IRC log of swd on 2007-09-18

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14:51:55 [TomB]

rrsagent, bookmark

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See http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T14-51-55

14:52:02 [TomB]

zakim, this will be swd

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ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started

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Meeting: SWD WG

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Chair: Tom

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0037.html

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Regrets: Alistair, Diego, Ralph

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rrsagent, please make record public

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Regrets+ Clay, Guus

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+??P25

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+JonP

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+ +1.317.031.aaaa

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Scribe: Antoine

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+[LC]

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Scribenick: antoine

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+??P52

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+??P54

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Topic: ADMIN

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Tom: proposed to accept minutes

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... RESOLVED to accept minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html

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... F2F meeting

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ACTION all to register (indicate also that you're not planning to attend and/or want to attend via telecon)

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... continues

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-- continues

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ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08]

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--- continues

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Topic: SKOS

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ACTION: TomB to update Issue list to mark ISSUE-38 "CompatibilityWithOWL-DL" as "postponed" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/38) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action03]

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-- DONE

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ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]

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-- CONTINUES

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ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]

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-- CONTINUES

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+??P66

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ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]

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Zakim, ??P66 is me

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+Simone; got it

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Amsterdam topic "Labeling properties" (Alistair)

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Tom: anybody to comment?

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... idea was to finalize was were the relevant topics for each issues

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... help us to prepare individually for discussion

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... Alistair not here so we move up

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Amsterdam topic "Semantic Relation Properties" (Sean)

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Sean: had no time to work on it

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... i will try to put together some pieces of readings

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Tom: bullet points and links to most salient emails

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... would be helpful

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ACTION: Sean to prepare readings and discussion topics for Semantic Relation properties

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Amsterdam topic "Concept Semantics" (Antoine)

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Antoine: tricky issue to write things on. Before next telecon, will have more precise list of problems raised...

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...going back through mailing list - 3-4 threads mention this...

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...may come with proposed resolution to compare.

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ACTION: Antoine to make wiki page or list posting summarizing issues for "Concept Semantics"

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ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about the issue of containment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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+Ben_Adida

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Tom: we still don't have a discussion leader

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... I'll ask for volunteers

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... we need to consider issue-36 on containment in this context

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.. no volonteer today let's move it to next week

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Topic: RDFa

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ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08]

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Ben: one specific issue for the agenda

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... should be : are we ready to go for REC track

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... what is missing?

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Tom: not everybody at the meeting will be familiar

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... it would be useful to compile what are the minimum info to have

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... and the question you will ask the WG

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Ben: it would be great if everybody could read the primer

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Tom: the important thing is to capture scope of discussion

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Ben: I'll make it in one doc/email

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ACTION: Guus to raise question three from Misha's email -- statements (creator, date modified, confidence...) about statements -- with the RDFa group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action11]

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Topic: Receipes

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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/16) -- formerly known as "Recipe issue 1.3" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]

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see comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0036.html

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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/60

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ACTION: JonP to add questions 1 and 2 from IPTC question -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0023.html -- as recipe issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action10]

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-- DONE

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Tom: Amsterdam topic "Recipes": NO DISCUSSION LEADER YET

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Jon volunteers unless Diego has objection

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Tom: we need to be more precise in terms of requirement reading, expectations

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... additionnally to http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda#Recipes

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... distinction between required reading and background reading

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Jon: I'll do that

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Tom: reading list should be as tight as possible but provide enough context

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ACTION: Jon to clarify reading list and discussion points for Amsterdam agenda topic "Receipes"

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Topic: Vocabulary management

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ACTION: Elisa will configure IPTC from Misha's email into vocabulary management documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action12]

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-- CONTINUES

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ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06]

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-- CONTINUES

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TOm: SWD review of "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"

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... can michale, vit and ed can post something on the list about this?

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s/michale/michael

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Answer: yes

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Tom: Amsterdam topic "Vocabulary Management" (Ralph locally, Elisa remotely)

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... moved to next week (Ralph and Eliza not here)

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Tom: meeting is adjourned

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-Ben_Adida

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-Seanb

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-Ed

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-Vit

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-dlrubin

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-Simone

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Zakim, list participants

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As of this point the attendees have been dlrubin, JonP, +1.317.031.aaaa, Antoine, Ed, Seanb, Vit, Simone, Ben_Adida

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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RRSAgent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html Antoine

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zakim, list participants

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As of this point the attendees have been dlrubin, JonP, +1.317.031.aaaa, Antoine, Ed, Seanb, Vit, Simone, Ben_Adida, TomB

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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RRSAgent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html Antoine

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-Jon_Phipps

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Zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were dlrubin, JonP, +1.317.031.aaaa, Antoine, Ed, Seanb, Vit, Simone, Ben_Adida, TomB

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 15 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08] [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-08-16-1

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ACTION: TomB to update Issue list to mark ISSUE-38 "CompatibilityWithOWL-DL" as "postponed" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/38) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action03] [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-08-51

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ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04] [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-09-12

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ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05] [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-09-26

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ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05] [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-09-37

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ACTION: Sean to prepare readings and discussion topics for Semantic Relation properties [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-13-04

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ACTION: Antoine to make wiki page or list posting summarizing issues for "Concept Semantics" [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-16-48

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ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about the issue of containment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-17-21

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ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08] [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-19-04

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ACTION: Guus to raise question three from Misha's email -- statements (creator, date modified, confidence...) about statements -- with the RDFa group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action11] [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-21-58

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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/16) -- formerly known as "Recipe issue 1.3" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-22-27

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ACTION: JonP to add questions 1 and 2 from IPTC question -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0023.html -- as recipe issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action10] [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-22-50-1

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ACTION: Jon to clarify reading list and discussion points for Amsterdam agenda topic "Receipes" [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-27-06

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ACTION: Elisa will configure IPTC from Misha's email into vocabulary management documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action12] [14]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-27-25

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ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06] [15]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-irc#T15-27-39

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