IRC log of er on 2007-09-05

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13:48:20 [RRSAgent]
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logging to
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13:48:32 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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chair: Shadi
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regrets: CarlosI
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agenda+ "Content" in EARL 1.0 Schema and in HTTP-in-RDF
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agenda+ Inferred test results
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agenda+ Face to face meeting
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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14:02:24 [shadi]
regrets: CarlosI, David
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regrets: Johannes, CarlosI, David
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14:10:01 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
14:10:01 [Zakim]
agendum 1. ""Content" in EARL 1.0 Schema and in HTTP-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]
14:11:05 [shadi]
scribe: Shadi
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saz: merging earl:Content and http:Content?
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RESOLUTION: merge earl:Content and http:Content classes
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saz: separating http:Content from HTTP-in-RDF?
14:12:38 [shadi]
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RESOLUTION: separate http:Content from HTTP-in-RDF into a different namespace and different document
14:13:53 [shadi]
saz: who does the work?
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cv: has nothing to do with RFC822 -just Content, Base64Content, TextContent, XMLContent, etc
14:18:18 [shadi]
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http:Base64Content rdfs:subClassOf http:Content
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|- 1 http:bytes
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http:bytes (rdfs:Literal, typed: xsd:base64Binary)
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http:TextContent rdfs:subClassOf http:Content
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|- 1 http:chars
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http:chars (rdfs:Literal)
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http:XMLContent rdfs:subClassOf http:Content
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|- 0..1 http:xmlLeadingMisc
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|- 0..1 http:docTypeDecl
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|- 1 http:xmlRest
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http:xmlLeadingMisc (rdfs:XMLLiteral)
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http:docTypeDecl (http:DocTypeDecl)
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http:xmlRest (rdfs:XMLLiteral)
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|- 1 http:dtdName
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|- 0..1 http:publicId
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|- 0..1 http:systemId
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|- 0..1 http:internalSubset
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http:dtdName (rdfs:Literal)
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http:publicId (rdfs:Literal)
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http:systemId (rdfs:Literal, typed: xsd:anyURI)
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http:internalSubset (rdfs:Literal)
14:19:00 [shadi]
saz: anything else besides these classes and properties as part of the new document?
14:22:05 [shadi]
RESOLUTION: rfc822:Message (includes message headers and message body) is out of scope
14:25:31 [CarlosV]
[RFC2616] Fielding R, Gettys J, Mogul J, Frystik H, Masinter L, Berners-Lee T (eds) (1999). Hypertext Transfer Protocol – HTTP/1.1. Request for Comments: 2616. IETF. Available at:
14:30:37 [shadi]
saz: need to clarify how this relates to the TAG definitions (especially for URI)
14:31:27 [shadi]
...for example, "while URI define resources by the conceptual properties, the Content Class focuses on the presentation instance" or such
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...something to clarify the relationship between both pieces
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cv: as testers we are only interested in the presentation of URIs
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action: CarlosV talk with Johannes and Reinhard on working on the new "Content Class document"
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saz: we should think about an appropriate name
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zakim, take up next
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agendum 2. "Inferred test results" taken up [from shadi]
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saz: replacing earl:inferred with an aggregation logic
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rr: semi-automatic is misleading in the current definition need mixed
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cv: combination of 99 automatic and 1 manual test to become manual is also not logic
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- earl:semiAutomatic
14:47:45 [shadi]
Where the test was partially carried out by the software tool, but where
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human input or judgment was still required to decide or help decide the
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outcome of the test.
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for discussion:
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#1. if all sub-tests were carried out in the same test mode, then the
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test mode of the combined test is same.
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#2. if the test mode of any of the sub-tests is "undisclosed", then the
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test mode of the combined test is also "undisclosed".
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#3. for all other test mode combinations of sub-tests, the test mode of
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the combined test is "semi-automatic".
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14:57:07 [shadi]
cv: would prefer a mixed mode
14:58:27 [shadi]
saz: as a value or modifier?
14:58:56 [shadi]
rr: you move the statement from one place to the other, why is it better
14:59:00 [shadi]
cv: agree
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...inferred implies some logic but "aggregated" is more neutral
15:01:29 [Zakim]
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, CarlosV, Reinhard
15:05:21 [shadi]
zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in :
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ACTION: CarlosV talk with Johannes and Reinhard on working on the new "Content Class document" [1]
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