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14:55:11 <John_Boyer> zakim, this will be forms
14:55:11 <Zakim> ok, John_Boyer; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:23 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
14:55:31 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
14:55:43 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
14:55:51 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Sep/0009.html
14:56:00 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Sep/0009.html
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14:58:39 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
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14:59:53 <wellsk> zakim, who is here?
15:00:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see wellsk
15:00:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see unl, Rafael, klotz, wellsk, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, MarkS, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:00:42 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
15:01:22 <Zakim> +Rafa
15:02:23 <MarkS> I am having trouble phoning in - I keep getting disconnected
15:02:42 <Zakim> +unl
15:02:43 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
15:02:49 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:02:53 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
15:03:01 <Nick> zakim, code
15:03:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', Nick
15:03:05 <Nick> zakim, code?
15:03:07 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Nick
15:03:07 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:03:13 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:03:34 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:03:34 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:03:37 <Zakim> +Steven
15:03:52 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:03:56 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:04:08 <Charlie> Charlie has joined #forms
15:04:20 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:04:20 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:04:31 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
15:04:39 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
15:04:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Rafa, unl (muted), John_Boyer, [IBM], Steven, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted)
15:04:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see Charlie, Nick, unl, Rafael, klotz, wellsk, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, MarkS, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:05:00 <Charlie> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
15:05:00 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
15:05:03 <Zakim> +??P9
15:05:04 <Rafael> Zakim, Rafa is Rafael
15:05:04 <Zakim> +Rafael; got it
15:05:55 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Sep/0009.html
15:06:05 <MarkS> zakim, ??p9 is MarkS
15:06:05 <Zakim> +MarkS; got it
15:10:29 <Nick> that will be great 
15:12:49 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
15:12:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
15:13:28 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
15:13:28 <Charlie> * yes, I got 109 euros there
15:13:44 <Charlie> but that was a negotiated rate
15:14:30 <Nick> * ok then I'm going to book that hotel for 185 euros :(
15:14:44 <Charlie> * or check to see what john has
15:15:02 <Nick> * Jhon what was the name of your hotel
15:15:52 <Steven> http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=porta+da+sol,+madrid,+spain&btnG=Search+Addresses
15:15:59 <Rafael> Puerta del Sol
15:16:59 <John_Boyer> meet at 8 there
15:17:03 <Rafael> under the Puerta del Sol clock
15:17:50 <klotz> RESOLUTION: Meet at <a href="http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;q=puerta+da+sol,+madrid,+spain">Puerta del Sol</a>, under the clock, at 8:00 for coffee, leaving at 8:45.  Meeting is at SATEC at 9:30-15:30, with lunch at 1:30.
15:18:10 <klotz> s/15:30/17:30/
15:18:36 <Steven> http://madridspain.ca/attractions/clocktower.html
15:26:37 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#ui-input
15:27:30 <Nick> ack me
15:27:42 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:27:42 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:28:23 <MarkS> for our mobile client there is no concept of "return"
15:28:48 <John_Boyer> This form control enables free-form data entry and is intended for use in entering multiline content, e.g., the body of an email message.
15:29:01 <John_Boyer> above is description of textarea
15:30:55 <John_Boyer> Description of input: This form control enables free-form data entry.
15:32:11 <Nick> yes
15:36:05 <MarkS> our implementation uses input for multiline text 
15:41:02 <Nick> then we need to add to input that it should be able to activate it
15:41:13 <Nick> and can this be done on all devices
15:43:40 <Nick> So we agree that we can mandate that you can activate an input on all devices?
15:46:57 <Nick> ack me
15:49:30 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:49:30 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:50:20 <klotz> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dubinko+input+domactivate+send&btnG=Google+Search
15:51:05 <Nick> ack me
15:51:12 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:51:13 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:51:51 <Nick> but that breaks Johns example for default submissions
15:52:31 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to remove line of text about multi-line text and write example for input section showing DOMActivate causing send for group review.
15:52:31 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:52:31 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:52:38 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#rpm-events
15:55:00 <Nick> not for all I think
15:59:19 <Nick> John did you read my e-mail about that?
15:59:27 <Zakim> -Charlie
16:00:19 <Nick> I can't find any language in the spec that let me believe that 
16:00:19 <Nick> non-relevant nodes aren't available to the controller. I find a lot of 
16:00:19 <Nick> references that those nodes should not be available to the UI (e.g.: The 
16:00:19 <Nick> relevant model item property provides hints to the XForms __user 
16:00:19 <Nick> I can't find any language in the spec that let me believe that non-relevant nodes aren't available to the controller. I find a lot of references that those nodes should not be available to the UI (e.g.: The relevant model item property provides hints to the XForms __user interface__ regarding visibility, focus, and navigation order., in 9.1 The XForms Group Module,... ) and that they should be pruned by submission.
16:00:23 <Nick> XForms Group Module,... ) and that they should be pruned by submission.
16:05:20 <Nick> bye
16:05:30 <Rafael> bye
16:05:30 <klotz> call in or skype next week?
16:05:34 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
16:05:36 <Zakim> -Steven
16:05:40 <Zakim> -wellsk
16:05:42 <Zakim> -unl
16:05:44 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
16:05:44 <wellsk> wellsk has left #forms
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16:05:50 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
16:05:52 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:05:54 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
16:05:56 <Zakim> Attendees were wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, unl, John_Boyer, Steven, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Charlie, Rafael, MarkS, markbirbeck
16:06:17 <MarkS> MarkS has left #forms
16:07:00 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
16:07:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:07:36 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
16:07:36 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-forms-actions.rdf :
16:07:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to remove line of text about multi-line text and write example for input section showing DOMActivate causing send for group review. [1]
16:07:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-forms-irc#T15-52-31