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15:00:56 <vipul> zakim, this is BIONT
15:00:56 <Zakim> vipul, I see SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be BIONT".
15:01:12 <vipul> zakim, this is HCLS
15:01:12 <Zakim> vipul, I see SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be HCLS".
15:01:48 <vipul> zakim, this is BIONT
15:01:48 <Zakim> ok, vipul; that matches SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
15:01:58 <vipul> Zakim, who's on?
15:01:58 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, vipul.
15:02:05 <vipul> Zakim, who's on the call?
15:02:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap
15:02:41 <Zakim> + +1.317.435.aaaa
15:03:26 <vipul> Zakim, aaaa is Susie_Stephens
15:03:26 <Zakim> +Susie_Stephens; got it
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15:04:21 <Zakim> +Alan
15:04:35 <Zakim> + +1.813.396.aabb
15:04:47 <vipul> Zakim, this is aabb
15:04:47 <Zakim> sorry, vipul, I do not see a conference named 'aabb' in progress or scheduled at this time
15:04:58 <vipul> Zakim aabb is Rachel_Richesson
15:05:15 <Zakim> + +1.781.316.aacc
15:05:22 <vipul> Zakim, aabb is Rachel_Richesson
15:05:22 <Zakim> +Rachel_Richesson; got it
15:05:31 <vipul> Zakim, aacc is Dan_Corwin
15:05:31 <Zakim> +Dan_Corwin; got it
15:05:53 <vipul> Zakim, who's on the call?
15:05:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Susie_Stephens, Alan, Rachel_Richesson, Dan_Corwin
15:06:29 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:06:46 <vipul> Zakim, [IBM] is Kavitha
15:06:46 <Zakim> +Kavitha; got it
15:07:02 <vipul> Zakim, who's on the call?
15:07:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Susie_Stephens, Alan, Rachel_Richesson, Dan_Corwin, Kavitha
15:09:51 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/BIONTDSEDCM?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=FunctionalRequirements.xls
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15:11:26 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/BIONTDSEDCM?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=HIMSS-Clinical-Research-EHR-Integration.pdf
15:11:46 <alanr> taking up 2.   Functional Requirements distillation from Rachel’s Use Cases: Vipul
15:12:08 <alanr> zakim, who is on the call?
15:12:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Susie_Stephens, Alan, Rachel_Richesson, Dan_Corwin, Kavitha
15:12:33 <alanr> we are reviewing functional requirement spreadsheet
15:13:14 <alanr> First sheet is slide 11 from HIMSS document
15:13:15 <Zakim> + +1.801.736.aadd
15:13:45 <alanr> zakim, aadd is Yan
15:13:45 <Zakim> +Yan; got it
15:15:52 <alanr> rules will come when looking at protocol specification
15:16:04 <alanr> Data content tab:
15:16:30 <alanr> vipul went through rachel's set of protocols. comments that they cover a wide space
15:17:30 <alanr> in sheet listed all kinds of information in the protocols
15:19:54 <alanr> second list are things we are interested in from the medical history
15:21:48 <alanr> medical conditions are mixture of expressions (lab result x > 4.5) and plain terms (Bradycardia)
15:22:42 <Zakim> -Alan
15:23:00 <alanr> line dropped 
15:23:30 <Zakim> +Alan
15:23:51 <alanr> missed last discussion - someone else say what happened?
15:27:35 <alanr> a primitive concept is one that can only be determined by direct observation
15:27:53 <alanr> Rachel mentions SNOMED has a definition of primitive
15:29:05 <alanr> SNOMED CT concepts are either primitive or fully defined. A concept
15:29:14 <alanr> is primitive when its modeling (attributes and parents) does not fully
15:29:14 <alanr> express its meaning.
15:29:14 <alanr> Fully defined concepts can be differentiated from their parent and
15:29:14 <alanr> sibling concepts by virtue of their relationships. Primitive concepts do
15:29:14 <alanr> not have the unique relationships needed to distinguish them from
15:29:15 <alanr> their parent or sibling concepts
15:29:17 <alanr> that the one, rachel?
15:29:23 <alanr> oops rachel not on irc
15:29:53 <alanr> 4th list is lab results
15:30:27 <alanr> t(8;21)(q22;q22).  is a lab? or a condition?
15:30:47 <alanr> genetic transposition
15:31:45 <alanr> human variation sometimes said to be 1%
15:32:53 <alanr> lab: give a sample, get a result
15:33:02 <alanr> signs: more subjective
15:35:19 <alanr> Polyadenopathy = condition
15:38:28 <alanr> dosage of medication doesn't seem to play in criteria, as opposed to when in medical setting
15:42:20 <alanr> need to check on "incarcerated"
15:47:53 <alanr> Action: yan: To review the list to see which terms are in her system
15:48:20 <alanr> Action: Alan/Vipul to review BRIDG for these
15:48:55 <alanr> Yan= DCM
15:49:30 <alanr> Action: Kersten, Bo, Landen, Rachel for SDTM
15:53:13 <alanr> review mapping requirements
15:53:21 <alanr> q+
15:53:59 <alanr> relations between intervals usually determines represenation
15:54:40 <alanr> Susie: Lilly has their own terminology. Could possibly be convinced to open it
15:55:04 <alanr> Vipul: At F2F want to talk about what pharmas can do to open this up
15:55:24 <alanr> Vipul: F2F convince health care to give us 40-50 records
15:58:04 <alanr> Mapping is more than equality assignment
16:01:03 <Susie> Got to go...
16:01:09 <Zakim> -Susie_Stephens
16:01:24 <alanr> Two issues with mapping - lack of definitions/ disagreement of definition with usage
16:01:45 <alanr> units and data types
16:04:17 <Zakim> -Alan
16:04:18 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
16:04:20 <Zakim> -Yan
16:04:22 <Zakim> -Kavitha
16:04:23 <Zakim> -Rachel_Richesson
16:04:24 <Zakim> -Dan_Corwin
16:04:25 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended
16:04:26 <Zakim> Attendees were Vipul_Kashyap, +1.317.435.aaaa, Susie_Stephens, Alan, +1.813.396.aabb, +1.781.316.aacc, Rachel_Richesson, Dan_Corwin, Kavitha, +1.801.736.aadd, Yan
16:04:34 <vipul> rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-hcls-minutes.html vipul
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