IRC log of i18nits on 2007-09-12

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meeting: i18n ITS WG

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chair: Felix

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scribe: Felix

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0025.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Jirka

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+Felix

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+[SAP]

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0025.html

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topic: action items

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ACTION-1 draft general section about extending/customizing schemas - ongoing

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0093.html

14:05:20 [fsasaki]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0094.html

14:06:40 [fsasaki]

(discussing proposal of Jirka to add NVDL into this section)

14:13:11 [fsasaki]

Christian will rework the section based on Jirkas and Felix feedkback

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Felix proposes mentioning NVDL in the list of schema languages, but making its status as a "meta" language clear

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We will gather links to material (e.g. books and tutorials) on specific schema languages

14:14:56 [fsasaki]

We will add a health warning like "You need such material to really work on schema modularization, this document (XML 1i8n BP) is not enough for that

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related topic of NVDL example, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0094.html

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discussion on if we should have susubbsections on schema modularizations in sec. 5

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e.g. 5.1.2 for XHTML+NVDL

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agreement on this proposal, related AI for Jirka

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action: Jirka to create NVDL subsubsections in sec. 5, e.g. XHTML+NVDL

14:25:25 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-20 - Create NVDL subsubsections in sec. 5, e.g. XHTML+NVDL [on Jirka Kosek - due 2007-09-19].

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ACTION-3 pending

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ACTION-4 Of BP document to change the descriptions of ITS+existing schemas to say that there is no need to have ITS attributes for existing markup, and have association rules instead

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new due date 27 September

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ACTION-5 Markup "HEBREW TEXT, W3C" as an example

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0069.html

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references proposed by Martin http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0080.html

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Felix describes the thread

14:31:38 [fsasaki]

no objections on the call to these changes, green light to Yves to make (or finalize) all modifications

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close ACTION-5

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ACTION-6 pending

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ACTION-11 still waiting for reply

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ACTION-14 pending

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ACTION-15 waiting for reply

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ACTION-18 done

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0073.html

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http://www.langtag.net/ (BCP 47 implementations)

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discussion about whether BCP 47 is applied in other scenarios, some information available on that from http://www.bortzmeyer.org/gabuzomeu-parsing-language-tags.html

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ACTION-19 ongoing

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topic: W3C Work or other work for ITS

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no new LCs, no news on XLIFF, SRX, SMIL3

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EMMA

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0068.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-multimodal/2007Aug/0005.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-multimodal/2007Aug/att-0005/EMMA_and_ITS.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0092.html

14:48:03 [fsasaki]

agreement to send http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0092.html as an answer, WG might give additinonal input until Friday this week

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topic: BP for this week

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Best Practice 16: Specify text directionality if needed

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modification of Yves of BP 16 taking discussion into account is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0091.html

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everybody on the call is fine with Yves modifications described in 0091 mail

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Best Practice 17: Override translatability information if needed

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthTransOver

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0084.html

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everybody on the call is fine with BP 17

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Best Practice 18: Assign unique identifiers to text items when possible

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthUniqueID

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0074.html

14:56:04 [fsasaki]

everybody agrees with the "BP alignment proposal" in thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0074.html , related AI for Yves below

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action: Yves to align BP 9 and BP 18, taking thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0074.html into account

14:56:22 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-21 - Align BP 9 and BP 18, taking thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0074.html into account [on Yves Savourel - due 2007-09-19].

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Best Practice 19: Avoid CDATA sections when possible

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthCDATA

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0076.html

14:57:06 [fsasaki]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0082.html

14:57:25 [fsasaki]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0085.html

14:59:39 [fsasaki]

agreement that we should have 2 BP, one on CDATA issues, one on non-XML data embedded in XML. Proposal to have an AI for Yves to take http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0082.html thread into account and to work on these BPs

15:00:10 [fsasaki]

action: Yves to work on 2 BP, one on CDATA issues, one on non-XML data embedded in XML, and to take http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0082.html thread into account

15:00:10 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-22 - Work on 2 BP, one on CDATA issues, one on non-XML data embedded in XML, and to take http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0082.html thread into account [on Yves Savourel - due 2007-09-19].

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topic: Other business

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-Christian

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-Jirka

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-Felix

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Jirka, Felix, Christian

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Jirka to create NVDL subsubsections in sec. 5, e.g. XHTML+NVDL [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-i18nits-irc#T14-25-25

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ACTION: Yves to align BP 9 and BP 18, taking thread http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0074.html into account [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-i18nits-irc#T14-56-22

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ACTION: Yves to work on 2 BP, one on CDATA issues, one on non-XML data embedded in XML, and to take http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JulSep/0082.html thread into account [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-i18nits-irc#T15-00-10

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zakim, bye

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