IRC log of er on 2007-09-05

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13:48:26 [Zakim]

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13:48:32 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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regrets: CarlosI

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Sep/0003.html

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agenda+ "Content" in EARL 1.0 Schema and in HTTP-in-RDF

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agenda+ Inferred test results

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agenda+ Face to face meeting

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Shadi

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regrets: CarlosI, David

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+CarlosV

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regrets: Johannes, CarlosI, David

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+Reinhard

14:10:01 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. ""Content" in EARL 1.0 Schema and in HTTP-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]

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scribe: Shadi

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saz: merging earl:Content and http:Content?

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[agreement]

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RESOLUTION: merge earl:Content and http:Content classes

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saz: separating http:Content from HTTP-in-RDF?

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[agreement]

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RESOLUTION: separate http:Content from HTTP-in-RDF into a different namespace and different document

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saz: who does the work?

14:14:30 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-RFC822-in-RDF-20060502

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Aug/0003.html

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cv: has nothing to do with RFC822 -just Content, Base64Content, TextContent, XMLContent, etc

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http:Content

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http:Base64Content rdfs:subClassOf http:Content

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|- 1 http:bytes

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http:bytes (rdfs:Literal, typed: xsd:base64Binary)

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http:TextContent rdfs:subClassOf http:Content

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|- 1 http:chars

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http:chars (rdfs:Literal)

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http:XMLContent rdfs:subClassOf http:Content

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|- 0..1 http:xmlLeadingMisc

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|- 0..1 http:docTypeDecl

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|- 1 http:xmlRest

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http:xmlLeadingMisc (rdfs:XMLLiteral)

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http:docTypeDecl (http:DocTypeDecl)

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http:xmlRest (rdfs:XMLLiteral)

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http:DocTypeDecl

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|- 1 http:dtdName

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|- 0..1 http:publicId

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|- 0..1 http:systemId

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|- 0..1 http:internalSubset

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http:dtdName (rdfs:Literal)

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http:publicId (rdfs:Literal)

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http:systemId (rdfs:Literal, typed: xsd:anyURI)

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http:internalSubset (rdfs:Literal)

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saz: anything else besides these classes and properties as part of the new document?

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RESOLUTION: rfc822:Message (includes message headers and message body) is out of scope

14:25:31 [CarlosV]

[RFC2616] Fielding R, Gettys J, Mogul J, Frystik H, Masinter L, Berners-Lee T (eds) (1999). Hypertext Transfer Protocol – HTTP/1.1. Request for Comments: 2616. IETF. Available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt

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saz: need to clarify how this relates to the TAG definitions (especially for URI)

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...for example, "while URI define resources by the conceptual properties, the Content Class focuses on the presentation instance" or such

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...something to clarify the relationship between both pieces

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cv: as testers we are only interested in the presentation of URIs

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action: CarlosV talk with Johannes and Reinhard on working on the new "Content Class document"

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saz: we should think about an appropriate name

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 2. "Inferred test results" taken up [from shadi]

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saz: replacing earl:inferred with an aggregation logic

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rr: semi-automatic is misleading in the current definition need mixed

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cv: combination of 99 automatic and 1 manual test to become manual is also not logic

14:47:21 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Jul/0019.html

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- earl:semiAutomatic

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Where the test was partially carried out by the software tool, but where

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human input or judgment was still required to decide or help decide the

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outcome of the test.

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for discussion:

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#1. if all sub-tests were carried out in the same test mode, then the

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test mode of the combined test is same.

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#2. if the test mode of any of the sub-tests is "undisclosed", then the

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test mode of the combined test is also "undisclosed".

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#3. for all other test mode combinations of sub-tests, the test mode of

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the combined test is "semi-automatic".

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Sep/0008.html

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cv: would prefer a mixed mode

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saz: as a value or modifier?

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rr: you move the statement from one place to the other, why is it better

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cv: agree

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...inferred implies some logic but "aggregated" is more neutral

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-Reinhard

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-Shadi

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-CarlosV

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, CarlosV, Reinhard

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zakim, bye

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/05-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: CarlosV talk with Johannes and Reinhard on working on the new "Content Class document" [1]

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