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13:54:41 <shadi> zakim, this will be ERT
13:54:41 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:54:46 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:54:49 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:54:59 <shadi> regrets: Reinhard
13:55:40 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Sep/0024.html
13:55:54 <shadi> agenda+ Pointer Methods
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14:00:19 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
14:00:21 <Zakim> +CarlosV
14:00:34 <JohannesK> zakim, carlosv is really JohannesK
14:00:34 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
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14:03:32 <Zakim> +JohannesK.a
14:03:34 <Zakim> -JohannesK.a
14:03:35 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:04:15 <JohannesK> zakim, klaus is really CarlosV
14:04:15 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
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14:06:27 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:06:41 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
14:06:54 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:06:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohannesK, CarlosV, Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias
14:07:11 <shadi> regrets: Reinhard, David
14:08:11 <shadi> agenda+ Teleconference time
14:08:44 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Pointer Methods" taken up [from shadi]
14:09:31 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Sep/0022
14:11:56 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
14:12:06 <shadi> any comments on the model?
14:17:29 <shadi> jk: why is the a pointer property in the pointer class?
14:17:31 <shadi> Pointer (ptr:pointer)
14:18:20 <shadi> ci: Pointer class is abstract and sholdn't have that property
14:18:47 <shadi> jk: pointergroup needs it, should move it there
14:19:06 <carlosI> JK: should move pointer propery to PointerGroup
14:19:43 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:20:11 <shadi> StartCharOffsetPointer
14:20:12 <Zakim> +CarlosV
14:22:00 <shadi> saz: StartCharOffsetPointer has an offset pointer, which has a type
14:23:36 <shadi> ci: offset is an integer
14:24:56 <shadi> saz: should the range be an integer or rather offsetpointer?
14:26:00 <shadi> jk: repetition to offset in offsetpointer class, so should also be an integer
14:26:11 <shadi> saz: we can rename, what model is better?
14:32:21 <shadi> jk: difference between offsetpointer and startoffsetpointer is that the first starts from the beginning of the referenced resource, while the other somewhere else
14:41:18 <shadi> saz: why do we specific the end pointers but not the start pointers of compound pointers?
14:41:34 <shadi> ci: adds semantics, easier to query
14:42:32 <shadi> jk: snippet is a literal and has a different meaning than offset (which is always an integer)
14:42:51 <shadi> ...byte snippet would probably need to be base64 encoded
14:48:12 <shadi> ...how can this be defined in the schema?
14:48:43 <shadi> ci: can't specify more at the schema level
14:50:37 <shadi> jk: propose two properties, one for each type of property
14:51:19 <shadi> saz: can rdf:subpropertyof work?
14:53:34 <shadi> jk: do we need sup-classes of snippetpointer if we have sub-properites of snippet?
14:56:04 <shadi> saz: what about sub-property of pointer property for each pointer type?
14:58:24 <shadi> action: CI develop an RDF schema based on that hierarchy and send to the list for discussion and optimization
14:58:36 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:58:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Teleconference time" taken up [from shadi]
15:05:07 <Zakim> -JohannesK
15:05:08 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
15:05:10 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:05:12 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
15:05:13 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:05:14 <Zakim> Attendees were JohannesK, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, CarlosV, Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias
15:12:34 <shadi> zakim, bye
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15:12:42 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:12:48 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:12:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-er-minutes.html shadi
15:12:49 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:12:55 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
15:12:55 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/19-er-actions.rdf :
15:12:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CI develop an RDF schema based on that hierarchy and send to the list for discussion and optimization [1]
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