:30:35 [chimezie]
sorry, Simone :(
15:30:44 [Zakim]
+DanC
15:30:47 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
15:30:47 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Other GRDDL outreach opportunities" taken up
15:31:23 [HarryH]
hReview microformats have a stable review vocabulary...
15:31:25 [chimezie]
HarryH: SWEO wondered about hReview microformats with a stable review vocabulary
15:31:36 [danja]
ok, Zakim, unmute me
15:31:37 [HarryH]
dnja?
15:31:40 [chimezie]
... danja said he was pretty close
15:31:45 [danja]
Zakim, unmute me
15:31:45 [Zakim]
danja should no longer be muted
15:32:06 [chimezie]
danja: I can take an action and get around to it
15:32:15 [dbooth]
rrsagent, make logs public
15:32:19 [HarryH]
ACTION: Danja to stabilize and publish hReview RDF mapping as SWIG note and get a proposed profile URI out for it.
15:32:48 [HarryH]
ACTION: HarryH to e-mail Danja Docbook vocabulary mixing.
15:33:13 [DanC]
(the docbook stuff bugs me a little; I wish norm would start with XHTML. but oh well.)
15:33:31 [HarryH]
ACTION: To finish vCard mapping and publish as SWIG note, update profile URI with slightly tweaked GRDDL transform.
15:33:58 [chimezie]
HarryH: WSDL XML->RDF?
15:34:17 [chimezie]
FabienG: SAWSDL -> RDF mapping
15:34:21 [chimezie]
... working on a new version
15:34:31 [HarryH]
RDF Mapping: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-rdf-20051104/
15:34:32 [chimezie]
... releasing it within 1-2 weeks
15:35:01 [HarryH]
Zakim, who's noise?
15:35:01 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, HarryH.
15:35:23 [rreck]
i think that might have been me making noise, im on mute but someone is running a drill here
15:35:29 [dbooth]
zakim, who is making noise?
15:35:41 [Zakim]
dbooth, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Simone (27%), HarryH (36%), DanC (8%), FabienG (49%)
15:35:53 [Simone]
Zakim, mute me
15:35:53 [Zakim]
Simone should now be muted
15:36:16 [chimezie]
HarryH: what about XBRL?
15:36:16 [HarryH]
XBRL?
15:36:26 [chimezie]
DanC: SEC interactive data project
15:36:31 [HarryH]
Kingsley is working on this he said..
15:37:46 [chimezie]
DanC: danbri was interested in music brainz
15:37:48 [HarryH]
MusicBrainz XSLT?
15:37:50 [dbooth]
q+ about WSDL 2.0 mapping to RDF
15:38:08 [dbooth]
q+ to mention WSDL 2.0 mapping to RDF
15:38:16 [HarryH]
ack dbooth
15:38:16 [Zakim]
dbooth, you wanted to mention WSDL 2.0 mapping to RDF
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15:38:46 [chimezie]
dbooth: what is the target ontology?
15:39:01 [HarryH]
RDF Mapping: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-rdf-20051104/?
15:39:08 [HarryH]
Jacek and Bijan's?
15:39:09 [HarryH]
OK.
15:39:12 [Simone]
Simone: I hope musicbrainz for extracting data, Music Ontology or some...
15:39:35 [dbooth]
yes, Jacek and Bijan's
15:40:38 [chimezie]
HarryH: danbri mentioned he or the musicbrainz folks could be invited to our WG telecon
15:41:39 [Simone]
Simone: I can mail he
15:42:09 [chimezie]
danja: status of musicbrainz -> music ontology?
15:42:23 [Simone]
Simone: I don't know status
15:42:36 [Simone]
Simone: we can ask to musicbrainz folks direclty
15:42:56 [dbooth]
zakim, who is on the call?
15:42:56 [Zakim]
On the phone I see john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth, Simone (muted), danja, DanC
15:43:05 [dbooth]
zakim, unmute simone
15:43:05 [Zakim]
Simone should no longer be muted
15:43:10 [HarryH]
ACTION: Simone and Danja both e-mail DanBri about encouraging MusicBrainz to go to straight RDf and then use GRDDL if a backup.
15:43:43 [HarryH]
Any ideas on passing this GRDDL outreach to SWIG?
15:44:22 [danja]
there is a danger of it falling between stools
15:44:52 [dbooth]
zakim, mute simone
15:44:52 [Zakim]
Simone should now be muted
15:45:05 [HarryH]
ACTION: HarryH to e-mail SWEO about our preference for them taking on outreach for GRDDL if our charter is renewed.
15:45:11 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
15:45:11 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "W3C GRDDL Service" taken up
15:45:48 [chimezie]
HarryH: shouldn't we ping them to hook up the OWL validator as well
15:47:20 [HarryH]
ACTION: DanC to e-mail about HTML (OlivierT) and RDF and OWL Validator (EricP) linking to GRDDL.
15:47:30 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
15:47:30 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "GRDDL Wrap-Up" taken up
15:48:03 [chimezie]
HarryH: POWDER and RDFa depend on profile in the head and would be unhappy if it is deleted
15:48:38 [chimezie]
DanC: I can imagine Hixie remains unpersuaded even in the face of objection
15:49:28 [danja]
I suspect the accessibility folks may carry a lot of weight on this
15:49:46 [chimezie]
dbooth: httpRange-14 conversation - there is a question of meaning of frag identifier of HTML mediatype
15:50:21 [chimezie]
... one idea is to have the media-type be updated so the frag identifier can identify something other than a portion of the document and this would depend on the @profile being in there
15:50:27 [chimezie]
DanC: an 'opt out' signal
15:51:04 [DanC]
(this is tag issue fragmentsInXML-28, for reference [IIRC])
15:51:29 [HarryH]
XProc and default XML processing model...
15:51:44 [chimezie]
HarryH: speaking on TAG XProc WG is not answering question on default processing model
15:51:51 [chimezie]
they did not respond to my comment
15:52:17 [HarryH]
http://www.w3.org/2007/10/sw-logos.html
15:52:45 [chimezie]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-comments/2007Jun/0046.html "Using the XInclude component with a default processing model for GRDDL"
15:53:42 [HarryH]
NEXT MEETING: Nov 21st.
15:54:02 [HarryH]
Scribe: Danja
15:54:15 [dbooth]
s/Scribe:/Next Scribe:/
15:54:23 [chimezie]
list participants
15:54:24 [HarryH]
Meeting Adjourned
15:54:32 [chimezie]
Zakim, list participants
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As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.445.aaaa, john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +049238aabb, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth, Simone, danja, DanC
15:55:00 [Zakim]
-john-l
15:55:05 [Zakim]
-FabienG
15:55:07 [HarryH]
RSSAgent, draft minutes
15:55:08 [dbooth]
rrsagent, draft minutes
15:55:08 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth
15:55:11 [Simone]
of course, I'll send a mail to explain the question of RDfa ;)
15:55:48 [rreck]
bye
15:55:50 [Zakim]
-Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:55:52 [Zakim]
-danja
15:55:54 [Zakim]
-rreck
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-DBooth
15:55:57 [Simone]
bye to all :)
15:56:00 [chimezie]
DanC i do
15:56:06 [chimezie]
actually!
15:56:11 [Zakim]
-HarryH
15:56:12 [DanC]
oh. umm...
15:56:15 [Zakim]
-Simone
15:56:28 [chimezie]
should i call back in, or...?"
15:56:34 [chimezie]
okay
15:56:43 [Zakim]
-DanC
15:56:44 [Zakim]
SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +1.216.445.aaaa, john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +049238aabb, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth, Simone, danja, DanC
15:57:17 [dbooth]
i/NEXT MEETING/Topic: Next Meeting/
15:59:24 [john-l]
I'm pretty sure aaaa was me, and I registered it.
16:00:07 [dbooth]
rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:07 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth
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