IRC log of tsdtf on 2007-10-16
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc
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- 12:29:23 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be TSD
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- ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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- meeting: TSD TF
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- chair: CarlosV, Chrisptophe
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- regrets: Reinhard
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- scribe: Shadi
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0001.html
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- agenda+ Reviewing test samples for current working draft
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- agenda+ Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?
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- agenda+ Test case management system
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- agenda+ User friendly metadata view
- 12:31:24 [Zakim]
- WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
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- +Drew_LaHart
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- +Shadi
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- +Vangelis_Vlachogiannis
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
- 12:36:04 [shadi]
- agenda?
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- +Drew
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- - +1.410.757.aaaa
- 12:37:22 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Shadi, Vangelis_Vlachogiannis, +032163aabb, +1.703.831.aacc
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- zakim, +1.703 is Drew
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- +Drew; got it
- 12:37:43 [shadi]
- zakim, aabb is really Christophe
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- +Christophe; got it
- 12:37:45 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 12:37:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Shadi, Vangelis_Vlachogiannis, Christophe, Drew
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Reviewing test samples for current working draft" taken up [from shadi]
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- CS: currently ~70 test samples in the repository, all contributed by BenToWeb
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- ...going through the Review Process
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/process
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- ...we've divided these into batches for (non-BenToWeb) participants to review
- 12:40:10 [CarlosV]
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- http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList
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- CS: some of the samples are ready for review
- 12:40:48 [Drew]
- ok
- 12:40:53 [Zakim]
- -Vangelis_Vlachogiannis
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- ...however, some are missing the mapping to WCAG 2.0 techniques/failures
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- +CarlosV
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- Topic: Introducing Drew LaHart
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- DLH: work for IBM ability center
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- ...participating in WCAG WG but came late
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- ...want to contribute to this task force
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- CS: thanks for joining us
- 12:42:52 [Vangelis]
- \me problems with phone here :(.. following from irc
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- DLH: how are the tests written? are they XML?
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- CS: the XML files are the metadata, they reference the actual test files
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- ...the metadata describe several other things such as expected result etc
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL
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- +Tim_Boland
- 12:48:01 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0002.html
- 12:49:31 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/att-0002/sc1.2.1_l1_001.20071015.html
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/metadata/sc1.2.1_l1_001.xml
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- - <files>
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- <file xlink:href="../testfiles/sc1.2.1_l1_001.html" />
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- </files>
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- CS: working on an HTML view to visualize the XML data
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- DLH: what WCAG 2.0 version are we working from?
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- CS: from the last call working draft of 2006
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- SAZ: part of the review is to look out for that
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Reviewing test samples for current working draft" taken up [from shadi]
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- CS: if not technique/failure mapping is in the XML, then its status should be marked as "deprecated"
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- DLH: i'd volunteer if i can help
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- action: SAZ set up CVS account for Drew
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL
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- action: CS send description of action item to DLH
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- DLH: so my action is to go through the XML and check the reference to the techniques?
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- <technique id="F8" xlink:href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20070517/#F8" />
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- DLH: to the 2006 or 2007 draft?
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- CS: the 2007 draft
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- CS: we still need reviewing of the test samples
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- http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList#
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- SAZ: there was an issue with these?
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- CS: some had "cannot tell" as output, other had no mapping
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- ...should be fixed now
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- action: SAZ will review all test samples marked "Update 03"
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- s/marked "Update 03"/marked "reviewer 03"
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- action: TB continue working on "reviewer 01" tests
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- action: CV check with CI on taking a batch too
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- zakim, close agendum 1
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- agendum 1, Reviewing test samples for current working draft, closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs? [from shadi]
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?" taken up [from shadi]
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- CS: applies to the ID attribute in the metadata files, as well as the file names
- 13:14:33 [shadi]
- ...wanted to discuss with MC and SAZ, both had different opinions
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- SAZ: not opposed, just concerned about the amount of work vs benefit
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- ...but better to do now than later
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- zakim, close agendum 2
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- agendum 2, Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?, closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Test case management system [from shadi]
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Test case management system" taken up [from shadi]
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- CS: right now we used the wiki to manage the tests
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- ...working for current small amount of tests
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- ...need to think about growth and scalability
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- CS: was looking into Testopia
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- SAZ: MWI folks are developing hand-grown scripts and tools
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- ...always the question of developing or adopting quirks
- 13:21:12 [shadi]
- ...systems team could install it for us, but we will need to configure and maintain it
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- CS: requires perl, who knows perl?
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- SAZ: think we may need to stick to wiki until contribution or critical mass to work on something
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 4. "User friendly metadata view" taken up [from shadi]
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- CS: send example, SAZ sent comments
- 13:24:53 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/att-0003/temp.html
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- CS: will work on SAZ comments, and send updated version
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- action: CS send updated version of the HTML view
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- action: all review HTML view once CS sends it out
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- next call on tuesday 30 october
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- -Tim_Boland
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- -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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- ... cause hardship."
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- -Shadi
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- -Drew
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- -Christophe
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- WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were Drew_LaHart, Shadi, Vangelis_Vlachogiannis, Christophe_Strobbe, Drew, Christophe, CarlosV, Tim_Boland
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, bye
- 13:43:47 [RRSAgent]
- I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: SAZ set up CVS account for Drew [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-00-31
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- ACTION: CS send description of action item to DLH [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-02-58
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- ACTION: SAZ will review all test samples marked "Update 03" [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-09-30
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- ACTION: TB continue working on "reviewer 01" tests [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-11-29
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- ACTION: CV check with CI on taking a batch too [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-12-41
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- ACTION: CS send updated version of the HTML view [6]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-26-39
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- ACTION: all review HTML view once CS sends it out [7]
- 13:43:47 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-26-56