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14:53:45 <TomB> rrsagent, bookmark
14:53:45 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T14-53-45
14:53:52 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
14:53:52 <Zakim> ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
14:53:57 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
14:54:00 <TomB> Chair: Tom
14:54:31 <TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0063.html
14:55:46 <TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-swd-minutes.html
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14:56:29 <mhausenblas> Thanks! Yes, that would be great ...
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14:57:15 <TomB> Regrets: Al, Diego
14:58:16 <edsu> i can sure try :)
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14:59:07 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
14:59:55 <Zakim> +[LC]
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15:01:07 <Zakim> +[LC]
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15:01:34 <Zakim> + +012242aaaa - is perhaps Quentin?
15:01:42 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:02:02 <RalphS> zakim, aaaa is Quentin
15:02:12 <Zakim> sorry, RalphS, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:02:31 <mhausenblas> zakim, code?
15:02:37 <RalphS> zakim, +012242aaaa is Quentin
15:02:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 79394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), mhausenblas
15:02:48 <RalphS> zakim, Quentin? is really Quentin
15:03:05 <Zakim> sorry, RalphS, I do not recognize a party named '+012242aaaa'
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15:03:11 <Zakim> +??P52
15:03:17 <Zakim> +Quentin; got it
15:03:39 <Zakim> +??P56
15:03:49 <TomB> zakim, ??P52 is dlrubin
15:04:06 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
15:04:06 <mhausenblas> zakim, ??P56 is me
15:04:16 <Zakim> +Antoine_Isaac
15:04:25 <Zakim> I already had ??P52 as dlrubin, TomB
15:04:27 <TomB> zakim, ??P56 may be Vit
15:04:37 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
15:04:39 <Zakim> +??P60
15:04:42 <Quent> Quent has joined #swd
15:04:53 <Zakim> I already had ??P56 as mhausenblas, TomB
15:05:19 <Zakim> +Jon_Phipps
15:05:39 <RalphS> zakim, dlrubin is really Vit
15:05:47 <Zakim> +Vit; got it
15:05:57 <RalphS> zakim, mhausenblas is really Daniel
15:06:02 <RalphS> zakim, nick dlrubin is Daniel
15:06:05 <Zakim> +Daniel; got it
15:06:07 <JonP> zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
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15:06:09 <RalphS> zakim, ??p60 is Sean
15:06:09 <Zakim> ok, RalphS, I now associate dlrubin with Daniel
15:06:18 <Zakim> +JonP; got it
15:06:20 <Zakim> +Sean; got it
15:06:30 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
15:06:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB, Clay, Edsu, Quentin, Ralph, Vit, Daniel, Michael_Hausenblas, Antoine_Isaac, Sean, JonP
15:07:14 <mhausenblas> +1
15:08:24 <Quent> resolved Minutes PROPOSED to accept minutes of 18 Sep telecon
15:08:33 <Zakim> +??P72
15:08:39 <Simone> Zakim, ??P72 is me
15:08:40 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
15:10:15 <Quent> NOTE Daniel might be able to join by telcon/irc
15:11:02 <edsu> Michael's review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0062.html
15:11:15 <edsu> Vit's review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0061.html
15:11:27 <edsu> Ed's review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0068.html
15:12:38 <TomB> Michael: Cool URIs assumes RDF/XML standalone, but what about RDFa?
15:14:18 <TomB> ...for example, if you look at Figures 1 and 2, always have RDF/XML and HTML.
15:15:10 <RalphS> q+ to propose that Michael's issue is a generic GRDDL issue
15:16:11 <Quent> ...Beside XML/RDF representation of vocabulary, is there any other method to be considered (e.g. RDFa)
15:16:12 <TomB> ack RalphS
15:16:12 <Zakim> RalphS, you wanted to propose that Michael's issue is a generic GRDDL issue
15:17:23 <Quent> Ralph: Large number of documents which include RDFa 
15:17:39 <TomB> RalphS: Does this document also handle all GRDDLable documents?
15:18:13 <RalphS> s/include RDFa/include GRDDL transform pointers/
15:18:42 <Quent> Vit: No mention to solve ontologies but Antoine suggested it could be solved implicitly
15:19:08 <Quent> ...Solution 303 should be described in more details
15:19:08 <mhausenblas> q+ to propose that Vit's issue may be generalised
15:19:25 <RalphS> q+
15:19:27 <TomB> ack mhausenblas
15:19:28 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to propose that Vit's issue may be generalised
15:19:43 <TomB> ack RalphS
15:19:52 <Quent> Michael: Scalability issues should probably be investigated
15:21:39 <TomB> Ed: scalability did get addressed, but 303 presented as a more scalable way of doing this.
15:21:46 <RalphS> q+
15:21:54 <TomB> ack RalphS
15:21:55 <Zakim> +benadida
15:22:30 <Quent> RalphS: Ask for clarification about Vit's concern on solution 303
15:22:40 <TomB> RalphS: Not clear to me from Vit's review whether 303 concerns were strictly practical, as related to text of this draft not, or architectural.
15:23:02 <TomB> ..."either you must use hash or use 303"?
15:23:24 <JonP> 303 cacheability has lately been discussed in the TAG... http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/16-minutes#item06
15:23:40 <TomB> RalphS: gene cannot be transported on internet (i.e., a real gene)...
15:24:10 <JonP> "Roy Fielding has spoken up to say that [303 lack of cachability] is just a bug in HTTP that should be fixed."
15:24:31 <TomB> RalphS: If this working group disagrees with choice of hash/303, then we would need to take this up with TAG , not with authors of this note.
15:25:23 <TomB> ...can see this as a particular application of our Recipes document.
15:25:50 <TomB> ...Not everyone agrees with TAG's resolution on hash/303, so we need to formulate our opinion.
15:26:33 <Quent> Vit: Large RDF are normally shallow dbs and was wondering about practicality of the solution 303
15:27:30 <RalphS> [it does seem to me that the SWEO note should be citing the SWBPD Recipes WD also
15:28:27 <Quent> ACTION: Cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main point
15:30:18 <Quent> ACTION TomB: Cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main points + send to Working Group mailing list
15:30:32 <TomB> ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]
15:30:35 <TomB> -- continues
15:30:49 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
15:30:54 <Quent> ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
15:31:00 <Quent> -- continues
15:31:16 <Quent> ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]
15:31:21 <Quent> -- continues
15:32:33 <Quent> ACTION: Sean to prepare readings and discussion topics for Semantic Relation properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action06] 
15:32:37 <Quent> -- done
15:32:39 <edsu> Sean's notes added to the wiki: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda
15:32:58 <Quent> ACTION: Antoine to make wiki page or list posting summarizing issues for "Concept Semantics" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action07]
15:33:27 <Quent> -- continues
15:34:25 <Quent> ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about Issue-36 ConceptSchemeContainment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:34:31 <Quent> -- continues
15:35:13 <Quent> ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08]
15:35:51 <Quent> Ralph: Document has been moved from proposed reading to required reading
15:37:27 <Quent> ACTION: Diego and Justin to review document prior to f2f
15:37:46 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes#item02 Diego and Justin agree to review the RDFa Syntax document
15:38:07 <Quent> ACTION: Ed to review doc b4 f2f 
15:38:52 <Quent> ACTION: Guus to raise question three from Misha's email -- statements (creator, date modified, confidence...) about statements -- with the RDFa group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action11]
15:38:55 <Quent> -- dropped
15:40:13 <Quent> TomB: RDFa to be discussed on Monday morning @ f2f prior to discussion on SKOS
15:40:39 <Quent> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/16) -- formerly known as "Recipe issue 1.3" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
15:40:42 <Quent> -- continues
15:41:04 <Quent> ACTION: Jon to clarify reading list and discussion points for Amsterdam agenda topic "Receipes" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
15:42:09 <Quent> -- done
15:42:53 <Quent> ACTION: Elisa will configure IPTC from Misha's email into vocabulary management documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action12]
15:43:54 <Quent> TomB: Ed pointed out that the issue was important, but Tom thinks it's out of scope of vocabulary management
15:44:14 <Quent> Vit: No obvious connection to draft on wiki
15:44:17 <Quent> -- dropped
15:44:39 <Quent> ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06]
15:44:43 <Quent> -- continues
15:46:48 <vit> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda
15:47:42 <TomB> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0051.html
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15:48:55 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0051.html [VocabMgt] Updated F2F agenda from Vit
15:49:29 <Quent> Vit: will take about 30 min to present his solution
15:50:39 <Quent> ACTION: Vit to lead discussion about Vocabulary Management @ f2f
15:52:11 <Quent> JonP: Discussion about Recipe per say (1 hr) and a section relationship between Recipe and Cool URIs
15:52:55 <Quent> ... discussion between Recipe and related recently published document (1/2 hr)
15:54:37 <TomB> ...Recipes 2 hours if we include topic relationship to related documents
15:55:16 <Zakim> -Sean
15:55:17 <Zakim> -Edsu
15:55:18 <Zakim> -Antoine_Isaac
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15:55:20 <Zakim> -benadida
15:55:21 <Zakim> -Vit
15:55:22 <Zakim> -Daniel
15:55:23 <Zakim> -JonP
15:55:24 <Zakim> -Quentin
15:55:30 <Zakim> -Clay
15:55:33 <RalphS> zakim, list participants
15:55:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TomB, Clay, +012242aaaa, Ralph, Edsu, Quentin, Michael_Hausenblas, Antoine_Isaac, Vit, Daniel, JonP, Sean, Simone, benadida
15:55:40 <Zakim> -Simone
15:55:46 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:55:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html RalphS
15:56:00 <edsu> edsu has left #swd
15:56:18 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public
15:57:05 <RalphS> Quentin, could you do any cleanup you feel is necessary to http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html and mail me an edited version of that document, please?
16:09:59 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> I see 17 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-actions.rdf :
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main point [1]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-28-27
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TomB to Cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main points + send to Working Group mailing list [2]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-30-18
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04] [3]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-30-32
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05] [4]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-30-54
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05] [5]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-31-16
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean to prepare readings and discussion topics for Semantic Relation properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]  [6]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-32-33
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine to make wiki page or list posting summarizing issues for "Concept Semantics" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action07] [7]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-32-58
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about Issue-36 ConceptSchemeContainment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [8]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-34-25
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08] [9]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-35-13
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Diego and Justin to review document prior to f2f [10]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-37-27
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ed to review doc b4 f2f  [11]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-38-07
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to raise question three from Misha's email -- statements (creator, date modified, confidence...) about statements -- with the RDFa group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action11] [12]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-38-52
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/16) -- formerly known as "Recipe issue 1.3" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [13]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-40-39
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jon to clarify reading list and discussion points for Amsterdam agenda topic "Receipes" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action13] [14]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-41-04
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elisa will configure IPTC from Misha's email into vocabulary management documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action12] [15]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-42-53
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06] [16]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-44-39
16:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Vit to lead discussion about Vocabulary Management @ f2f [17]
16:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-50-39
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16:11:22 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:11:25 <Zakim> -TomB