IRC log of wai-wcag on 2007-10-04

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20:05:32 [rscano]
zakim, ??P3 is Roberto_Scano
20:05:32 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Scano; got it
20:05:38 [rscano]
zakim, I am Roberto_Scano
20:05:38 [Zakim]
ok, rscano, I now associate you with Roberto_Scano
20:05:38 [Ben]
RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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RRSAgent, make log world
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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
20:06:07 [rscano]
happy birthday Michaeeeellll
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David should make a song...
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with guitar :)
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007OctDec/0007.html
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with captions :)
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Chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Link Purpose Proposals for Sept. 2007, including user feedback
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from David and Sofia
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agenda+ Miscellenous Proposals for 2 0ct 2007
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+[IPcaller]
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agenda+ Conformance level survey for 02 Oct 2007
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agenda+ Miscellaneous Issues for 04 Oct 2007
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agenda?
20:07:57 [bengt]
zakim, [IPcall is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
20:08:01 [Ben]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from Ben]
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Topic: Announcements, Questions, and Updates
20:08:55 [bengt]
query f2f ?
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q+
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+[Microsoft]
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ack Sofia
20:10:24 [MichaelC]
meeting: WCAG
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chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2007OctDec/0007.html
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q+
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ack Ben
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announcement
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ack Ben
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ack Bruce
20:12:53 [MichaelC]
zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
20:12:53 [Zakim]
+Cynthia_Shelly; got it
20:13:51 [bengt]
today is the cinnamon roll day in sweden ;)
20:14:14 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
20:14:14 [Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
20:14:15 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Link Purpose Proposals for Sept. 2007, including user feedback [from Ben]
20:14:41 [Ben]
zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Miscellenous Proposals for 2 0ct 2007" taken up [from Ben]
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Topic: Miscellaneous Proposals for 2 October 2007
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TOpic: Issue 2222 "Non-Interference" "No Keyboard Trap" dependent on UA/plugin as well
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Resolution: Accept Issue 2222 as amended
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Topic: Issue 2231 Is 2.4.9 testable?
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q+
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ack Cynthia
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ack Loretta
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ack l
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ack Cynthia
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ack Sean
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Action: Cynthia, Sean and David to redraft response to issue 2231
20:31:22 [Ben]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
20:31:23 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Link Purpose Proposals for Sept. 2007, including user feedback [from Ben]
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Topic: Conformance Level Survey for 2 October 2007
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Conformance level survey for 02 Oct 2007" taken up [from Ben]
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Topic: Issue 2036 conformance levels
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Resolution: Accept issue 2036 as proposed
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TOpic: issue 1973 SC 1.4.3 at Level AA allows sites that are unreadable for many
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ack Cynthia
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+[IBM]
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zakim, who is on the phone?
20:38:24 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Roberto_Ellero, Sofia_Celic, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Sean_Hayes, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Cooper, David_MacDonald,
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... Roberto_Scano (muted), Bengt_Farre, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver
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Action: Loretta to research tools for users relative to color issues
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Resolution: Accept response to Issue 1973 as amended
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Topic: Issue 2103: contrast ratio SC level
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Resolution: Accept response to issue 2103 as amended
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Topic: Issue 2121: SC 3.2.3 should be Level A
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ack Cynthia
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Resolution: accept response to issue 2121, subject to action by Sean to try to add example
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Action: Sean to try to add example re: response to issue 2121
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Topic: Issue 2244: "Interruptions" may warrant a higher priority
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Resolution: Accept response to issue 2244 as proposed
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Topic: Issue 2328: Move SC 2.2.6 to Level A
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Resolution: Accept response to issue 2328 as amended
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Topic: Issue 1943: Should this be applied to everything that qualifies as a "Web page"?
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ack Bruce
21:14:15 [Ben]
zakim, Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
21:16:11 [MichaelC]
q+ to say we keep getting confused on this topic, sounds like clarification needed in Understanidng
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q+ to say this feels like a tangent
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ack Michael
21:18:04 [Zakim]
MichaelC, you wanted to say we keep getting confused on this topic, sounds like clarification needed in Understanidng and to say this feels like a tangent
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q?
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-Roberto_Scano
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Resolution: accept response to issue 1943 as proposed
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TOpic: Issue 2344: LC-1054: change level - most web pages are part of a set of web pages
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Resolution: accept response to issue 2344 as proposed
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Topic: Issue 2064: Level of 2.4.6
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ack Cynthia
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Resolution: accept response to issue 2064 as amended
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Topic: Issues 2052, 2086: Should 2.4.9 be a AA requirement?
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Resolution: leave issues 2052, 2086 open and tie them to issue 2231 action item
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Topic: Issue 1969: Language changes should be Level A
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ack Sean
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ack Bruce
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Resolution: defer discussion of issue 1969 pending resolution of issue 2069
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Topic: Issue 2105: SC level for 3.1.3
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Resolution: accept response to issue 2105 as proposed
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Topic: Issues 2106, 2341: SC 3.1.4 should be Level A
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-Bengt_Farre
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q+
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q+
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ack Andi
22:05:45 [Loretta]
q+
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ack Ben
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q+
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ack Loretta
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ack David
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q+
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ack Gregg
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ack Cynthia
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q+
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ack Gregg
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ack Sean
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q+ to say, "SC only requires first occurence"
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q+
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ack Ben
22:15:48 [Zakim]
Ben, you wanted to say, "SC only requires first occurence"
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q+
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ack Loretta
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ack Gregg
22:19:32 [David]
zakim, who's making noise?
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David, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
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zakim, who's making noise?
22:20:06 [Zakim]
David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alex_Li (71%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (5%), Cynthia_Shelly (65%)
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q+
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zakim, mute Alex_Li
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Alex_Li should now be muted
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ack Andi
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q+
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ack Andi
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ack Katie
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ack Katie
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q+
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-Roberto_Ellero
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ack Gregg
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Action: Cynthia to write response justifying AAA
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Resolution: keep issues 2106, 2341 open
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Topic: Issue 2107: Increase SC for 3.3.4
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q+
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ack Gregg
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Resolution: accept response to issue 2107 as amended
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Topic: Issues 2078: Raise priority level of SC 3.3.3 and 3.3.6
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Resolution: accept response to issue 2078 as amended
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Topic: Issue 1952: Consider moving 3.2.3, 3.2.4, 3.3.3, 3.3.4 and 3.3.6 to Level A
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Resolution: Accept response to issue 1952 as proposed
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 4 closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Link Purpose Proposals for Sept. 2007, including user feedback [from Ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Link Purpose Proposals for Sept. 2007, including user feedback" taken up [from Ben]
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Topic: Link Purpose Proposals for September 2007
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Topic: reports on user studies
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ack Cynthia
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q+
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ack Gregg
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-Bruce_Bailey
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q+
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ack Gregg
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ack Cynthia
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q+
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q+
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ack Gregg
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ack Sofia
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q-
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Action: Loretta, Sofia, Gregg, David to explore link context proposal
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-Andi_Snow-Weaver
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-Tim_Boland
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-David_MacDonald
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-Cooper
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-Sean_Hayes
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-Sofia_Celic
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-Ben_Caldwell
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-Alex_Li
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Bruce_Bailey, [IPcaller], Roberto_Ellero, Sofia_Celic, +078750aaaa, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Tim_Boland, Cooper, David_MacDonald, Roberto_Scano, Bengt_Farre,
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... Cynthia_Shelly, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Gregg_Vanderheiden