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14:25:14 <LeeF> zakim, this will be dawg
14:25:14 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:25:19 <LeeF> Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly
14:25:29 <LeeF> Regrets: Souri, iv_an_ru
14:25:33 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:25:49 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007OctDec/0043.html
14:25:53 <LeeF> LeeF has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007OctDec/0043.html
14:26:11 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to draft text recognizing the ambiguity [DONE]
14:26:23 <LeeF> ACTION: Chimezie to propose text to clarify that not all graphs in the dataset need to be disjoint/distinct [DONE]
14:26:53 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to examine 7 tests affected by change in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0177.html in view of implementors' experiences [DONE]
14:27:00 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to fix approval on dataset and graph tests [DONE]
14:27:08 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to adapt impl report to include syntax tests [DONE]
14:27:30 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [DROPPED]
14:27:42 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to investigate PR mechanics, put together draft transition request [CONTINUES]
14:28:22 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started
14:28:29 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:30:14 <LeeF> agenda + duplicates in CONSTRUCT serialization - add editorial text somewhere?
14:30:21 <LeeF> agenda + larification text for a graph URI appearing twice in the dataset
14:30:27 <LeeF> agenda + refining the algorithm in section 12.2.1
14:30:33 <LeeF> agenda + /2007/SPARQL/ namespace - what goes there and what needs to be done?
14:30:45 <LeeF> agenda + PR materials 
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14:33:17 <Zakim> +??P0
14:33:22 <AndyS> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:33:22 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:33:25 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
14:33:43 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-mobile
14:33:43 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:33:45 <Zakim> +EricP
14:34:30 <LeeF> agenda ?
14:34:44 <LeeF> Scribe: chimezie
14:34:57 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35463/prq337/results results of WBS survey on PR
14:35:29 <chimezie> LeeF: the overall response is unanimous agreement to go forward
14:35:43 <chimezie> LeeF: there is a PR blackout until after the tech plenary
14:35:52 <chimezie> LeeF: one more week before sending out transition request
14:36:00 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
14:36:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "duplicates in CONSTRUCT serialization - add editorial text somewhere?" taken up [from LeeF]
14:36:24 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007OctDec/0028.html Every CONSTRUCT is DISTINCT ?
14:36:29 <chimezie> LeeF: this was raised by Bijan
14:37:13 <chimezie> LeeF: summary - Bijan's interpretation was that CONSTRUCT was not allowed to include duplicate triples - bad for implementations.  
14:37:46 <chimezie> LeeF: follow-up interpretation was to directly take bindings and flesh out the CONSTRUCT template
14:38:27 <chimezie> LeeF: the query language spec doesn't make a stance on this - a serialization of the result may or may not have dupes
14:38:38 <chimezie> LeeF: Bijan provided example text
14:38:54 <chimezie> LeeF: I didn't think it was a query language issue
14:39:20 <chimezie> AndyS: A note doesn't belong in the query language specification - bad place for it
14:39:59 <chimezie> AndyS: this has been brought up before for the same implementation
14:40:25 <chimezie> AndyS: Bijan didn't raise the issue but was 'spec browsing' when he came across the 'issue'
14:40:52 <chimezie> AndyS: don't want to talk about what other serializations do
14:41:35 <chimezie> ericP: mildly opposed - not our place to dictate serialization of RDF graph
14:42:06 <chimezie> ericP: might cause more confusion than otherwise
14:42:43 <chimezie> LeeF: CONSTRUCT is defined WRT set union (implicit distinct)
14:43:04 <chimezie> AndyS: set union or rdf merge?
14:44:56 <chimezie> So it's set UNION WRT terms
14:44:56 <ericP> chimezie: so it's set-union WRT the label?
14:45:15 <ericP> AndyS: it's set-union WRT the nodes
14:45:54 <LeeF> suggested text
14:45:56 <LeeF> """
14:45:56 <LeeF> "Please note that due to serialization freedom, the serialized  
14:45:56 <LeeF> results may contain, syntactically, duplicate triples. There is no  
14:45:56 <LeeF> way in SPARQL to force the endpoint to return a syntactically  
14:45:56 <LeeF> duplicate free CONSTRUCTed graph."
14:45:58 <LeeF> """
14:46:48 <chimezie> LeeF: inclined to leave it alone but discuss it with protocol editor (Elias)
14:47:08 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
14:47:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:47:09 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:47:10 <Zakim> 2. larification text for a graph URI appearing twice in the dataset [from LeeF]
14:47:11 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
14:47:11 <Zakim> agendum 2. "larification text for a graph URI appearing twice in the dataset" taken up [from LeeF]
14:48:09 <LeeF> text at the end of 8.2.3
14:48:10 <LeeF> """
14:48:11 <LeeF> The RDF Dataset for this query contains a default graph and two named graphs. The GRAPH keyword is described below.
14:48:11 <LeeF> The actions required to construct the dataset are not determined by the dataset description alone. If an IRI is given twice in an dataset description, either by using two FROM clauses, or a FROM clause and a FROM NAMED clause, then it does not assume that exactly one or exactly two attempts are made to obtain an RDF graph associated with the IRI. Therefore, no assumptions can be made about blank node identity in triples obtained from the two occurrences in the d
14:48:13 <LeeF> """
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14:52:22 <chimezie> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005AprJun/0301.html Re: Name of a graph? and FROM and FROM NAMED
14:52:23 <chimezie> [[
14:52:35 <chimezie> This is somewhat misleading, w.r.t.
14:52:35 <chimezie> web architecture, which says that <alice> identifies
14:52:35 <chimezie> a resource that has a representation that is a graph.
14:52:35 <chimezie> The query might be run twice and get two different answers
14:52:35 <chimezie> because the state of the <alice> resource changed; i.e.
14:52:36 <chimezie> it was represented by a different graph.
14:52:38 <chimezie> ]]
15:04:39 <Zakim> -EricP
15:04:46 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-cw
15:04:46 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:04:47 <Zakim> +EricP
15:05:18 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
15:05:18 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:05:19 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:05:20 <Zakim> 3. refining the algorithm in section 12.2.1 [from LeeF]
15:05:42 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007OctDec/0044.html converting graph patterns algorithm
15:06:30 <chimezie> LeeF: clarification of steps to form an algebra expression from a query string
15:06:37 <chimezie> ... WRT nested GGPs
15:07:16 <chimezie> ... clarification helps, doesn't change semantics.  As a chair, I'm concerned about substantial change at the last moment. 
15:08:40 <chimezie> LeeF: second alternative: have ericP and chimezie take an additional look at suggested changes by end of tommorow
15:13:30 <LeeF> ACTION: EricP to review reworked text for 12.2.1 Converting Graph Patterns and send comments by end of day Tuesday
15:13:36 <LeeF> ACTION: Chimezie to review reworked text for 12.2.1 Converting Graph Patterns and send comments by end of day Wednesday
15:14:20 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/rq25.html#convertGraphPattern 12.2.1 Converting Graph Patterns (editor's draft text)
15:14:25 <LeeF> ACTION: EricP to review reworked text for 12.2.1 Converting Graph Patterns and send comments by end of day Wednesday
15:14:28 <LeeF> action -8
15:14:40 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
15:14:40 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, LeeF
15:14:46 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
15:14:46 <Zakim> agendum 3. "refining the algorithm in section 12.2.1" taken up [from LeeF]
15:14:47 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
15:14:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:14:49 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:14:50 <Zakim> 4. /2007/SPARQL/ namespace - what goes there and what needs to be done? [from LeeF]
15:14:56 <LeeF> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:14:56 <Zakim> agendum 5. "PR materials" taken up [from LeeF]
15:15:50 <chimezie> LeeF: if we are okay with pending changes, we should reply to the triggering comment (Frank?)
15:16:02 <chimezie> ... to complete disposition of comments
15:16:21 <chimezie> ... will send out 3 URLs for disposition of comments for the 3 specifications
15:17:58 <chimezie> LeeF: we might want to make a document with changelog highlights
15:18:52 <chimezie> LeeF: had an action to look at 7 tests (identified by Andy) effected by how FILTERs are introduced to LeftJoin expression
15:19:18 <chimezie> ... no set of Earl results were effected by incorrect interpretation
15:20:15 <chimezie> LeeF: Pellet report?
15:20:44 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/implementations SPARQL Implementation Coverage Report
15:21:00 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/impl-report-protocol protocol impl report
15:21:41 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/impl-report-xml query results XML format impl report
15:22:07 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/doc-ql-cr DoC for query language
15:22:34 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/doc-protocol-cr DoC for protocol
15:22:44 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/doc-xml-cr DoC for XML
15:23:01 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/prq819 transition request (very incomplete)
15:24:18 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
15:24:18 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
15:24:19 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:24:20 <Zakim> 4. /2007/SPARQL/ namespace - what goes there and what needs to be done? [from LeeF]
15:24:22 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
15:24:22 <Zakim> agendum 4. "/2007/SPARQL/ namespace - what goes there and what needs to be done?" taken up [from LeeF]
15:25:31 <chimezie> ericP: was granted space for that namespace.  what documents do we put there?
15:25:38 <chimezie> ... all the WSDL/XSD/RELAXNG
15:25:57 <chimezie> LeeF: nice to have a canonical URL 'base'
15:26:18 <chimezie> ... one negative (don't personally care about).  There are versions of these documents at persistent locations which would become deprecated
15:26:47 <chimezie> ericP: clarity is worth deprecating these locations
15:27:16 <chimezie> AndyS: no opinion
15:27:47 <chimezie> ericP: we can put stuff there now
15:27:48 <ericP> chimezie: i agree that having a common location outweighs the cost of changing implementaitons
15:28:55 <chimezie> ericP: would feel comfy with a WG decision about this
15:29:46 <chimezie> ericP: after a month, these locations will be permanent
15:30:21 <chimezie> ericP: if we find bugs at a latter point we follow a process similar to teh specs: errata ,etc..
15:30:46 <LeeF> PROPOSED: All SPARQL WSDLs, XSDs, and Relax NGs live in /2007/SPARQL, adjust spec pointers appropriately
15:31:18 <chimezie> LeeF: are we changing target namespace in addition to locations
15:32:20 <chimezie> consider namespace-8 (TAG issue) if we don't use the same location
15:32:53 <LeeF> ACTION: EricP to draft documents into /2007/SPARQL with namespace changes etc. for review next week
15:33:20 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:33:20 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
15:33:21 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:33:22 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
15:33:24 <LeeF> adjourned
15:33:32 <chimezie> rrsagent, set logs world
15:33:41 <chimezie> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:33:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-minutes.html chimezie
15:33:51 <chimezie> no problem
15:38:59 <chimezie> whoops, doesn't show participants
15:39:36 <LeeF> Present: chimezie, LeeF, ericP, AndyS
15:39:57 <chimezie> who is here?
15:40:05 <chimezie> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:40:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-minutes.html chimezie
15:40:33 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:40:36 <AndyS> AndyS has left #dawg
15:43:05 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:43:14 <Zakim> -EricP
15:43:15 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
15:43:16 <Zakim> Attendees were LeeF, AndyS, Chimezie_Ogbuji, EricP
16:02:33 <LeeF> zakim, bye
16:02:33 <Zakim> Zakim has left #dawg
16:15:44 <LeeF> RRSAgent, bye
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-actions.rdf :
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS to draft text recognizing the ambiguity [DONE] [1]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T14-26-11
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chimezie to propose text to clarify that not all graphs in the dataset need to be disjoint/distinct [DONE] [2]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T14-26-23
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to examine 7 tests affected by change in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0177.html in view of implementors' experiences [DONE] [3]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T14-26-53
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to fix approval on dataset and graph tests [DONE] [4]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T14-27-00
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to adapt impl report to include syntax tests [DONE] [5]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T14-27-08
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [DROPPED] [6]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T14-27-30
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to investigate PR mechanics, put together draft transition request [CONTINUES] [7]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T14-27-42
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chimezie to review reworked text for 12.2.1 Converting Graph Patterns and send comments by end of day Wednesday [9]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T15-13-36
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to review reworked text for 12.2.1 Converting Graph Patterns and send comments by end of day Wednesday [10]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T15-14-25
16:15:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricP to draft documents into /2007/SPARQL with namespace changes etc. for review next week [11]
16:15:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-dawg-irc#T15-32-53