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15:00:23 <vipul> rrsagent, make logs world-visible
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15:01:07 <vipul> Zakim, this is HCLS
15:01:32 <Zakim> ok, vipul; that matches SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
15:01:32 <vipul> Zakim, this is BIONT
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15:01:41 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
15:01:45 <Zakim> vipul, this was already SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
15:01:51 <Zakim> ok, vipul; that matches SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM
15:02:23 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
15:02:48 <Zakim> + +46.4.63.3.aabb
15:03:17 <Zakim> +Alan
15:03:24 <alanr> hi vipul
15:03:43 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:10 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone
15:04:10 <vipul> Zakim, ++46.4.63.3.aabb is BoAnderssen
15:04:28 <Zakim> + +1.801.736.aacc
15:04:42 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:05:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.813.396.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap, Kerstin_Forsberg, +46.4.63.3.aabb, Alan, +1.801.736.aacc, Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:05:23 <Zakim> + +1.801.736.aadd
15:05:27 <vipul> EricP, what's the status of the invited status requests?
15:05:33 <Zakim> +??P61
15:05:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', chimezie
15:05:49 <Zakim> sorry, vipul, I do not recognize a party named '++46.4.63.3.aabb'
15:05:53 <vipul> Zakim, 801.736.aadd is Tom
15:05:55 <Susie> Susie has joined #hcls
15:06:10 <vipul> Zakim, who's on the call?
15:06:39 <Zakim> +susie
15:06:47 <Zakim> sorry, vipul, I do not recognize a party named '801.736.aadd'
15:06:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.813.396.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap, Kerstin_Forsberg, +46.4.63.3.aabb, Alan, +1.801.736.aacc, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.801.736.aadd, ??P61, +1.781.662.aaee
15:07:34 <Zakim> +Eric_Neumann
15:07:42 <Susie> +1.781.662.aaee is Susie
15:08:03 <eneumann> zakim, pick a victim
15:08:03 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Alan
15:08:03 <Susie> zakim, +1.781.662.aaee is Susie
15:08:04 <Zakim> +Susie; got it
15:08:08 <vipul> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:08:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Kerstin_Forsberg
15:09:13 <eneumann> rrsagent, set log world-visible
15:09:48 <eneumann> vipul, should we see how is on the call?
15:10:01 <eneumann> I mean, who is on the call
15:10:15 <Susie> zakim, who is here?
15:10:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.813.396.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap, Kerstin_Forsberg, +46.4.63.3.aabb, Alan, +1.801.736.aacc, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.801.736.aadd, ??P61, Susie, Eric_Neumann
15:10:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susie, eneumann, chimezie, RRSAgent, Zakim, vipul, alanr, ericP, jar286
15:10:29 <eneumann> who is from 813?
15:10:51 <vipul> Rachel
15:10:59 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/BIONTDSEDCM
15:11:09 <eneumann> zakim, aaaa is Rachel
15:11:09 <Zakim> +Rachel; got it
15:11:36 <vipul> For the wiki use case Look under Use Case Scenarios
15:11:44 <vipul> and click on "Latest Use Case Descriptions"
15:11:58 <jar286> jar286 has left #hcls
15:12:27 <alanr> One issue I see is whether there needs to be an explicit marking
15:12:29 <alanr> of those criteria that can, in fact, be determined from the
15:12:31 <alanr> EMR. If not, we don't know whether a particular criterion isn't
15:12:32 <alanr> satisfied because it can't, using the information at hand, or
15:12:34 <alanr> whether it isn't satisfied. 
15:13:06 <eneumann> zakim, aacc is Stan_Huff
15:13:06 <Zakim> +Stan_Huff; got it
15:14:04 <alanr> e.g. 9.	The patient consent for contralateral prophylactic irradiation. 
15:14:05 <alanr> Not the same kind of criterion - happens after selection rather than before
15:14:20 <eneumann> zakim, aabb is Bo
15:14:20 <Zakim> +Bo; got it
15:15:10 <alanr> Similarly, 6.	Patients who are unable to lie on their back and raise their arms above their heads in the treatment planning position for radiotherapy are excluded - 
15:15:12 <alanr> Can sometimes be determined to be true (broken arms), but in many other cases not (fatigue)
15:17:07 <Zakim> + +1.336.788.aaee
15:22:09 <vipul> who's on 336?
15:23:50 <alanr> you need to also present why they satisfied criteria 
15:24:07 <alanr> e.g. navigate to treatment records to inspect them
15:27:10 <Helen> Helen has joined #hcls
15:27:45 <Zakim> +Helen_Chen
15:28:01 <chimezie> +q doing too much with post processing on cohort
15:34:50 <eneumann> believe clinical trials (CT) need a more flexible mechanism for assessing inclusion/exclusion criteria at various clinics
15:35:28 <Helen> +q
15:36:23 <vipul> ack chimezie
15:36:38 <vipul> ack Helen
15:43:07 <vipul> http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00496288?order=2
15:43:22 <vipul> http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00316836?order=4
15:43:41 <vipul> http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00445445?order=13
15:52:00 <Helen> +q
15:52:11 <Helen> q+
15:53:48 <alanr> e.g. 6.	Patients who are unable to lie on their back and raise their arms above their heads in the treatment planning position for radiotherapy are excluded - 
15:53:50 <alanr> versus:
15:53:52 <alanr> There is no condition noted in EMR  that would prevent the patient from raising arms...
15:59:25 <Zakim> -??P61
16:01:16 <Zakim> -Alan
16:01:18 <Zakim> -Bo
16:01:19 <Zakim> -Rachel
16:01:20 <Zakim> - +1.801.736.aadd
16:01:22 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
16:01:23 <Zakim> -Stan_Huff
16:01:24 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:01:25 <Zakim> -Helen_Chen
16:01:27 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
16:01:28 <Zakim> -Susie
16:01:29 <Zakim> -Eric_Neumann
16:01:41 <Zakim> - +1.336.788.aaff
16:01:42 <eneumann> action: Landen and Eric to work on high level set of candidate selection processes and activities
16:01:42 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended
16:01:46 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.813.396.aaaa, Vipul_Kashyap, Kerstin_Forsberg, +46.4.63.3.aabb, Alan, +1.801.736.aacc, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +1.801.736.aadd, susie, Eric_Neumann, Rachel, Stan_Huff,
16:01:49 <Zakim> ... Bo, +1.336.788.aaee, Helen_Chen
16:02:00 <eneumann> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-hcls-minutes.html eneumann
16:02:13 <eneumann> rrsagent, bye
16:02:13 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-hcls-actions.rdf :
16:02:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Landen and Eric to work on high level set of candidate selection processes and activities [1]
16:02:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-hcls-irc#T16-01-42