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15:00:18 <HarryH> HarryH has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG Sept 5
15:02:04 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has now started
15:02:11 <Zakim> +john-l
15:02:46 <HarryH> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:02:46 <Zakim> working on it, HarryH
15:02:47 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-09-04T11:00-0400
15:02:48 <Zakim> agendum 10 added
15:02:50 <Zakim> agenda+ Community Survey, Quick Reference (GRDDL Outreach)
15:02:53 <Zakim> agendum 11 added
15:02:54 <Zakim> agenda+ Atom, XML Vocabularies (GRDDL Outreach)
15:02:57 <Zakim> agendum 12 added
15:02:58 <Zakim> agenda+ W3C GRDDL Service
15:02:59 <Zakim> agendum 13 added
15:03:00 <Zakim> agenda+ Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5: head/@profile at risk
15:03:03 <Zakim> agendum 14 added
15:03:05 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Wrap-Up
15:03:11 <Zakim> agendum 15 added
15:03:15 <Zakim> done reading agenda, HarryH
15:03:17 <Zakim> +??P29
15:03:29 <john-l> Zakim, ??P29 is jjc
15:03:29 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
15:03:54 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
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15:04:26 <Zakim> +??P4
15:04:33 <Simone> Zakim, ??P4 is me
15:04:33 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
15:06:39 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, jjc, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone
15:08:04 <Zakim> +HarryH
15:08:49 <HarryH> chair: HarryH
15:08:53 <HarryH> scribe: john-l
15:08:59 <HarryH> regrets: jjc, murray
15:09:09 <Simone> Zakim, mute me
15:09:09 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted
15:09:11 <HarryH> regrets: murray
15:09:18 <jjc> huge amounts of noise
15:09:32 <jjc> it's better
15:09:46 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:09:46 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Dublin Core, Microformat Profiles (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up
15:10:10 <Zakim> +??P12
15:10:31 <danja> Zakim, ??P12 is me
15:10:31 <Zakim> +danja; got it
15:11:18 <john-l> HarryH: There is some interest in pursuing certain things...
15:11:26 <john-l> ... such as XSLT for microformats,
15:11:27 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:11:27 <Zakim> agendum 7. "W3C GRDDL Service" taken up
15:11:36 <john-l> ... and possibly some good ideas for WSGI mapping.
15:11:39 <Zakim> +DanC
15:11:41 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 2
15:11:41 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Standard Library Transform" taken up
15:11:56 <HarryH> Zakim, clear agenda
15:11:56 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:12:11 <HarryH> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:12:11 <Zakim> working on it, HarryH
15:12:12 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-09-04T11:00-0400
15:12:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
15:12:16 <Zakim> agenda+ Community Survey, Quick Reference (GRDDL Outreach)
15:12:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
15:12:20 <Zakim> agenda+ Atom, XML Vocabularies (GRDDL Outreach)
15:12:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
15:12:23 <Zakim> agenda+ W3C GRDDL Service
15:12:24 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:12:25 <Zakim> agenda+ Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5: head/@profile at risk
15:12:26 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
15:12:27 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Wrap-Up
15:12:28 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
15:12:29 <Zakim> done reading agenda, HarryH
15:12:37 <john-l> HarryH: Update on Atom?
15:12:52 <john-l> danja: There isn't a transformation that's quite ready yet.
15:12:52 <danja> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JulSep/0052.html
15:12:58 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 2
15:12:58 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Community Survey, Quick Reference (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up
15:13:02 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 3
15:13:02 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Atom, XML Vocabularies (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up
15:13:50 <john-l> ... I'm thinking of backporting Henry Story's XSLT 2 to XSLT 1.
15:14:36 <john-l> ... One of the problems is that you can have multiple atom:entry elements with the same atom:id, which would be lost in RSS.
15:15:28 <john-l> ... Everything that wouldn't map to something obvious like Dublin Core seems to require a custom vocab (as opposed to RSS).
15:16:20 <john-l> ... There are also questions about how to deal with Atom's extensibility.
15:16:47 <john-l> ... Complex extensibility may need to be skipped.
15:17:52 <john-l> Harry: Huge political issues?
15:18:12 <john-l> danja: I'd be worried about a translation to RSS as it might be misinterpreted as "use RSS 1".
15:18:21 <john-l> ... I don't think it's a huge issue.
15:18:47 <DanC> q+ to get sync'd
15:18:58 <john-l> q+ to toss in his $.02
15:19:00 <HarryH> ack DanC
15:19:00 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to get sync'd
15:20:08 <HarryH> ACTION: [CONTINUES]danja and john-l to test and see if any XSLT is mature enough to add to ATOM namespace doc and has proper licensing (W3C Software license), as well as canvass all candidate XSLT authors for their opinion on ATOM/RSS 1.0 namespace.
15:20:14 <HarryH> ack john-l
15:20:14 <Zakim> john-l, you wanted to toss in his $.02
15:20:42 <DanC> (questions like whether a GRDDL txform for Atom should support round-tripping show that this task is big enough to merit its own use-cases/requirements document, meeting series, etc.)
15:21:27 <john-l> DanC: XG for talking about Atom RDF schema?
15:21:51 <john-l> ... CCF, Talis, and Harry's employer, possibly.
15:22:08 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 1
15:22:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-09-04T11:00-0400" taken up
15:22:18 <HarryH> next meeting?
15:22:27 <danja> (Henry Story works for Sun - I'm guessing they're w3c members)
15:23:31 <john-l> DanC: The rec is in the hands of the directory, but the director's this amorphous blob...
15:23:49 <john-l> s/directory/director/
15:25:40 <john-l> DanC: Groups should continue to meet for ~ 6 months after Rec.
15:25:54 <john-l> ... Those meetings should be scheduled, but not necessarily frequent.
15:25:57 <DanC> s/the directory/The Director/
15:26:13 <john-l> ... I recommend keeping the 12 September meeting.
15:26:35 <HarryH> RESOLVED: Meeting Sept. 12th scribe Chime
15:27:31 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 4
15:27:31 <Zakim> agendum 4. "W3C GRDDL Service" taken up
15:27:51 <john-l> DanC: Yay, we have a GRDDL service!
15:28:00 <HarryH> yay!
15:28:04 <danja> wheeee!
15:28:04 <john-l> HarryH: Should we push to hook that up to the HTML validation service?
15:28:14 <DanC> new svc http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Aug/0040.html
15:28:20 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/grddl/
15:29:07 <john-l> DanC: Has anyone tried to run the whole test suite against this thing?
15:29:23 <john-l> danja: I think I've blogged about it, but I could always write more.
15:29:29 <danja> :-)
15:30:34 <john-l> DanC: The people who want GRDDL know they want GRDDL.
15:31:33 <john-l> HarryH: Useful for advertising the GRDDL service.
15:32:18 <john-l> ... Also convenience.
15:33:06 <john-l> chimezie: Both human readable and machine readable data in one place.
15:33:15 <john-l> DanC: More detail?
15:33:40 <DanC> Zakim, who's talking?
15:33:51 <Zakim> DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HarryH (5%), DanC (69%)
15:34:04 <john-l> I have a crazy one: automatically returning validity reports.
15:35:26 <danja> http://www.dopplr.com
15:35:31 <john-l> DanC: Dopplr links up friends who are traveling.  When signing up for these services, they can glean data from your previously existing microformats instances.
15:36:00 <DanC> http://del.icio.us/connolly/Oxford
15:36:18 <DanC> http://del.icio.us/connolly/Chicago
15:36:29 <danja> (dopplr built by Matt Biddulph - has done semwebishness in the past - think he was involved in the BBC catalogue RDF exposure)
15:36:41 <DanC> http://flickr.com/photos/vistamonster/1278291316/in/pool-aeachicago07/
15:37:54 <DanC> http://flickr.com/photos/talkinhonky/1259671699/
15:39:28 <john-l> DanC: I think it would be cool if the RDF validator had GRDDL built-in.
15:40:17 <john-l> ... So you could point it at a web page and validate its RDF directly.
15:40:27 <HarryH> jjc?
15:40:51 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 5
15:40:51 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5: head/@profile at risk" taken up
15:41:28 <john-l> HarryH: New stuff from the XHTML WG, URI forthcoming...
15:43:37 <DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0002.html
15:43:59 <john-l> What prevents folks from GRDDLing XHTML using the XML declaration mechanism?  Simply the desire to have XHTML validity?
15:44:41 <HarryH> ACTION: 
15:44:53 <john-l> DanC: We object; GRDDL doesn't allow any wiggle room, and the syntax has been stable for a long time.
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15:45:00 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to tell XHTML2 WG to not change syntax
15:45:33 <dbooth> zakim, code?
15:45:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 47335 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dbooth
15:45:39 <john-l> DanC: You can't point to a profile via that mechanism.
15:45:45 <Zakim> +DBooth
15:46:15 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:46:18 <DanC> RRSAgent, pointer?
15:46:18 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-grddl-wg-irc#T15-46-18
15:46:20 <john-l> chimezie: Yes, using the XML mechanism would not be compatible with XHTML 2.
15:46:37 <chimezie> I don't think we can fight the good fight in all the relevant specs, but people *will* decide for themselves if validity is more important thatn having useful metadata
15:46:40 <DanC> (the systems guys fixed the chacl latency, FYI.)
15:46:48 <john-l> chimezie: It wouldn't be valid.
15:47:12 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:47:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth
15:47:21 <john-l> chimezie: But I think sidestepping validity will happen if they really need RDF.
15:48:10 <HarryH> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Chime to comment to XHTML2 comment list about preserving head/@profile re GRDDL and backwards-compatibility.
15:48:11 <john-l> And of course, people can always expand the definition of validity by imposing a slightly broader schema.
15:48:15 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 6
15:48:15 <Zakim> agendum 6. "GRDDL Wrap-Up" taken up
15:48:32 <DanC> (oops; can we talk about ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl ?)
15:50:06 <DanC> ACTION DanC: get GRDDL service to offer text/n3 and text/plain for turtle
15:50:16 <john-l> DanC: What happens when we run the W3C home page through the GRDDL service?
15:50:47 <john-l> ... seems like home2rss.xsl is working in that case.
15:50:50 <dbooth> Meeting: GRDDL Teleconference
15:50:51 <HarryH>  ACTION: [DONE] DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl
15:51:11 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
15:51:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, jjc, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone (muted), HarryH, danja, DanC, DBooth
15:51:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see dbooth, chimezie, jjc, danja, RRSAgent, john-l, HarryH, Simone, briansuda, DanC, Zakim
15:51:21 <HarryH> Send me more tutorials and links
15:52:40 <danja> see also: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/RecommendedTutorials
15:53:31 <HarryH> Simone, logo update?
15:53:50 <Simone> Simone: not also, so we are waiting from W3C comm team for all Semantic Web logos
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15:53:56 <DanC> Simone, I talked with Ian Jacobs about semantic web logs and the SemWeb Ed/Outreach IG... I can't remember the details.
15:54:18 <DanC> ah... so the comm team has the ball...
15:54:24 <DanC> is there a due date?
15:55:13 <Simone> Simone: I've talked with benjamin but there are no news about dates and/or Time
15:55:16 <DanC> you say "we are waiting"; waiting until when?
15:55:19 <DanC> ok
15:55:30 <DanC> benjamin = Ben Adida?
15:55:55 <Simone> Simone: no, Benjamin from SWEO
15:56:24 <DanC> hmm...
15:56:39 <jjc> (bye everyone)
15:56:41 <Simone> Simone: he also edited all wiki pages for Semweb Logos
15:56:42 <Zakim> -jjc
15:56:54 <DanC> ah... Benjamin Nowack
15:57:03 <Simone> and GRDDL WG logo proposal are on wiki page
15:57:16 <Simone> Simone: @DanC: yes, he
15:57:20 <DanC> ok, thanks
15:57:46 <Simone> Simone: if there are news I'll mail the list
15:59:19 <Zakim> -DanC
15:59:31 <danja> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Sep/0000.html
15:59:35 <john-l> danja: I've received a response from the DC folks, which I've posted to the list.
15:59:37 <danja> re. GRDDL & DC
16:00:07 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:00:09 <Zakim> -john-l
16:00:10 <Zakim> -DBooth
16:00:12 <Zakim> -danja
16:00:33 <john-l> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:00:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-grddl-wg-minutes.html john-l
16:00:49 <Zakim> -Simone
16:01:12 <john-l> Zakim, who attended the meeting?
16:01:12 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, john-l.
16:01:29 <john-l> Zakim, list attendees
16:01:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been john-l, jjc, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone, HarryH, danja, DanC, DBooth
16:01:40 <john-l> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-grddl-wg-minutes.html john-l
16:01:59 <dbooth> Present: Chimezie, Harry, DanC, DannyAyres, Simone, Jeremy, JohnClark, DBooth (arrive late)
16:02:17 <john-l> Hm, I thought "list attendees" did that automagically.  :)
16:02:29 <john-l> There we go.
16:03:08 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:03:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth
16:03:21 <john-l> I'll edit those and get them out later today.
16:03:43 <dbooth> regrets+ RonReck
16:04:05 <HarryH> thanks!
16:04:15 <Zakim> -HarryH
16:04:19 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
16:04:20 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:04:21 <Zakim> Attendees were john-l, jjc, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone, HarryH, danja, DanC, DBooth
16:04:25 <Zakim> apparently SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended, HarryH
16:04:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see dbooth, danja, RRSAgent, john-l, HarryH, Simone, briansuda, DanC, Zakim
16:05:00 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
16:05:10 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:05:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth
16:05:18 <danja> Zakim, fancy dinner tonight?
16:05:25 <danja> bye
16:05:30 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, danja.
16:05:36 <john-l> Zakim, all your base are belong to us
16:06:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'all your base are belong to us', john-l
16:06:28 <HarryH> Zakim, anything
16:06:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'anything', HarryH
16:06:47 <HarryH> Zakim, you in particular
16:06:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'you in particular', HarryH
16:07:04 <john-l> Too funny.
16:07:17 <HarryH> Zakim, why you continually irritate me by using contradictions trying to figure out who is on the phone
16:07:17 <Zakim> I don't understand you, HarryH
16:07:21 <HarryH> :)
16:07:38 <HarryH> Zakim, why you continually irritate me by using contractions
16:07:38 <Zakim> I don't understand you, HarryH
16:07:44 <HarryH> Zakim, why you continually irritate me 
16:07:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'why you continually irritate me', HarryH
16:07:57 <danja> lol
16:08:06 <danja> byee
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16:13:38 <Zakim> ... and let him know
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