14:32:27 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #dawg
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14:32:29 <LeeF> zakim, this is dawg
14:32:29 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; that matches SW_DAWG()10:30AM
14:32:34 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:32:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P29, EricP, LeeF
14:32:43 <AndyS> zakim, ??P29 is me
14:32:43 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:32:56 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0155.html
14:33:03 <LeeF> Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly
14:33:14 <LeeF> AndyS, can I interest you in scribing pretty please?
14:33:18 <Zakim> +??P32
14:33:26 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P32 is me
14:33:26 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:33:51 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:34:23 <LeeF> Scribe: AndyS
14:34:29 <LeeF> agenda + convene
14:34:33 <LeeF> agenda + actions
14:34:38 <Zakim> +??P33
14:34:40 <LeeF> agenda + metadata in xml result format
14:34:58 <iv_an_ru> Zakim, P33 is me
14:34:58 <Zakim> sorry, iv_an_ru, I do not recognize a party named 'P33'
14:35:00 <LeeF> agenda - 3
14:35:05 <LeeF> agenda + xml result format
14:35:08 <LeeF> agenda + protocol testing
14:35:12 <iv_an_ru> Zakim, ??P33 is me
14:35:12 <Zakim> +iv_an_ru; got it
14:35:12 <LeeF> agenda + mf:requires
14:35:15 <LeeF> agenda + implementation report
14:35:23 <LeeF> agenda + towards PR
14:35:40 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/att-0134/2007-09-11-dawg-minutes.html minutes from last week
14:35:55 <Zakim> +??P9
14:36:19 <LeeF> minutes approved
14:36:25 <AndyS> Seconded: AndyS
14:36:27 <LeeF> Regrets: chimezie
14:36:45 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
14:36:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, EricP, LeeF, SteveH, iv_an_ru, ??P9
14:36:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, iv_an_ru, AndyS, afs, SteveH, LeeF, ericP
14:37:00 <LeeF> zakim, ??P9 is Orri
14:37:00 <Zakim> +Orri; got it
14:37:16 <AndyS> Meet next week: 25 September
14:37:43 <AndyS> Regrets in advance: Orri and Ivan
14:37:52 <iv_an_ru> I agree with moving to CR in advance :)
14:38:10 <AndyS> LeeF: please track DAWG as we will attempt to plan to move to PR.
14:38:14 <AndyS> ... next week
14:38:27 <AndyS> Orri: diffs of rq25 are OK
14:38:30 <LeeF> zakim, take up next agendum
14:38:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "convene" taken up [from LeeF]
14:38:33 <Souri> Souri has joined #dawg
14:38:34 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
14:38:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:38:35 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:38:37 <LeeF> zakim, take up next agendum
14:38:37 <Zakim> 2. actions [from LeeF]
14:38:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "actions" taken up [from LeeF]
14:38:44 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to have first cut of shiny implementation report by 11 Sep [DONE]
14:38:55 <LeeF> ACTION: Orri and Ivan to publish URL to test service along with a list of tests that aren't handled correctly yet [DONE]
14:39:10 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to try SOAP protocol tests against Joseki and Virtuoso 
14:39:10 <LeeF> endpoints
14:39:19 <iv_an_ru> I'm releasing next version of the test suite today.
14:39:24 <Zakim> +Souri
14:39:31 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS to try SOAP protocol tests against Joseki and Virtuoso endpoints [DONE]
14:39:38 <LeeF> action -3
14:39:49 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to update open-world manifest with mf:requires for open-eq-12 [DONE]
14:40:04 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to update Turtle data to have explicit lexical forms and answer Gregory W's mail [DONE]
14:40:17 <AndyS> and Andy checked the changes
14:40:26 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]
14:40:59 <AndyS> LeeF: when we advance, should we prompt IETF harder?
14:41:04 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to put together CR transition request for SPARQL XML format and ericP to publish [CONTINUES]
14:41:33 <AndyS> EricP: it should just happen
14:41:48 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [DONE]
14:41:58 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [CONTINUES]
14:42:13 <LeeF> ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [CONTINUES]
14:42:23 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES]
14:43:35 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to incorporate text to fix EBV of illformed numeric literals bug in spec [DONE]
14:43:37 <LeeF> """
14:43:38 <LeeF> The EBV of any literal whose type is xsd:boolean, xsd:string or numeric is false if the lexical form is not valid for that datatype (e.g. "abc"^^xsd:integer).
14:43:39 <LeeF> """
14:43:48 <Zakim> -iv_an_ru
14:43:49 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to try to produce a diff from CR to current editor's draft [DONE]
14:43:57 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
14:43:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:43:58 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:43:59 <Zakim> 4. xml result format [from LeeF]
14:44:01 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
14:44:01 <Zakim> agendum 4. "xml result format" taken up [from LeeF]
14:44:18 <Zakim> +??P7
14:44:31 <iv_an_ru> Zakim, ??P7 is me
14:44:31 <Zakim> +iv_an_ru; got it
14:45:39 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf- 
14:45:39 <LeeF> dawg-comments/2005Jun/0028.html
14:45:57 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Jun/0028.html original comment that prompted <link> element
14:46:02 <AndyS> LeeF: History of link element and summary of discussions with Alan
14:46:31 <AndyS> Alan proposes inline metadata to avoid server state.
14:46:42 <ericP> q+ to note a potential fix to [[• The EBV of any literal whose type is xsd:boolean, xsd:string or numeric is false if the lexical form is not valid for that datatype (e.g. "abc"^^xsd:integer).]]
14:47:01 <AndyS> ... comment is very late in process.
14:47:26 <AndyS> ... would cost another cycle (at least one month).
14:48:01 <AndyS> LeeF asks for WG support ... none forthcoming.
14:48:29 <AndyS> ACTION: LeeF: Reply to Alan's comment on metadata in SPARQL XML Results format
14:48:59 <AndyS> EricP: notes binding of, e.g. SOAP, has features.
14:49:19 <AndyS> ...to support state
14:49:50 <AndyS> LeeF: status: waiting for W3C approval on process
14:49:54 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
14:49:54 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, LeeF
14:50:05 <LeeF> ack ericp
14:50:05 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to note a potential fix to [[• The EBV of any literal whose type is xsd:boolean, xsd:string or numeric is false if the lexical form is not valid for that
14:50:09 <Zakim> ... datatype (e.g. "abc"^^xsd:integer).]]
14:52:20 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/rq25.html#ebv EBV text (only defined for strings, booleans, numerics)
14:52:29 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
14:52:29 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:52:30 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:52:31 <Zakim> 5. protocol testing [from LeeF]
14:53:29 <LeeF> "Effective boolean value arguments (labeled "xsd:boolean (EBV)" in the operator mapping table below), are coerced to xsd:boolean using the EBV rules in section 11.2.2 ."
14:53:53 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
14:53:53 <Zakim> agendum 5. "protocol testing" taken up [from LeeF]
14:54:57 <AndyS> Chair has feedback from implementers about existing HTTP bindings
14:55:12 <AndyS> ... Elias will have the protocol tests running
14:55:30 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0149.html about SOAP versions
14:57:32 <AndyS> AndyS: Virtuoso have offered to back port to SOAP 1.1
14:58:10 <imitko> imitko has joined #dawg
14:59:26 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
14:59:26 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:59:27 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:59:28 <Zakim> 6. mf:requires [from LeeF]
14:59:29 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
14:59:29 <Zakim> agendum 6. "mf:requires" taken up [from LeeF]
14:59:59 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0147.html beginning documentation of mf:requires
15:00:03 <LeeF> zakim, who's speaking?
15:00:14 <Zakim> LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Orri (15%), SteveH (8%)
15:00:41 <SteveH> there's a lot of background noise here, sorry
15:03:27 <AndyS> Change to use mf:XsdDateOperation 
15:04:08 <AndyS> mf:IllFormedLiterals -- actually used for tricky bits, not extension
15:05:20 <LeeF> mf:trickyBitOfSparql ?
15:05:53 <LeeF> mf:notewell ?
15:07:35 <iv_an_ru> mf:mayAccessAndReturnUnexpectedDataFromGraphsNotListedInManifest ? :)
15:08:32 <AndyS> ACTION: AndyS: Invent and document an alternative to mf:requires for things that are noteable but not extensions in the test suite
15:08:44 <LeeF> mf:LangCaseInsensitivity can be struck
15:09:53 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to check and annotate open-eq-07 and -10 with mf:LangTagAwareness
15:11:15 <LeeF> strike mf:xsd-date-eq-xsd-dateTime
15:11:41 <iv_an_ru> Don't remember me about datetimes...
15:11:52 <Zakim> -iv_an_ru
15:12:18 <AndyS> ACTION: AndyS: Update vocabulary files and README for test 
15:12:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:12:37 <iv_an_ru> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:12:37 <Zakim> +iv_an_ru; got it
15:12:47 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
15:12:47 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
15:12:48 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:12:50 <Zakim> 7. implementation report [from LeeF]
15:12:51 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
15:12:51 <Zakim> agendum 7. "implementation report" taken up [from LeeF]
15:12:54 <AndyS> ACTION: AndyS: Update manifest for mf:requires
15:15:12 <LeeF> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/implementations first draft of implementation report
15:15:13 <AndyS> LeeF: more results expected
15:16:36 <ericP> -> http://mouni.local/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/impl_report.pl the SPARQL queries (and surrounding script) for generating the impl report
15:18:08 <AndyS> EricP: A test passes if ...
15:18:36 <AndyS> ... no tests => green box (??)
15:18:45 <LeeF> (it's a mistake in the algorithm)
15:18:46 <iv_an_ru> Why not ?
15:19:05 <AndyS> ... for any facet, there are certain tests associated with it
15:19:30 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [DONE]
15:20:29 <AndyS> ... if two facets on a test, test processor calculates the best match as to which facet is the fail
15:21:06 <AndyS> ... (e.g. already failed elsewhere for one facet => don't mark a failure for other facet) 
15:22:54 <AndyS> LeeF suggests seeking wisdom in reporting coverage
15:25:03 <AndyS> Steve: can pass some facets without any implementation
15:35:18 <LeeF> No matter what, I intend to publish _all_ of the data we have
15:35:55 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
15:35:55 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
15:35:56 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:35:58 <Zakim> 8. towards PR [from LeeF]
15:35:59 <LeeF> zakim, next agendum
15:35:59 <Zakim> agendum 8. "towards PR" taken up [from LeeF]
15:36:23 <LeeF> "A test suite gives reasonable coverage of the features of the query language."
15:36:42 <LeeF> "Each identified SPARQL feature has at least two implementations."
15:36:54 <AndyS> (exit criteria for CR)
15:36:56 <LeeF> "Relevant media types are registered:"
15:37:08 <LeeF> "Normative dependencies have been advanced to Proposed Recommendation status:"
15:37:13 <ericP> HOG++
15:37:44 <AndyS> Our normative dependences are already at REC (Xquery, F&O)
15:38:54 <AndyS> Need to decide on "at risk" features: REDUCED, leading numbers in local part of prefixed names
15:39:02 <LeeF> also: what to do with syntax tests?
15:39:29 <Zakim> -SteveH
15:39:34 <LeeF> SteveH, do you implement REDUCED?
15:39:37 <SteveH> yes
15:39:40 <LeeF> thx
15:40:13 <iv_an_ru> I'm implementing REDUCED before Friday, BTW.
15:40:18 <LeeF> :-)
15:40:22 <AndyS> Leef: Does anyone want to propose removing REDUCED?
15:40:27 <AndyS> (silence follows)
15:40:28 <SteveH> REDUCED is a big optimisation win for me in certain circumstances
15:40:41 <iv_an_ru> I've found REDUCED very useful for at least one optimization.
15:41:13 <LeeF> Great, good feedback to have.
15:41:17 <SteveH> but maybe if I had a streaming DISTINCT impl. it wouldn't be so useful
15:41:40 <AndyS> There is no "REDUCED" in the test suite.
15:42:01 <iv_an_ru> REDUCED is especially useful when there's a join between union that is faster when UNION and union that is faster when it's UNION ALL.
15:43:14 <AndyS> LeeF: Leading digits. 
15:43:16 <AndyS>  Several implementions support it
15:43:38 <AndyS> LeeF: asks for proposals NOT to keep this feature.
15:44:17 <AndyS> ... needs to get into interop report.
15:46:28 <AndyS> Eric: Min is 4 week in PR.
15:47:28 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to investigate PR mechanics, put together draft transition request
15:48:09 <AndyS> Ivan: Mitko has deployed a SOAP 1.1 endpoint
15:48:27 <iv_an_ru> Andy, I know.
15:49:21 <AndyS> Souri: working to export RDF_MATCH to SPARQL query engine.
15:51:07 <AndyS> ADJOURNED
15:51:20 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:51:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html AndyS
15:51:20 <LeeF> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:51:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-minutes.html LeeF
15:51:24 <Zakim> -EricP
15:51:25 <LeeF> :-)
15:51:25 <Zakim> -Souri
15:51:30 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:51:34 <AndyS> rrsagent, plase make minutes world-readable
15:51:34 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'plase make minutes world-readable', AndyS.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:51:35 <Zakim> -iv_an_ru
15:51:36 <LeeF> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:51:43 <AndyS> rrsagent, please make minutes world-readable
15:51:43 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes world-readable', AndyS.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:52:00 <LeeF> s/readable/access
15:52:11 <AndyS> rrsagent, make miutes world-access
15:52:11 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make miutes world-access', AndyS.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:52:15 <AndyS> rrsagent, make minutes world-access
15:52:15 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world-access', AndyS.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:52:28 <LeeF> logs :-)
15:52:37 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs world-access
15:52:47 <ericP> tada!
15:52:54 <AndyS> zakim, please leave
15:52:54 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were EricP, LeeF, AndyS, SteveH, iv_an_ru, Orri, Souri
15:52:54 <Zakim> Zakim has left #dawg
15:53:00 <AndyS> rrsagent, please leave
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> I see 20 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-actions.rdf :
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to have first cut of shiny implementation report by 11 Sep [DONE] [1]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-38-44
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Orri and Ivan to publish URL to test service along with a list of tests that aren't handled correctly yet [DONE] [2]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-38-55
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS to try SOAP protocol tests against Joseki and Virtuoso endpoints [DONE] [4]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-39-31
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to update open-world manifest with mf:requires for open-eq-12 [DONE] [5]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-39-49
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to update Turtle data to have explicit lexical forms and answer Gregory W's mail [DONE] [6]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-40-04
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES] [7]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-40-26
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to put together CR transition request for SPARQL XML format and ericP to publish [CONTINUES] [8]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-41-04
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [DONE] [9]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-41-48
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [CONTINUES] [10]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-41-58
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [CONTINUES] [11]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-42-13
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES] [12]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-42-23
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to incorporate text to fix EBV of illformed numeric literals bug in spec [DONE] [13]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-43-35
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to try to produce a diff from CR to current editor's draft [DONE] [14]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-43-49
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF: Reply to Alan's comment on metadata in SPARQL XML Results format [15]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T14-48-29
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS: Invent and document an alternative to mf:requires for things that are noteable but not extensions in the test suite [16]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T15-08-32
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to check and annotate open-eq-07 and -10 with mf:LangTagAwareness [17]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T15-09-53
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS: Update vocabulary files and README for test  [18]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T15-12-18
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: AndyS: Update manifest for mf:requires [19]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T15-12-54
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [DONE] [20]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T15-19-30
15:53:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LeeF to investigate PR mechanics, put together draft transition request [21]
15:53:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-dawg-irc#T15-47-28