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13:55:29 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
13:55:29 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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13:55:51 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:55:55 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:56:08 <alessio> hallo steven :)
13:56:32 <Steven> Hi
13:58:09 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0003
13:58:16 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0003
13:58:57 <Steven> Apologies for late agenda. It was in my outbox, unsent because my ssh tunnel had crashed
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14:01:41 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?
14:01:41 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.
14:01:48 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
14:01:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
14:02:12 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:02:12 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:02:14 <Zakim> +Dialer
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14:03:29 <alessio> I have to exit from irc, with this proxy settings skype doesn't connect... sorry
14:04:10 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:04:10 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:08:11 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
14:08:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see markbirbeck, ShaneM, Steven
14:08:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rich, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, krijnh
14:08:16 <Zakim> +??P5
14:08:24 <Steven> zakim, ? is Rich
14:08:26 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
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14:15:41 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
14:15:54 <Steven> Topic: Announcements
14:16:48 <Steven> Steven: Next week Mark and I are at the Forms FtF and Roland is on vacation, so I priopose no call
14:16:56 <Steven> Rich: I am travelling too
14:17:02 <Steven> s/prio/pro
14:17:08 <Steven> RESOLUTION: No call next week
14:17:16 <Zakim> +??P8
14:17:27 <Steven> zakim, ? is Alessio
14:17:27 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
14:17:48 <Steven> Topic: Reviews
14:18:59 <Steven> Steven: SMIL3 uses XForms for state, so I thought I would draw out attention to it
14:19:10 <Steven> ... we haven't explicitely been called out to review it
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14:19:28 <Steven> Alessio: I am in the SYMM WG, so I can be a bridge between the WGs
14:20:03 <Steven> Topic: Role
14:20:35 <Steven> Steven: There were three comments in the html-editors list
14:20:41 <Steven> ... I would like us to go through them
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14:26:16 <Steven> Steven: So the first comment is about QNames
14:26:31 <Steven> Mark: We should use CURIEs to be consistent
14:26:42 <Steven> Rich: But we use QNames everywhere in ARIA
14:27:02 <Steven> Steven: QNames are a subset of CURIEs, so every QName is also a CURIE
14:27:19 <Steven> Rish: OK, good; we are about to go to last call, so we need to know now
14:27:25 <Steven> s/Rish/Rich/
14:27:45 <Steven> Steven: How do we feel about this?
14:27:56 <Steven> Shane: It makes our specs consistent with each other
14:28:30 <Steven> Steven: OK, well we can copy the text in from the RDFa spec, but we do need to note that QNames are a subset in the text
14:29:02 <Steven> Steven: The Modularization reference needs to be normative
14:29:06 <Steven> Shane: Indeed
14:30:44 <ShaneM>  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-role-20070817
14:31:03 <Steven> Steven: THe last comment is about the RDF Schema
14:31:08 <Steven> Shane: It is in the latest draft
14:31:13 <Steven> ... (see above)
14:31:55 <Steven> Mark: So that would deal with that comment
14:32:12 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to DanC's three comments on role
14:32:15 <markbirbeck> If we modify the CURIES section to include the idea of qnames then we could put the same text back into rdfa and of course the curies draft itself.
14:32:58 <Steven> Mark: In the CURIEs draft, is it worth saying that you can paste the text defining CURIEs directly into specs?
14:33:05 <Steven> ... (as we aredoing now)
14:33:13 <Steven> s/are/are /
14:33:57 <ShaneM> What I have done is said: 
14:33:57 <ShaneM> <p> In order to allow for the compact expression of RDF statements, 
14:33:57 <ShaneM> RDFa uses a superset of QNames [QName] that allows the contraction of all URIs (QNames have a syntactic restriction on the sorts of URI that can be contracted).</p
14:38:10 <Rich>  http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/ARIA/BestPractices
14:38:13 <Steven> Steven: Should I point him to any test suites?
14:38:23 <Steven> Rich: We have the ARIA stuff
14:38:24 <Rich> in the appendix
14:38:43 <Steven> Shane: We will be producing a test suite as agreed a couple of weeks ago
14:38:50 <Steven> ... but we don't need it for last call
14:39:03 <Rich> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Accessible_DHTML
14:39:59 <Steven> Steven: That's a good example to point him to, thanks.
14:42:48 <Steven> Topic: RDFa
14:44:48 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax
14:45:03 <Steven> Steven: THe Task Force is coming to a resolution on all points now
14:45:13 <Steven> ... the draft syntax document is taking shape
14:45:28 <Steven> ... so this WG should now/soon have a look at it
14:45:37 <Steven> ... this is for a SWD FtF in October
14:46:13 <Steven> s/TH/
14:46:17 <Steven> s/TH/Th
14:49:17 <Steven> Rich: Is the CURIE spec finished?
14:49:19 <Steven> Shane: No
14:49:28 <Steven> Rich: How do we use it then?
14:50:11 <Steven> Steven: We are including the syntax and semantics inline in the role spec, so that the CURIE spec doesn't hold up role
14:50:16 <Steven> Topic: Access
14:50:25 <Steven> Shane: Did we get rid of the riase attribute?
14:50:37 <Steven> s/riase/raise/
14:50:56 <Steven> Steven: I don't remember, I'd have to chech the minutes
14:51:08 <Steven> Shane: I'm pretty sure we did; I think I'm OK
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14:52:12 <oedipus> sorry i'm late, but workmen have caused power outages and the phone line still doesn't work, so i have no choice but to belatedly relay my regrets
14:52:40 <Steven> Regrets+Gregory
14:54:53 <Steven> Topic: CURIEs
14:56:00 <Steven> Steven: I think we have dealt with all the comments we have got
14:56:12 <Steven> ... did we deal with the default namespace?
14:56:32 <Steven> Shane: We don't talk about namespaces any more, but we do say what happens when there is no prefix
14:59:17 <Steven> [discussion of the relevant text in the RDFa spec]
14:59:48 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
14:59:49 <Steven> Steven: Reminder - no call next week
14:59:50 <Zakim> -Steven
14:59:52 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:59:54 <Zakim> -Rich
14:59:58 <Zakim> -Alessio
15:00:00 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
15:00:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Dialer, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Steven, Rich, Alessio
15:00:08 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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16:15:17 <Steven> zakim, bye
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