IRC log of SWEO on 2007-10-17

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Meeting: SWEO Weekly

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+??P17

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Chair: Susie

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zakim, ??P17 is me

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+bengee; got it

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+??P19

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zakim, ??p19 is me

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+MartinD; got it

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Regrets: Pasquale, Ivan, Uldis,

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see Susie_Stephens, +49.895.4.aaaa, LeeF, bengee, MartinD

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zakim, aaaa is Dunja

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+Dunja; got it

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+??P20

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+Karen

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+PaulaP

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just joined

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zakim, ??P26 is danja

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+danja; got it

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zakim, ??P25 is leobard

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+leobard; got it

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yes

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zakim, ??P20 is kidehen

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+kidehen; got it

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zakim, who's on the phone?

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On the phone I see Susie_Stephens, Dunja, LeeF, bengee, MartinD, kidehen, Karen, PaulaP (muted), leobard, danja

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Susie: today: flyer, use cases, info gathering, URI document

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... document collection, enterprise survey

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... F2F next week

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Scribe: LeeF

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topic: Semantic Web flyer

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Susie: Ivan and I had call with Ian Jacobs regarding flyer text

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... I sent revised version to Dunja

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Dunja: Discussed flyer with a colleague; the flyer might promise things that the SemWeb cannot provide yet

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... also existing software can solve some described scenarios

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... e.g. decision support

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... scenario on last page should involve searching the Web, rather than searching a firm's databases

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... job seekers can publish resumes on their own Web sites and can be found automatically

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... misses layer cake :-)

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Susie: Seems to warrant offline discussion

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q+

14:13:20 [PaulaP]

-1 for last page of the SW flyer

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... back apge has scenario comparing traditional and SemWeb approches for identifying candidates for a widget role

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s/apge/page

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... (Susie reads scenario)

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I still think that we should have the SW layer cake on the last page

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ack Karen

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Karen: Maybe the brochure can go on the SWEO F2F agenda?

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... when talking to enterprises, I see a need to be specific vis a vis complex queries

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... that you can't do with traditional technologies

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... Recently several financial services organizations have shown interest in Sem Web - perhaps a good area for an example

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q+

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Susie: older version of scenario text had more detail

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... (reads older scenario)

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ack kidehen

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kidehen: who's driving this use case scenario? there's a fundamental aspect that we're not mentioning

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... the fact that you can canonicalize these queries through a pointer called a URI

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+1 complex queries through URIs

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... we need to show how a single URI can be used as a vehicle to expose data from queries over disparate databases

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... that's the real difference

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Susie: the 2nd page of the brochure talks about the Web of Data

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re. grddl, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Oct/0065.html

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... doesn't mention URIs specifically due to intended audience

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+1 to high-level, -1 to detailed use cases

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kidehen: if we start with a pyramid, start with data sources, then SPARQL... apex is URI

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... executives are able to deal with a URI

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... otherwise people will say they already say they have a dashboard that gives them this info in a dashboard

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LeeF: Don't think that URIs are a selling point to non-technical people

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kidehen: information at your fingertips, not URIs per se

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Susie: Dunja, PaulaP, Ivan and I will have a meeting on enhancing brochure, then we can discuss based on the full contents of the brochure

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topic: Semantic Web Logo

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+1

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Susie: some confusion between previously existing RDF triple logo and new Semantic Web logo

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bengee: people seem to generally like the logo

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... bit of unhappiness on the feeling that the process was not open

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... also unhappiness surrounding the usage policy of the logo

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... if we continue, maybe the process should be more open

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Susie: When we do the work on the pictogram, we should involve other people in the process

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LeeF: URI aided faceted navigation of Information at your fingertips is my point

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LeeF: asks about usage policy

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Susie: Ian Jacobs is reviewing and will mail semantic-web@w3.org

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... Ian feels strongly about using cube together with W3C text

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... policy on linking to W3c SemWeb activity may be loosened for presentations, brochures, etc

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topic: Use Cases

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+1 Susie on Lilly use case!

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-PaulaP

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Susie: I wrote up a use case for Lilly and published it

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... also one published from Cleveland Clinic

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... feedback from Bijan on mailing list asking for technology-specific search facets

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... feedback at Cambridge SW Gathering that it would be good to personalize use cases and case studies

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... pictures, quotations, contact information

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(personalizing sounds a very good idea)

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... at the F2F we'll discuss what information we want so that we can reach out to people for additional information

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topic: information gathering

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leobard: there are bugs to fix to improve the service

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zakim, mute me please

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LeeF should now be muted

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(discusison of Internet Explorer interactions with info gathering service)

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leobard: no other feedback

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topic: URI document

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Susie: TAG is still discussing URIs

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leobard: been in communication with TAG, looked into SWD

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... hoping for specific feedback

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... the process might be sped up if we find another editor (Richard C is at DERI for a while)

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MartinD: I can help, but not before November

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topic: linking open data project

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kidehen: opencyc is latest addition

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topic: knowee

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bengee: coming along, prototype is up but not announced

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... determined to make announcement todya

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s/todya/today

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... will post announcement and put in a blog at knowee.org

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... also knowee.net where a reference implementation will be available with some testing accounts

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topic: preferred document collection

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danja: I've put together scripts to grab things from del.icio.us et al

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... easy to grab resources

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... not as easy to figure out what should be included and what shouldn't

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... grab resources, but into revyu.com to be rated

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s/but into/put into

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Susie: would like to discuss at F2F

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danja: will try to gather more to be ready for F2F, though I won't be at F2F myself

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topic: enterprise survey

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Karen: some more progress to get it ready for Sept Semantic Technologies thing which was canceled

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... will try to finish it off to be shown next week

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topic: F2F meeting

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Susie: we have a video conference room at MIT

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we start at 08:30

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http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Meetings/2007-10-24_Conference_Call

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(discussion of meeting bfeore meeting to setup video call)

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leobard, I'll arrive at about 3pm (local time)

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(Susie discusses agenda)

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... will be dinner at Cambridge Brewing Company overlapping with monthly Cambridge SW Gathering and with RDF/RDB workshop attendee

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s

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Dunja will dial in as well

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too far :(

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Susie: AOB?

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adjourned

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-SWEO-minutes.html LeeF

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rrsagent, make logs world

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bye

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-kidehen

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-Karen

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-Susie_Stephens

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-MartinD

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-Dunja

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-danja

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-bengee

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-leobard

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Attendees were Susie_Stephens, +49.895.4.aaaa, LeeF, bengee, MartinD, Dunja, Karen, PaulaP, danja, leobard, kidehen

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Are you still there Lee?

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not on the phone

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but i am here

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Susie?

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Can I quickly call you?

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sure

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617 566 8578

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