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14:03:20 <DKA> trackbot-ng, just f-ing do it.
14:03:21 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs member
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14:03:24 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
14:03:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng, I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM already started
14:03:26 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:03:28 <trackbot-ng> Date: 11 October 2007
14:03:31 <Zakim> +Ignacio_Marin
14:03:38 <jo> rrsagent, make logs public
14:03:42 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:03:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, Kai_Dietrich, Ignacio_Marin
14:03:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jo, nacho, DKA, matt, trackbot-ng
14:03:55 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
14:03:55 <Zakim> ok, matt; the call is being made
14:03:59 <Zakim> +Matt
14:05:07 <DKA> jo, are you going to join us on the call?
14:05:07 <Kai> Kai has joined #bpwg
14:05:09 <Zakim> +Bryan
14:05:12 <Bryan> Bryan has joined #bpwg
14:05:17 <matt> zakim, who is here?
14:05:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, Kai_Dietrich, Ignacio_Marin, Matt, Bryan
14:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bryan, Kai, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, nacho, DKA, matt, trackbot-ng
14:05:27 <Zakim> +Shah
14:05:51 <Kai> Zakim, Kai_Dietrich is Kai
14:05:51 <Zakim> +Kai; got it
14:06:20 <nacho> zakim Ignacio_Marin is me
14:06:31 <nacho> zakim, Ignacio_Marin is me
14:06:31 <Zakim> +nacho; got it
14:06:56 <SeanPatterson> SeanPatterson has joined #bpwg
14:07:45 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:07:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, Kai, nacho, Matt, Bryan, Shah
14:07:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see SeanPatterson, Bryan, Kai, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, nacho, DKA, matt, trackbot-ng
14:07:54 <matt> Scribe: Matt
14:08:01 <matt> ScribeNick: Matt
14:08:04 <jo> zakim, code?
14:08:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:08:13 <matt> zakim, who is making noise?
14:08:24 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DKA (57%), nacho (31%), Matt (18%)
14:08:31 <Zakim> + +020899aaaa
14:08:34 <DKA> zakim, mute nacho
14:08:34 <Zakim> nacho should now be muted
14:08:38 <jo> zakim, aaaa is me
14:08:38 <Zakim> +jo; got it
14:08:44 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson
14:09:02 <matt> Topic: Charter 2 Transition Status
14:09:12 <matt> DKA: How many people have correctly re-upped into the group?
14:09:37 <Kai> didn't that happen a while ago?
14:09:39 <matt> DKA: Everyone needs their AC rep to resign them up.
14:09:40 <jo> +1
14:09:45 <matt> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2007Oct/0048.html
14:09:54 <matt> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-minutes.html matt
14:09:56 <matt> Chair: DKA
14:10:55 <matt> Bryan: How do we know if we're done or not?
14:11:47 <matt> DKA: The participants page shows the old people.  Not sure what to look at for it.
14:11:55 <matt> Matt: I can look around and figure it out.
14:12:03 <jo> ->: http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/status current membership status
14:13:00 <matt> Topic: F2F Agenda
14:13:38 <matt> DKA: There are slots for lightning talks at the TP, specifically I was thinking task force talks, such as Content Transformation TF and the checker from the Checker Task Force.
14:13:49 <matt> DKA: Asked Sean for a demo of the checker.
14:14:00 <matt> jo: Sean prefers to not, since he won't be there that day, prefers jo do it.
14:14:20 <srowen> srowen has joined #bpwg
14:14:50 <matt> jo: Sean traveling on the day of the TP.  I could do a lightning talk, might not be ready by then for demo.
14:15:03 <matt> DKA: Could put ourselves in for one, and talk through it if it's not ready.
14:15:08 <Zakim> +Sean_Owen
14:16:02 <skarim> skarim has joined #bpwg
14:16:06 <matt> jo: Should have agenda by now.
14:16:12 <matt> DKA: We have a draft, do you have a link?
14:16:28 <matt> jo: no, the timings are all wrong.
14:16:31 <matt> DKA: I've got the action on that.
14:16:44 <matt> DKA: Not going to be possible to do much on it between now and next call.
14:17:14 <skarim> q+
14:17:22 <DKA> ACTION-570
14:17:46 <matt> DKA: Reassigning task to jo to work on agenda.
14:18:11 <matt> ack
14:18:17 <matt> ack skarim 
14:18:18 <jo> ack sha
14:18:36 <matt> skarim: Are we ready to have discussions around the HTML5 TF?
14:18:50 <matt> DKA: We need a task force leader on the HTML5 TF.
14:19:02 <Bryan> q+
14:19:08 <matt> DKA: Can you become the leader skarim?
14:19:09 <matt> ack Bryan 
14:19:15 <matt> Bryan: I could see if I can do it.
14:19:16 <DKA> ack bryan
14:19:22 <matt> Bryan: Arun said he could do it, but he's in the midst of a transition.
14:19:57 <matt> DKA: Should be on the agenda then for Boston.
14:20:07 <matt> DKA: Would be a key opportunity to bring HTML5 members into the discussion.
14:20:23 <matt> DKA: Should be an action to arrange for a bit of a joint session with HTML.
14:20:26 <matt> s/HTML/HTML5/
14:21:04 <matt> http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-TechPlenAgenda.html
14:22:31 <matt> ACTION: Matt to look into joint meeting with HTML5 regarding Mobile Requirements for HTML5 work
14:22:31 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-576 - Look into joint meeting with HTML5 regarding Mobile Requirements for HTML5 work [on Matt Womer - due 2007-10-18].
14:23:50 <matt> DKA: We want to get Chris Wilson or Dan Connolly into our meetings on Monday.
14:23:56 <matt> s/joint meeting/meeting/
14:24:04 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:24:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, Kai, nacho (muted), Matt, Bryan, Shah, jo, +1.630.414.aadd, Sean_Owen
14:24:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see skarim, srowen, SeanPatterson, Bryan, Kai, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, nacho, DKA, matt, trackbot-ng
14:24:45 <SeanPatterson> zakim, aadd is me
14:24:45 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson; got it
14:25:03 <matt> Topic: Task Force Reports
14:25:10 <Bryan> q+
14:25:30 <matt> DKA: We need to make a resolution to publish the problem statement update in order to make it before the moratorium
14:25:33 <matt> zakim, who is making noise?
14:25:44 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 9 (19%), DKA (80%), jo (4%)
14:25:48 <DKA> q?
14:25:53 <DKA> ack bryan
14:27:04 <matt> Bryan: The BP's might be out of sync with what is currently deployed.  It might be a good time at the F2F to talk about the status of the BP.
14:27:09 <matt> DKA: I think that's in the BP Doc 2.
14:28:20 <matt> DKA: Jo, status of the Content Transformation TF?
14:28:46 <matt> jo: Pressing on, various things on the cooker.  Would like to request that this group put the latest draft of the problem statement forward as a W3C note.
14:28:49 <matt> jo: Now focusing on the guidelines.
14:29:09 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:29:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, Kai, nacho (muted), Matt, Bryan, Shah, jo, SeanPatterson, Sean_Owen
14:29:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see skarim, srowen, SeanPatterson, Bryan, Kai, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, nacho, DKA, matt, trackbot-ng
14:29:28 <matt> DKA: The TF has reached consensus on publishing?
14:29:31 <matt> jo; Yes.
14:29:39 <matt> s/jo;/jo:/
14:29:47 <matt> DKA: let's have a resolution and move the document out.
14:30:05 <DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: latest draft of CT problem statement to be published as working group note.
14:30:10 <srowen> +1
14:30:17 <jo> +1
14:30:19 <nacho> +1 for me
14:30:23 <SeanPatterson> +1
14:31:23 <DKA> RESOLUTION: latest draft of CT problem statement to be published as working group note.
14:31:43 <matt> DKA: Is the @@ going to be revised?
14:31:57 <matt> jo: It's good enough, might be revised, but don't see it needing it.
14:32:10 <matt> s/@@/CT problem statement/
14:32:23 <jo> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/ProblemStatement/071008 Problem Statement 		
14:32:45 <matt> DKA: And the guidelines?  The doc itself is a shell at the moment.
14:32:57 <matt> DKA: What is going into that doc is on the mailing list.  That's the current status?
14:33:06 <matt> jo: Yes.  Discussing numerous things at this point.
14:33:09 <matt> zakim, who is making noise?
14:33:20 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DKA (82%), jo (90%)
14:33:54 <matt> jo: We're talking about things like going through various proxy/transformation servers, and we're looking at how we can be robust about that.  Looking at the HTTP armory to see what capabilities are available.
14:34:04 <matt> jo: Looks to me at first pass that we have an adequate range of HTTP based mechanisms to do that.
14:34:47 <matt> jo: Haven't assigned mechanisms for tasks that need to be done.  A task that needs doing for instance is: you may correct my markup but not reformat my content.  We have a rough idea how to do it, but no mechanism to it with yet.
14:34:57 <matt> s/to it/to do it/
14:35:44 <matt> DKA: If we publish this draft, should we be engaging with W3C PR types?
14:35:57 <Zakim> -DKA
14:36:24 <Zakim> +??P1
14:36:30 <DKA> zakim, ??p1 is dka
14:36:30 <Zakim> +dka; got it
14:37:33 <matt> DKA: If we are issuing a draft of the problem statement I'm thinking we might want to engage the W3C communications team to do a kind of media advisory on it.  Show that the W3C is taking a lead on this topic. 
14:37:36 <matt> +1
14:39:17 <matt> ACTION: DKA to send a note to Marie-Claire regarding PR for the Content Transformation Task Force Problem Statement Note publication
14:39:17 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - DKA
14:39:24 <matt> ACTION: dan to send a note to Marie-Claire regarding PR for the Content Transformation Task Force Problem Statement Note publication
14:39:24 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-577 - Send a note to Marie-Claire regarding PR for the Content Transformation Task Force Problem Statement Note publication [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2007-10-18].
14:40:01 <Zakim> -jo
14:40:04 <matt> DKA: Anything else from CT TF?
14:40:06 <matt> jo: Nope.
14:40:15 <jo> zakim, code?
14:40:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:40:25 <matt> zakim, who is talking?
14:40:35 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dka (9%)
14:40:51 <Zakim> +jo
14:40:57 <matt> srowen: would like to release a binary of the mobileOK checker, and include it on a post on our blog
14:41:02 <matt> DKA: Yes, makes lots of sense.
14:41:18 <matt> Matt: Which blog?
14:41:22 <matt> srowen: The MWI BP blog.
14:41:46 <matt> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/
14:41:58 <matt> DKA: thought there was going to be a post on the no transform header?  Anything happen to it?
14:42:09 <matt> jo: It was floated as an idea but no one has done anything on it.
14:43:05 <matt> Matt: I can write it if there's an opinion logged somewhere...
14:43:12 <matt> jo: It's in the CT group, which hasn't discussed it at all.
14:43:30 <srowen> (we can't just plagiarize dotMobi's post? :) )
14:44:01 <jo> +1 to plagarisng myself
14:44:07 <jo> (is that possible?)
14:44:16 <matt> DKA: Do we need a resolution to support you in publication of the binary?
14:44:58 <matt> jo: If it's the first publication, yes.
14:45:01 <matt> DKA: Is it a document?
14:45:16 <matt> jo: I believe we should have a resolution from the group that it is going out.
14:45:55 <matt> DKA: I don't think we need to have a resolution each time we update the binary.  It's something that gets updated a lot.
14:46:44 <matt> Matt: If it were a document, you'd resolve on the first publication but not each step in between. 
14:47:18 <srowen> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Publish mobileOK Basic checker code as it exists in CVS today as a first "alpha" release and publicize it on the MWI BPWG blog
14:47:29 <DKA> +1
14:47:34 <matt> zakim, who is here?
14:47:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kai, nacho (muted), Matt, Bryan, Shah, SeanPatterson, Sean_Owen, dka, jo
14:47:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see skarim, srowen, SeanPatterson, Bryan, Kai, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, nacho, DKA, matt, trackbot-ng
14:47:39 <SeanPatterson> +1
14:47:57 <nacho> q+
14:48:01 <nacho> zakim, unmute me
14:48:01 <Zakim> nacho should no longer be muted
14:48:02 <matt> jo: When publishing we'll put a note out with a list of known problems, etc?
14:48:02 <DKA> ack nacho
14:48:03 <matt> srowen: Yes.
14:48:17 <matt> nacho: I will have a user manual for the mobile OK checker for next Tuesday.  Should we wait for that?
14:48:36 <matt> srowen: Yes, I'm happy to wait if you're about to finish it.
14:48:38 <matt> nacho: Will send it to the TF to review by Tuesday.
14:48:59 <srowen> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Publish mobileOK Basic checker code as it exists in CVS next Tuesday (including Nacho's documentation) as a first "alpha" release and publicize it on the MWI BPWG blog
14:49:20 <srowen> RESOLUTION: Publish mobileOK Basic checker code as it exists in CVS next Tuesday (including Nacho's documentation) as a first "alpha" release and publicize it on the MWI BPWG blog
14:49:33 <DKA> q?
14:49:48 <nacho> zakim, mute me
14:49:48 <Zakim> nacho should now be muted
14:49:51 <matt> Topic:  LC3 comments on MobileOK Tests 1.0
14:50:03 <matt> DKA: Have these been inputted into the comment tracker?
14:50:09 <matt> srowen: Yes, all that I know of.
14:50:30 <jo> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/37584/WD-mobileOK-basic10-tests-20070928/ LC-3 comments
14:51:05 <matt> DKA: Just six comments so far.
14:51:46 <matt> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/37584/WD-mobileOK-basic10-tests-20070928/1859 -- Laurens
14:52:29 <matt> srowen: Long thread on this one, will summarize: The question is what gets sent in the accept header during tests?  the doc says we send a list of content types that the DDC can handle.
14:52:41 <matt> srowen: Luarens point is that that isn't correct for requests for an image for example.
14:52:50 <matt> s/Luarens/Laurens/
14:53:06 <matt> srowen: That is perhaps the desirable behavior, but he's claiming it's wrong.
14:53:36 <matt> srowen: The onus is still on the server to send you the right thing.  If the server sends you a style sheet when you're looking for an image, then that's wrong on the server side.
14:53:45 <matt> srowen: We've found that mobile browsers don't customize their content type.
14:54:04 <matt> srowen: Laurens says this disables some content negotiation.
14:54:37 <jo> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2007Oct/0020.html end of the relevant thread
14:54:40 <matt> srowen: One might want a table instead of a graphic of the table.  But to me returning HTML in an image URI for instance isn't done in practice.
14:55:10 <jo> q+
14:55:18 <matt> srowen: Two options: reject this comment or modify the document to say that the headers should be right, but might entail another last call.
14:55:31 <matt> srowen: Dom doesn't think that changing that would require another last call.
14:55:47 <matt> srowen: So I'm kind of in favor of "fixing" this, even though I don't really think it's broken.
14:55:48 <matt> ack jo
14:55:49 <DKA> ack jo
14:56:04 <DKA> q?
14:56:15 <matt> jo: I'm not willing to do another last call on MobileOK... 
14:57:13 <matt> jo: Every single browser we've looked at sends in some circumstances the entire set of headers.
14:57:29 <matt> jo: There is only one browser we've found that restricts it.
14:57:54 <srowen> q+
14:58:13 <matt> jo: If we didn't specify it the way we do then we wouldn't pick up on erroneous browsers.
14:58:21 <DKA> ack srowen
14:58:36 <matt> jo: Dom's test shows up as completely broken for instance on the webkit browser.
14:58:38 <matt> jo: I think there are no grounds for changing this.
14:58:49 <matt> srowen: I'm okay with that, but there are a few subtleties.
14:59:03 <matt> srowen: but this wasn't a best practice for not doing this, it was unintentional.
14:59:14 <matt> srowen: I would like to agree that it would be nice if all browsers customized their accept headers.
14:59:21 <matt> srowen: I disagree with his assertion that not doing this is wrong though.
14:59:30 <DKA> q?
14:59:32 <matt> srowen: If we can weave those into the decision I'd agree.
14:59:47 <matt> jo: I think we have said consistently all along that these tests aren't about browsers, but about testing the interoperability of servers.
14:59:57 <matt> jo: Every other comment on browsers we've said it's not about browsers and their behavior.
15:00:26 <matt> srowen: My point was that this is picking up bad server side behavior...
15:00:40 <jo> scribenick: SeanPatterson
15:00:43 <matt> srowen: I make my resource available as an HTML page or an image, and that could be a problem with some browsers and that this would highlight it.
15:00:50 <matt> srowen: It's something we're accidentally testing for.
15:01:06 <Zakim> -Matt
15:01:23 <Zakim> -nacho
15:01:36 <SeanPatterson> Jo: There are lots of things we pick up in the tests either way.
15:01:56 <DKA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: we "resolve no" on LC-1859.
15:02:35 <srowen> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Resolve 'no' on LC-1859 with apologies. Behavior as specified does not contravene HTTP. In practice, it is consistent with most mobile UAs behavior and is desirable on practical grounds for a tester to emulate. It would be nice if all UAs did in fact tailor their Accept header to the type of resource being requested.
15:03:02 <srowen> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Resolve 'no' on LC-1859. Behavior as specified does not contravene HTTP. In practice, it is consistent with most mobile UAs behavior and is desirable on practical grounds for a tester to emulate. It would be nice if all UAs did in fact tailor their Accept header to the type of resource being requested.
15:03:09 <SeanPatterson> DKA: I don't thin we should apologize.
15:03:13 <Kai> :-) battling resolutions
15:03:38 <SeanPatterson> s/thin/think
15:04:17 <jo> PROPSOED RESOLUTION: LC-1859 We don't think that the suggested behaviour is mandated in the HTTP specification or that in our test sample of real browsers any browser other than Firefox actually changes its Accept header in this manner for both CSS and images, the majority do neither. Consequently the document remains as is. It should not be inferred from the way the checker behaves that real browsers either should or should not behave that way.
15:05:15 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Resolve 'no' on LC-1859. Behavior as specified does not contravene HTTP. In practice, it is consistent with most mobile UAs behavior and is desirable on practical grounds for a tester to emulate.  It should not be inferred from the way the checker behaves that real browsers either should or should not behave that way.
15:05:57 <SeanPatterson> Jo: HTTP contains many inconsistencies.
15:06:18 <SeanPatterson> s/HTTP/HTTP spec
15:07:10 <SeanPatterson> Sean: Isn't this what the accept header should be used for
15:07:35 <Kai> Jo, could you post the URI?
15:07:57 <SeanPatterson> Jo: HTTP spec says that server is no required to pay attention to accept header
15:08:05 <Bryan> q+
15:08:09 <DKA> +1 on the last proposed resolution. Can we go home now?
15:08:12 <DKA> ack bryan
15:08:49 <SeanPatterson> Bryan: Useful to have discussion on accept and issues around it
15:08:53 <matt> matt has joined #bpwg
15:09:06 <SeanPatterson> ... Many browsers just use a star in the accept header
15:09:21 <Kai> However, that is certainly not a good practice either :-)
15:09:31 <jo> [JO drones on about how 14.1 (Accept) of HTTP appears to be in flat contradiction to 10.4.7 (406 resposne]
15:11:38 <jo> s/resposne/response)
15:11:47 <jo> s/Jo/Jo/
15:11:56 <jo> RESOLUTION: Resolve 'no' on LC-1859. Behavior as specified does not contravene HTTP. In practice, it is consistent with most mobile UAs behavior and is desirable on practical grounds for a tester to emulate.  It should not be inferred from the way the checker behaves that real browsers either should or should not behave that way.
15:12:04 <DKA> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open
15:12:38 <SeanPatterson> Subject: Actions
15:13:31 <SeanPatterson> Subject: ACTION-571
15:13:44 <SeanPatterson> Jo: This one can be closed.
15:13:56 <SeanPatterson> Jo: I'll close it.
15:14:20 <jo> RESOLUTION: CLOSE ACTION-571
15:15:19 <SeanPatterson> DKA: Need to find out if people are coming to Seoul meeting.
15:16:08 <SeanPatterson> DKA: I'll take the action
15:16:35 <Zakim> -Bryan
15:16:43 <jo> ACTION: DKA to change Seoul questionnaire
15:16:43 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - DKA
15:17:04 <jo> ACTION: Dan  to change Seoul questionnaire
15:17:04 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-578 -  to change Seoul questionnaire [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2007-10-18].
15:17:10 <jo> action- 4
15:17:12 <SeanPatterson> DKA:  Dates are March?
15:17:29 <Zakim> +Bryan
15:17:40 <SeanPatterson> Subject: ACTION-572
15:17:49 <SeanPatterson> Jo: Can be closed.
15:18:13 <SeanPatterson> Subject: ACTION-573
15:18:30 <SeanPatterson> Jo: Need to tell people to get on with it.
15:18:46 <SeanPatterson> Subject: ACTION-574
15:18:57 <SeanPatterson> DKA: Not due yet--due on the 16th.
15:19:30 <jo> ACTION-574 CLOSED
15:19:30 <trackbot-ng> Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet
15:19:36 <SeanPatterson> Jo: Should action Mike on problem statement
15:20:31 <jo> ACTION: Mike to request transition of current CT Problem Statement to W3C NOte
15:20:31 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Mike
15:20:31 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mchadwic, mike)
15:20:47 <jo> ACTION: Smith to request transition of current CT Problem Statement to W3C NOte
15:20:47 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-579 - Request transition of current CT Problem Statement to W3C NOte [on Michael(tm) Smith - due 2007-10-18].
15:21:08 <jo> Action- 7
15:21:24 <SeanPatterson> DKA: Any other business?
15:21:43 <Zakim> - +1.425.214.aaff
15:22:13 <jo> zakim, drop me
15:22:13 <Zakim> jo is being disconnected
15:22:15 <Zakim> -jo
15:22:19 <Zakim> -dka
15:22:20 <Zakim> -Sean_Owen
15:22:22 <Zakim> -SeanPatterson
15:22:23 <Zakim> -Shah
15:22:24 <Zakim> -Kai
15:22:26 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
15:22:26 <jo> zakim, who is on the call
15:22:27 <Zakim> Attendees were DKA, Matt, Bryan, Shah, Kai, nacho, +020899aaaa, jo, SeanPatterson, Sean_Owen
15:22:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', jo
15:22:36 <jo> zakim, bye
15:22:36 <Zakim> Zakim has left #bpwg
15:22:43 <jo> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:22:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-minutes.html jo
15:23:20 <jo> Scribe: Matt, SeanPatterson
15:25:05 <jo> Regrets: Rhys, Roland, RobFinean, Ed, Alan, Adam
15:26:02 <jo> Present: DKA, Matt, Bryan, Shah, Kai, nacho, jo,  SeanPatterson, SeanOwen
15:27:34 <jo> s/Jo drones on/Jo drones on/
15:28:49 <jo> [Meeting Closed]
15:28:54 <jo> rrsagent, raft minutes
15:28:54 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'raft minutes', jo.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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15:29:02 <trackbot-ng> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/
15:29:03 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:29:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-minutes.html jo
15:30:20 <jo> s/->:/->/
15:30:28 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:30:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-minutes.html jo
15:31:22 <jo> s/plagarisng/plagarising/
15:31:32 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:31:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-minutes.html jo
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15:33:02 <trackbot-ng> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/
15:34:10 <jo> s/JO drones/Jo drones/
15:35:02 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:35:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-minutes.html jo
15:35:50 <jo> rrsagent, bye
15:35:50 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-actions.rdf :
15:35:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Matt to look into joint meeting with HTML5 regarding Mobile Requirements for HTML5 work [1]
15:35:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-irc#T14-22-31
15:35:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DKA to send a note to Marie-Claire regarding PR for the Content Transformation Task Force Problem Statement Note publication [2]
15:35:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-irc#T14-39-17
15:35:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: dan to send a note to Marie-Claire regarding PR for the Content Transformation Task Force Problem Statement Note publication [3]
15:35:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-irc#T14-39-24
15:35:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dan  to change Seoul questionnaire [5]
15:35:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-irc#T15-17-04
15:35:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike to request transition of current CT Problem Statement to W3C NOte [6]
15:35:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-bpwg-irc#T15-20-31
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