11:58:09 RRSAgent has joined #xmlsec 11:58:09 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-xmlsec-irc 11:58:11 RRSAgent, make logs public 11:58:14 Zakim, this will be XMLSEC 11:58:14 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot-ng 11:58:16 Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference 11:58:18 Date: 09 October 2007 12:02:56 zakim, this will be xmlsec 12:02:56 ok, tlr; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 58 minutes 12:09:01 trackbot-ng has joined #xmlsec 12:09:07 Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/ 12:12:42 tlr has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/ 12:41:24 klanz2 has joined #xmlsec 12:48:17 rdmiller has joined #xmlsec 12:51:15 Zakim, this will be XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference Call 12:51:15 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, klanz2 12:51:30 zakim, what is the code 12:51:30 I don't understand 'what is the code', klanz2 12:51:39 zakim, what is the code? 12:51:39 the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), klanz2 12:52:04 Zakim, this will be XMLSEC 12:52:04 ok, klanz2; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes 12:52:09 konrad, it's all done already 12:52:13 ok 12:52:24 zakim, agenda? 12:52:24 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 12:52:25 1. xpointers [from tlr] 12:55:20 FrederickHirsch has joined #xmlsec 12:56:19 T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started 12:56:26 +??P14 12:56:26 zakim, what is the code? 12:56:27 the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), FrederickHirsch 12:56:29 zakim, ? is klanz2 12:56:29 +klanz2; got it 12:56:49 +Frederick_Hirsch 12:57:10 14:57 12:57:30 Chair: Frederick Hirsch 12:57:41 Scribe: Konrad Lanz 12:57:48 + +1.410.695.aaaa 12:58:04 zakim, who is here? 12:58:04 On the phone I see klanz2, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.410.695.aaaa 12:58:05 On IRC I see FrederickHirsch, rdmiller, klanz2, trackbot-ng, RRSAgent, tlr, Zakim 12:58:14 zakim, call thomas-781 12:58:14 ok, tlr; the call is being made 12:58:14 zakim, ? is rd miller 12:58:15 I don't understand '? is rd miller', klanz2 12:58:17 +Thomas 12:58:27 zakim, I am thomas 12:58:27 ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas 12:58:30 zakim, mute me 12:58:30 Thomas should now be muted 12:58:37 zakim, ? is rdmiller 12:58:37 sorry, klanz2, I do not recognize a party named '?' 12:58:47 zakim, who is here 12:58:47 klanz2, you need to end that query with '?' 12:58:55 zakim, who is here? 12:58:55 On the phone I see klanz2, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.410.695.aaaa, Thomas (muted) 12:58:58 On IRC I see FrederickHirsch, rdmiller, klanz2, trackbot-ng, RRSAgent, tlr, Zakim 12:58:59 Zakim, ??aa is rdmiller 12:58:59 sorry, rdmiller, I do not recognize a party named '??aa' 12:59:13 zakim, unmute me 12:59:13 Thomas should no longer be muted 12:59:22 Zakim, aaaa is rdmiller 12:59:22 +rdmiller; got it 12:59:36 zaklim, who is here? 12:59:42 zakim, mute me 12:59:42 rdmiller should now be muted 12:59:47 zakim, who is here? 12:59:47 On the phone I see klanz2, Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller (muted), Thomas 12:59:48 On IRC I see FrederickHirsch, rdmiller, klanz2, trackbot-ng, RRSAgent, tlr, Zakim 12:59:59 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Oct/0002.html 13:00:19 Regrets: Sean Mullan 13:00:45 +Ed_Simon 13:01:52 TOPIC: 1) Administrivia: scribe confirmation, next meeting, other 13:02:55 TOPIC: 1b) Meeting planning 13:02:57 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:02:57 On the phone I see klanz2, Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller (muted), Thomas, Ed_Simon 13:03:13 fjh: cancel thanks giving meeting? 13:03:35 hal has joined #xmlsec 13:03:43 +??P2 13:03:50 zakim, ??P2 is juancarlos 13:03:50 +juancarlos; got it 13:04:04 20 November cancelled 13:04:07 zakim, mute juan 13:04:07 juancarlos should now be muted 13:04:19 fjh: 20th of November Meeting cancelled ... 13:04:21 zakim, unmute uan 13:04:21 sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to uan 13:04:46 fjh: try to have joint session with EXI ... 13:04:46 jcc has joined #xmlsec 13:04:55 zakim, nick jcc is juancarlos 13:04:55 ok, tlr, I now associate jcc with juancarlos 13:04:56 ... arrange time to meet 13:04:57 +Hal_Lockhart 13:05:19 jcc, you're muted currently, since your line caused significant noise 13:05:19 zakim, who is here? 13:05:19 On the phone I see klanz2, Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller (muted), Thomas, Ed_Simon, juancarlos (muted), Hal_Lockhart 13:05:22 On IRC I see jcc, hal, FrederickHirsch, rdmiller, klanz2, trackbot-ng, RRSAgent, tlr, Zakim 13:05:29 q+ to ask about speakerphone requirements for TPAC 13:05:46 ... meeting thursday and friday, not on saturday 13:06:09 +brich 13:06:46 glen marcy 13:06:53 (?) 13:07:06 brich has joined #xmlsec 13:07:15 question is whether these folks are actually going to attend 13:07:18 q 13:07:21 q+ 13:07:48 ack tlr 13:07:53 ack Thomas 13:07:53 Thomas, you wanted to ask about speakerphone requirements for TPAC 13:09:01 who planning to attend by phone - Konrad, who else? 13:09:03 klanz2: attend rather by phone than in person ... 13:09:28 my earlier attempts to use skype for that went pretty badly 13:09:55 ed: planing to be there ... 13:11:18 tlr: some people might have conflicts with AC meetings ... 13:11:35 q+ 13:11:36 fjh: please indicate constraints 13:11:44 q? 13:11:44 TOPIC: 2) Minutes 13:11:54 ack jcc 13:11:54 ack juancarlos 13:11:56 TOPIC: 2a) Review and approval of minutes 13:12:11 EdS has joined #xmlsec 13:12:25 jcc: ESI meeting, difficult to be there on Wednesday 13:13:03 jcc. might not be in boston, maybe arrive thursday and friday 13:13:14 jcc: might not be in boston, maybe arrive thursday and friday 13:13:22 q? 13:14:01 tlr: reservations ASAP 13:14:21 tlr: hotel rooms unpleasently expensive 13:15:03 http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-xmlsec-minutes 13:15:08 http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-xmlsec-minutes 13:15:08 RESOLUTION: Minutes approved. 13:16:04 the report and minutes are publicly visible, but we're playing a bit of security by obscurity right now. ;-) 13:16:39 fjh: do we want comments public or member list? 13:16:50 topic: action item review 13:16:54 fjh: let's use member list 13:17:07 TOPIC: 3) Action item review 13:17:25 anyway, don't block on me till you close one ;) 13:17:41 ACTION 74 open 13:17:56 ACTION 81 open 13:18:09 fjh: need to figure out if sections match 13:20:23 that's yet another issue 13:21:12 ACTION 82 closed 13:21:20 ACTION 83 closed 13:21:38 ACTION 90 closed 13:22:15 ACTION 91 closed 13:22:27 ACTION 92 closed 13:23:39 ACTION 93 open relates to xml:base clarification at the interop 13:24:17 ACTION 94 done 13:24:24 ACTION 94 closed 13:24:38 brich has joined #xmlsec 13:25:04 ACTION 95 open, check back with sean 13:25:36 ACTION 96 closed 13:26:29 two actions are needed one conecrning [ ] the other one concerning xml:base 13:26:31 I think the concrete step is an agenda+ for the next call... 13:28:22 PROPOSED ACTION: konrad to raise [] issue on public list 13:28:40 ACTION: konrad to raise [] issue on public list 13:28:40 Created ACTION-97 - Raise [] issue on public list [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-10-16]. 13:29:03 fjh: generate test cases? 13:29:15 s/cases?/cases for dname issue?/ 13:29:18 fjh: we need to be able to generate our interop report 13:29:26 Resolve imiplementation issues for DNAME testing 13:30:56 PROPOSED ACTION: Record open issues and actions resulting from interop testing 13:31:00 klanz: escaping of = vs \= 13:32:03 PROPOSED ACTION: konrad to send e-mail to summarize dname related interop issue to public list 13:32:12 ACTION: klanz2 to send e-mail to summarize dname related interop issue to public list 13:32:12 Created ACTION-98 - Send e-mail to summarize dname related interop issue to public list [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-10-16]. 13:33:04 PROPOSED ACTION: Record open issues and actions resulting from interop testing 13:33:24 ACTION: cruellas to review interop report to record open issues and actions resulting from interop testing 13:33:24 Created ACTION-99 - Review interop report to record open issues and actions resulting from interop testing [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2007-10-16]. 13:33:43 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Oct/0002.html 13:33:51 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Oct/0000.html 13:33:59 TOPIC: 4) XML Signature Draft Status Update 13:34:43 fjh: no change 13:35:08 TOPIC: 5) Workshop 13:35:14 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Oct/0004.html 13:35:32 fjh: drafted report, fairly brief, comments on comments list 13:35:41 s/comments list/member list/ 13:35:50 fjh: try to get something more publicly readable 13:36:34 fjh: report http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Oct/0000.html 13:38:24 jcc: access to conclusions instead of interop report 13:38:27 q+ to note that workshop report is intended to be published 13:39:07 fjh: once we are ready this will be published 13:39:18 tlr: waiting for comments ... 13:39:38 tlr: are publicly visible but not promionent 13:39:51 -juancarlos 13:40:34 +??P2 13:40:37 s/promionent/prominent 13:41:02 zakim, ??P2 is jcc 13:41:02 +jcc; got it 13:41:16 jcc: will point to those places 13:42:27 I'd see the report as the first step toward getting to a charter draft. 13:43:07 klanz2: maybe we should start some discussion eht the general direction could be updating vs. refactoring 13:43:23 fjh: need to produce a red line for xml-core 13:43:44 they're meeting tomorrow 13:43:52 s/eht/on/ 13:45:06 q+ 13:45:13 ack tlr 13:45:18 ack Thomas 13:45:18 Thomas, you wanted to note that workshop report is intended to be published and to 13:45:32 tlr: need two answers ... 13:45:45 ... 1 . arew we right on what we assume 13:45:45 PHB has joined #xmlsec 13:45:52 zakim, code? 13:45:52 the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), PHB 13:45:53 does xml core agree with analysis - timing for when to update document 13:45:58 ... 2. what is the timescale for updating c14n1.1 13:46:17 s/arew/are/ 13:46:19 +PHB 13:46:39 tlr: discussion on c14n 1.1 13:47:05 klanz2: will try to pull c14n 1.1 to front of core agenda 13:47:21 fjh: maybe private contact to chair of core 13:47:47 zakim, who is making noise? 13:47:48 fjh: don't know how well the wiki is working 13:47:59 tlr, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ed_Simon (51%), Frederick_Hirsch (24%), klanz2 (15%) 13:48:01 ed: likes the wiki 13:48:19 fjh: shall we switch to a doc? 13:48:24 q+ 13:48:50 ack klanz 13:49:20 q+ 13:49:39 ack Thomas 13:50:04 klanz2: use wiki to write in sections and chapter style 13:51:07 tlr: could you provide a script for conversion 13:52:14 klanz2: thought more about plain text editiiong in wiki and to to the markup later 13:52:18 +1 to keeping stuff in the wiki for the moment, reviewing it, and then having somebody (not me) edit it. ;-) 13:52:35 fjh: cvs and do documents there? 13:53:28 can someone provide link for wiki? 13:53:30 fjh: we should have a best practices section there 13:53:51 q+ 13:53:53 http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/Overview.html#wiki 13:53:54 q+ klanz2 13:54:11 ack klanz2 13:54:18 ack Thomas 13:54:21 q+ 13:55:14 ack klanz 13:56:08 -klanz2 13:56:14 dialing in again 13:56:39 +??P9 13:56:45 q+ 13:56:47 zakim, ? is klanz2 13:56:47 +klanz2; got it 13:57:00 fjh: we need to get it on the list 13:57:16 q? 13:57:22 ack jcc 13:57:45 jcc: agree there are no volunteers now, defer volunteer issue ... 13:58:37 fjh: report not in that detail 14:00:26 klanz2: use position papers for position papers 14:00:50 fjh: use the mailing list to point the rto the relavant information for best practicesa 14:01:07 s/rto/to/ 14:01:27 fjh: decryption transform no interest 14:01:41 TOPIC: 8) Decryption Transform 14:01:52 fjh: what are we going to do with this? 14:02:28 tlr: we are supposed to fix the inheritance and xpointers as in xmldsig 14:02:55 tlr: if we have time and energy and go to last call 14:03:47 tlr: decryption transform is dealing as exceptions specified as xpointers 14:04:06 tlr: how much of this remains useful looking at the state of xpointers 14:04:23 tlr: spec in bad shape due to it's heavy use of xpointers 14:05:02 tlr: maybe, fixing needs refactoring and is to be chartered in another group 14:05:17 fjh: is there another path that deprecates it 14:05:41 tlr: it's possible ot recend? a specifications 14:05:58 s/specificatons/specification/ 14:07:31 klanz2: maybe just add a note that warns 14:07:43 ... that xpointer is a WD 14:08:06 q+ 14:08:07 ... just do the quick and dirty fixes 14:08:19 ack Thomas 14:08:57 tlr: two aspects, doing minimal fixes ... 14:09:25 second it's wired that it needs xpointer and hence redesign ... 14:09:57 can someone identify what needs to be done ... 14:10:15 we have done part of it but not all of it ... 14:10:33 one or two edits have to be finished ... 14:11:08 fjh: 1. figure out what has to be done 14:11:23 2. what are the issues and add a warning 14:11:57 TOPIC: 9) Any other business 14:14:47 hal: what about doing stuff in the next working group ... 14:15:03 hal: maybe not part of this working group 14:15:07 q+ to note that our charter does list best practices 14:15:45 ack Thomas 14:15:45 Thomas, you wanted to note that our charter does list best practices 14:16:06 tlr: we are chartered to do best practices 14:17:03 tlr: maybe a good idea to start as long as it is fresh 14:17:16 +1 to tlr 14:17:54 zakim, mute me 14:17:54 Thomas should now be muted 14:18:39 zakim, unmute me 14:18:39 Thomas should no longer be muted 14:19:05 tlr: posibility to recharter 14:19:15 ... new group 14:19:26 ... split up between maintenance work 14:19:34 ... and new work 14:19:58 ... documents should be able to transition 14:20:10 ... from one document to another 14:20:20 s/document/group/ 14:20:28 ... no REC material in this group 14:20:54 ... other groups can use the work we can use here 14:22:32 note this group does produce REC for signature revision. 14:22:40 (PER) 14:22:48 ok, to be totally clear: 14:22:55 - no rec-track best practices in this charter 14:23:07 - PER for dsig-core 14:23:11 - rec-track work for decryption transform 14:23:15 (just to set the record straight) 14:25:53 -Hal_Lockhart 14:25:54 adjourned 14:25:57 - +1.512.401.aabb 14:26:00 -jcc 14:26:12 -rdmiller 14:26:25 jcc has left #xmlsec 14:26:40 -Thomas 14:26:44 Zakim, list participants 14:26:44 As of this point the attendees have been klanz2, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.410.695.aaaa, Thomas, rdmiller, Ed_Simon, juancarlos, Hal_Lockhart, brich, jcc, PHB 14:26:45 zakim, who is here? 14:26:47 On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, PHB, klanz2 14:26:48 On IRC I see PHB, EdS, FrederickHirsch, rdmiller, klanz2, trackbot-ng, RRSAgent, tlr, Zakim 14:26:58 RRSAgent, make log public 14:27:10 RRSAgent, generate minutes 14:27:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-xmlsec-minutes.html FrederickHirsch 14:27:38 -Ed_Simon 14:28:57 -PHB 14:30:54 zakim, who is here? 14:30:54 On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, klanz2 14:30:55 On IRC I see PHB, FrederickHirsch, klanz2, trackbot-ng, RRSAgent, tlr, Zakim 14:36:28 -Frederick_Hirsch 14:36:33 -klanz2 14:36:34 T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended 14:36:35 Attendees were klanz2, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.410.695.aaaa, Thomas, rdmiller, Ed_Simon, juancarlos, Hal_Lockhart, brich, jcc, PHB 14:37:01 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:37:01 apparently T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended, klanz2 14:37:02 On IRC I see PHB, FrederickHirsch, klanz2, trackbot-ng, RRSAgent, tlr, Zakim 14:56:13 PHB has left #xmlsec 17:35:57 RRSAgent has joined #xmlsec 17:35:57 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-xmlsec-irc 17:35:59 rrsagent, please draft minutes 17:35:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr-bbl 17:36:01 rrsagent, excuse us 17:36:14 rrsagent, please make record public 17:36:17 rrsagent, excuse us 17:36:17 I see no action items