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14:02:00 <LeeF> Meeting: SWEO Weekly
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14:02:04 <LeeF> Chair: Susie
14:02:14 <bengee> zakim, ??P17 is me
14:02:14 <Zakim> +bengee; got it
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14:02:24 <MartinD> zakim, ??p19 is me
14:02:24 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
14:02:44 <LeeF> Regrets: Pasquale, Ivan, Uldis, 
14:02:52 <Susie> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see Susie_Stephens, +49.895.4.aaaa, LeeF, bengee, MartinD
14:03:25 <LeeF> zakim, aaaa is Dunja
14:03:25 <Zakim> +Dunja; got it
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14:06:18 <LeeF> zakim, ??P26 is danja
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14:06:26 <LeeF> zakim, ??P25 is leobard
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14:06:46 <kidehen> yes
14:06:52 <LeeF> zakim, ??P20 is kidehen
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14:07:17 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:07:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Susie_Stephens, Dunja, LeeF, bengee, MartinD, kidehen, Karen, PaulaP (muted), leobard, danja
14:07:33 <LeeF> Susie: today: flyer, use cases, info gathering, URI document
14:07:52 <LeeF> ... document collection, enterprise survey
14:07:56 <LeeF> ... F2F next week
14:08:37 <LeeF> Scribe: LeeF
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14:08:50 <LeeF> topic: Semantic Web flyer
14:09:06 <LeeF> Susie: Ivan and I had call with Ian Jacobs regarding flyer text
14:09:24 <LeeF> ... I sent revised version to Dunja
14:10:26 <LeeF> Dunja: Discussed flyer with a colleague; the flyer might promise things that the SemWeb cannot provide yet
14:10:35 <LeeF> ... also existing software can solve some described scenarios
14:10:39 <LeeF> ... e.g. decision support
14:11:27 <LeeF> ... scenario on last page should involve searching the Web, rather than searching a firm's databases
14:11:55 <LeeF> ... job seekers can publish resumes on their own Web sites and can be found automatically
14:12:03 <LeeF> ... misses layer cake :-)
14:12:33 <LeeF> Susie: Seems to warrant offline discussion
14:12:44 <Karen> q+
14:13:20 <PaulaP> -1 for last page of the SW flyer
14:13:46 <LeeF> ... back apge has scenario comparing traditional and SemWeb approches for identifying candidates for a widget role
14:13:51 <LeeF> s/apge/page
14:14:34 <LeeF> ... (Susie reads scenario)
14:15:02 <PaulaP> I still think that we should have the SW layer cake on the last page
14:15:20 <LeeF> ack Karen
14:15:41 <LeeF> Karen: Maybe the brochure can go on the SWEO F2F agenda? 
14:16:03 <LeeF> ... when talking to enterprises, I see a need to be specific vis a vis complex queries
14:16:09 <LeeF> ... that you can't do with traditional technologies
14:17:01 <LeeF> ... Recently several financial services organizations have shown interest in Sem Web - perhaps a good area for an example
14:17:09 <kidehen> q+
14:17:31 <LeeF> Susie: older version of scenario text had more detail
14:17:43 <LeeF> ... (reads older scenario)
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14:18:57 <LeeF> ack kidehen
14:19:18 <LeeF> kidehen: who's driving this use case scenario? there's a fundamental aspect that we're not mentioning
14:19:30 <LeeF> ... the fact that you can canonicalize these queries through a pointer called a URI
14:19:33 <Karen> +1 complex queries through URIs
14:19:58 <LeeF> ... we need to show how a single URI can be used as a vehicle to expose data from queries over disparate databases
14:20:05 <LeeF> ... that's the real difference
14:20:27 <LeeF> Susie: the 2nd page of the brochure talks about the Web of Data
14:20:30 <danja> re. grddl, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Oct/0065.html
14:20:41 <LeeF> ... doesn't mention URIs specifically due to intended audience
14:20:54 <PaulaP> +1 to high-level, -1 to detailed use cases
14:21:15 <LeeF> kidehen: if we start with a pyramid, start with data sources, then SPARQL... apex is URI
14:21:25 <LeeF> ... executives are able to deal with a URI
14:21:54 <LeeF> ... otherwise people will say they already say they have a dashboard that gives them this info in a dashboard
14:22:34 <LeeF> LeeF: Don't think that URIs are a selling point to non-technical people
14:22:44 <LeeF> kidehen: information at your fingertips, not URIs per se
14:23:17 <LeeF> Susie: Dunja, PaulaP, Ivan and I will have a meeting on enhancing brochure, then we can discuss based on the full contents of the brochure
14:23:23 <LeeF> topic: Semantic Web Logo
14:23:25 <Dunja> +1
14:23:54 <LeeF> Susie: some confusion between previously existing RDF triple logo and new Semantic Web logo
14:24:53 <LeeF> bengee: people seem to generally like the logo
14:25:05 <LeeF> ... bit of unhappiness on the feeling that the process was not open
14:25:15 <LeeF> ... also unhappiness surrounding the usage policy of the logo
14:25:32 <LeeF> ... if we continue, maybe the process should be more open
14:26:38 <LeeF> Susie: When we do the work on the pictogram, we should involve other people in the process
14:26:57 <kidehen> LeeF: URI aided faceted navigation of Information at your fingertips is my point
14:28:27 <LeeF> LeeF: asks about usage policy
14:29:00 <LeeF> Susie: Ian Jacobs is reviewing and will mail semantic-web@w3.org
14:29:12 <LeeF> ... Ian feels strongly about using cube together with W3C text
14:29:37 <LeeF> ... policy on linking to W3c SemWeb activity may be loosened for presentations, brochures, etc
14:29:40 <LeeF> topic: Use Cases
14:29:49 <Karen> +1 Susie on Lilly use case!
14:29:51 <Zakim> -PaulaP
14:29:55 <LeeF> Susie: I wrote up a use case for Lilly and published it
14:30:01 <LeeF> ... also one published from Cleveland Clinic
14:30:18 <LeeF> ... feedback from Bijan on mailing list asking for technology-specific search facets
14:30:43 <LeeF> ... feedback at Cambridge SW Gathering that it would be good to personalize use cases and case studies
14:30:52 <LeeF> ... pictures, quotations, contact information
14:31:28 <danja> (personalizing sounds a very good idea)
14:31:32 <LeeF> ... at the F2F we'll discuss what information we want so that we can reach out to people for additional information
14:31:42 <LeeF> topic: information gathering
14:32:18 <LeeF> leobard: there are bugs to fix to improve the service
14:33:00 <LeeF> zakim, mute me please
14:33:00 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted
14:33:16 <LeeF> (discusison of Internet Explorer interactions with info gathering service)
14:34:49 <LeeF> leobard: no other feedback
14:34:52 <LeeF> topic: URI document
14:34:59 <LeeF> Susie: TAG is still discussing URIs
14:35:46 <LeeF> leobard: been in communication with TAG, looked into SWD 
14:36:07 <LeeF> ... hoping for specific feedback
14:39:05 <LeeF> ... the process might be sped up if we find another editor (Richard C is at DERI for a while)
14:39:10 <LeeF> MartinD: I can help, but not before November
14:40:07 <LeeF> topic: linking open data project
14:40:14 <LeeF> kidehen: opencyc is latest addition
14:40:24 <LeeF> topic: knowee
14:40:38 <LeeF> bengee: coming along, prototype is up but not announced
14:40:56 <LeeF> ... determined to make announcement todya
14:41:00 <LeeF> s/todya/today
14:41:13 <LeeF> ... will post announcement and put in a blog at knowee.org 
14:41:40 <LeeF> ... also knowee.net where a reference implementation will be available with some testing accounts 
14:42:06 <LeeF> topic: preferred document collection
14:42:22 <LeeF> danja: I've put together scripts to grab things from del.icio.us et al
14:42:25 <LeeF> ... easy to grab resources
14:42:32 <LeeF> ... not as easy to figure out what should be included and what shouldn't
14:43:01 <LeeF> ... grab resources, but into revyu.com to be rated
14:43:21 <LeeF> s/but into/put into
14:45:43 <LeeF> Susie: would like to discuss at F2F
14:46:01 <LeeF> danja: will try to gather more to be ready for F2F, though I won't be at F2F myself
14:46:18 <LeeF> topic: enterprise survey
14:46:36 <LeeF> Karen: some more progress to get it ready for Sept Semantic Technologies thing which was canceled
14:46:42 <LeeF> ... will try to finish it off to be shown next week
14:47:43 <LeeF> topic: F2F meeting
14:48:00 <LeeF> Susie: we have a video conference room at MIT
14:48:47 <leobard> we start at 08:30
14:49:08 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Meetings/2007-10-24_Conference_Call
14:49:17 <LeeF> (discussion of meeting bfeore meeting to setup video call)
14:50:22 <bengee> leobard, I'll arrive at about 3pm (local time)
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14:53:07 <LeeF_> (Susie discusses agenda)
14:54:03 <LeeF_> ... will be dinner at Cambridge Brewing Company overlapping with monthly Cambridge SW Gathering and with RDF/RDB workshop attendee
14:54:03 <LeeF_> s
14:54:29 <Dunja> Dunja will dial in as well
14:55:50 <Dunja> too far :(
14:56:36 <LeeF> Susie: AOB?
14:56:48 <LeeF> adjourned
14:57:02 <LeeF> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:57:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-SWEO-minutes.html LeeF
14:57:04 <LeeF> rrsagent, make logs world
14:57:15 <Dunja> bye
14:57:19 <Zakim> -kidehen
14:57:20 <Zakim> -Karen
14:57:22 <Zakim> -Susie_Stephens
14:57:23 <Zakim> -MartinD
14:57:25 <Zakim> -Dunja
14:57:26 <Zakim> -danja
14:57:27 <Zakim> -bengee
14:57:29 <Zakim> -leobard
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14:57:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Susie_Stephens, +49.895.4.aaaa, LeeF, bengee, MartinD, Dunja, Karen, PaulaP, danja, leobard, kidehen
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14:58:27 <Susie> Are you still there Lee?
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14:59:26 <LeeF> not on the phone
14:59:28 <LeeF> but i am here
15:00:51 <LeeF> Susie?
15:01:13 <Susie> Can I quickly call you?
15:02:02 <LeeF> sure
15:02:05 <LeeF> 617 566 8578
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