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15:02:45 <Steven> zakim, this will be forms
15:02:45 <Zakim> ok, Steven, I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM already started
15:02:49 <Nick> zakim, this is forms
15:02:49 <Zakim> Nick, this was already HTML_Forms()11:00AM
15:02:50 <Zakim> ok, Nick; that matches HTML_Forms()11:00AM
15:02:53 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
15:02:55 <Charlie> zakim, who is here?
15:02:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IBM], +1.919.254.aaaa, Leigh_Klotz, +1.541.753.aabb
15:02:56 <Nick> zakim, code?
15:02:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Nick
15:02:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Nick, Blake, Roger, wellsk, klotz, Charlie, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:03:01 <Charlie> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
15:03:01 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
15:03:05 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:03:07 <Steven> Chair: Erik
15:03:14 <Blake> zakim, +1541 is me
15:03:14 <Zakim> +Blake; got it
15:03:16 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
15:03:16 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
15:03:44 <wellsk> zakim, aaaa is wellsk
15:03:44 <Zakim> +wellsk; got it
15:03:45 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Sep/0055
15:03:52 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Sep/0055
15:03:55 <unl> unl has joined #forms
15:04:00 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:04:01 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:04:02 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:04:04 <Zakim> +Steven
15:04:13 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:04:13 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:04:14 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
15:04:14 <Roger_> Roger_ has joined #forms
15:04:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Blake, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Steven
15:04:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, Nick, Blake, Roger, wellsk, klotz, Charlie, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:04:25 <Roger_> zakim, code?
15:04:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger_
15:05:22 <Zakim> +Hal_Lockhart
15:05:44 <Zakim> + +49.336.293.aacc
15:05:50 <Steven> zakim, Hal is Roger_
15:05:50 <Zakim> +Roger_; got it
15:06:04 <Steven> zakim, aacc is Uli
15:06:05 <Zakim> +Uli; got it
15:06:15 <unl> zakim, 49.336.293.aacc is me
15:06:24 <ErikBruchez> ErikBruchez has joined #forms
15:06:24 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
15:06:25 <Zakim> sorry, unl, I do not recognize a party named '49.336.293.aacc'
15:06:38 <unl> zakim, +49.336.293.aacc is me
15:06:39 <Zakim> sorry, unl, I do not recognize a party named '+49.336.293.aacc'
15:06:43 <ErikBruchez> hi guys, I just need 1 minute
15:06:55 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
15:06:58 <Steven> zakim, mute me
15:07:00 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
15:07:23 <unl> zakim, Uli is me
15:07:23 <Zakim> +unl; got it
15:07:28 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
15:07:31 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:07:31 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:08:01 <klotz> i pretty much have to go now, sorry.
15:08:35 <markbirbeck> anyone here?
15:08:43 <markbirbeck> or is my phone faulty?
15:08:48 <unl> zakim, who is here ?
15:08:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, wellsk, Blake, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Steven (muted), Roger_, unl (muted), +020876aadd
15:08:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see Nick, ErikBruchez, Roger_, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, Blake, wellsk, klotz, Charlie, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:09:13 <markbirbeck> mmm...would someone mind saying something? :)
15:09:24 <Steven> ack me
15:09:54 <wellsk> is there talking on the phone?  or is it my phone?
15:10:05 <Zakim> +??P14
15:10:18 <ErikBruchez> zakim, ??P14 is ebruchez
15:10:18 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
15:10:32 <Nick> zakim, who is here?
15:10:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, wellsk, Blake, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Steven, Roger_, unl (muted), +020876aadd, ebruchez
15:10:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Nick, ErikBruchez, Roger_, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, Blake, wellsk, klotz, Charlie, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:10:35 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:10:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, wellsk, Blake, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Steven, Roger_, unl (muted), +020876aadd, ebruchez
15:11:13 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aa
15:11:13 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'aa'
15:11:38 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aadd
15:11:40 <Zakim> ok, markbirbeck, I now associate you with +020876aadd
15:12:24 <unl> oh no!!!
15:12:33 <unl> zakim, unmute me
15:12:33 <Zakim> unl should no longer be muted
15:13:45 <Nick> ack me
15:15:13 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:15:13 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:16:36 <ErikBruchez> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=90;user=guest;statetype=1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
15:17:49 <Nick> blake I need the minutes in the irc or in leigh's format to get the resolutions and actions out of it...
15:18:32 <Nick> so maybe we can enter the actions and resolutions on irc 
15:19:00 <Steven> We can put the actions here
15:20:29 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:20:30 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:21:25 <Nick> and what with select1?
15:23:00 <Steven> there's no ambiguity with select1
15:23:12 <Steven> so empty should be allowed, and just work
15:24:39 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2006/xforms-for-html-authors-part2.html#Selecting
15:27:03 <Steven> Proposed RESOLUTION: Define that it is undefined what empty value elements in a select element mean
15:27:14 <Steven> s/Define/Say/
15:41:57 <ErikBruchez> Proposed resolution: Select items with blanks or empty values do not affect the storage value and these items should not be selectable by the user.
15:41:58 <Nick> blank is not well defined in out spec, does it include required space or other spaces, prob. not but if we don't define it is ambiguous
15:42:45 <Charlie> +1
15:42:53 <Steven> OK by me
15:42:56 <Nick> its ok for me
15:43:17 <Nick> I was only worried for the definition of blank
15:44:07 <ErikBruchez> RESOLUTION: Select items with blanks or empty values do not affect the storage value and these items should not be selectable by the user.
15:44:26 <Steven> Scribe: Nick
15:44:33 <Steven> SCribenick: Nick
15:44:35 <Nick> RESOLUTION: Select items with blanks or empty values do not affect the storage value and these items should not be selectable by the user.
15:45:23 <Nick> ACTION: Erik to add text for select items with blanks or empty values do not affect the storage value and these items should not be selectable by the user (and have definition or better wording for blank).
15:45:23 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-415 - Add text for select items with blanks or empty values do not affect the storage value and these items should not be selectable by the user (and have definition or better wording for blank). [on Erik Bruchez - due 2007-09-26].
15:46:03 <Steven> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=88;user=guest;statetype=1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
15:49:09 <Nick> I read it like this too
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15:50:06 <Nick> but what happens if you select a third value does the invalid value disapear?I guess yes
15:54:25 <Nick> I think that they should now that they are out of range if there is data in the instance that is not selectable
15:55:15 <Nick> that is an implmentation detail I think, does the spec defines that you can't remove the invalid value if you change the select?
15:55:43 <Roger_> Our implementation ignores the storaged values not present in the itemset, not throwing any error.
15:56:07 <Nick> because the value of the control changes and the new value is the space seperated value of all the selected options
15:56:41 <Nick> ack me
15:58:31 <ErikBruchez> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/Controls?id=89;user=guest;statetype=1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
15:58:49 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:58:49 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:00:41 <Nick> ack me
16:01:00 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:01:00 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:01:12 <Nick> as additional item
16:02:10 <Nick> ack me
16:05:24 <ErikBruchez> Proposed resolution for issue 89: We agree that the control present an out-of-range condition in this scenario, and to rewrite the paragraph to clarify that behavior.
16:05:58 <ErikBruchez> s/issue 89/issue 88
16:06:17 <Charlie> +1
16:06:25 <Nick> I can live with it
16:06:29 <Zakim> -Charlie
16:06:32 <ErikBruchez> Proposed resolution for issue 89: We propose that the behavior be non-destructive and choose option 2a.
16:07:03 <Nick> RESOLUTION: issue 89 we agree that the control present an out-of-range condition in this scenario, and to rewrite the paragraph to clarify that behavior.
16:07:15 <Roger_> byw
16:07:15 <Zakim> - +020876aadd
16:07:16 <Zakim> -wellsk
16:07:17 <Zakim> -Steven
16:07:21 <Zakim> -Blake
16:07:22 <Zakim> -unl
16:07:23 <Zakim> -Roger_
16:07:28 <wellsk> wellsk has left #forms
16:07:51 <Nick> ACTION: Erik Clarify pargraph about out ouf range state on select
16:07:51 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-416 - Clarify pargraph about out ouf range state on select [on Erik Bruchez - due 2007-09-26].
16:07:58 <ErikBruchez> Nick, the first resolution is for issue 88
16:08:10 <ErikBruchez> the second one for issue 89
16:08:10 <Nick> RESOLUTION: issue 89 we propose that the behavior be non-destructive and choose option 2a.
16:08:28 <Nick> ACTION: Erik add text for issue 89 we propose that the behavior be non-destructive and choose option 2a.
16:08:28 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-417 - Add text for issue 89 we propose that the behavior be non-destructive and choose option 2a. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2007-09-26].
16:08:39 <ErikBruchez> bye
16:08:40 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:08:50 <ErikBruchez> do we need to do anything to register the action items?
16:08:54 <ErikBruchez> that's done right?
16:09:09 <ErikBruchez> the minutes were taken offline by Blake
16:09:19 <ErikBruchez> I assume this means we don't need to make them
16:09:28 <ErikBruchez> or do we need the IRC minutes?
16:09:33 <ErikBruchez> right
16:09:40 <ErikBruchez> do you know how to do this?
16:10:07 <ErikBruchez> actions?
16:10:18 <Nick> rrsagent, make minutes 
16:10:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-forms-minutes.html Nick
16:10:41 <ErikBruchez> great, bye bye
16:10:47 <Nick> rrsagent, make minutes 
16:10:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-forms-minutes.html Nick
16:10:55 <Nick> rssagent, bye
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16:13:46 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.919.254.aaaa, Leigh_Klotz, +1.541.753.aabb, Charlie, Blake, wellsk, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Steven, Hal_Lockhart, +49.336.293.aacc, Roger_, markbirbeck, unl,
16:13:48 <Zakim> ... ebruchez
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