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14:51:27 <TomB> rrsagent, bookmark
14:51:27 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T14-51-27
14:51:33 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
14:51:33 <Zakim> ok, TomB; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:52:03 <mhausenblas> Meeting: Semantic Web Deployment Working Group - Telecon 2007-09-04, 15:00 UTC 
14:52:10 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0003.html
14:52:18 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:52:25 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
14:52:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:52:36 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes previous 2007-08-28
14:52:44 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Vit_Novacek
14:52:49 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Clay_Redding
14:52:55 <mhausenblas> Chair: Tom
14:53:00 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas
14:53:06 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
14:53:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
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14:54:08 <TomB> regrets+ Quentin, Simone
14:57:48 <TomB> regrets+ Daniel, Sean, Vit, Quentin, Simone
14:57:49 <RalphS> regrets+ Sean
14:58:17 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started
14:58:26 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
14:58:56 <Zakim> +??P15
14:59:04 <TomB> zakim, ??P15 is TomB
14:59:04 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
14:59:30 <Zakim> +Ralph
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15:01:08 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:01:24 <ed> zakim, LC is edsu
15:01:26 <Zakim> sorry, ed, I do not recognize a party named 'LC'
15:02:00 <Zakim> +Rodrigo
15:02:10 <berrueta> Zakim, Rodrigo is me
15:02:11 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
15:03:07 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:03:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
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15:04:06 <RalphS> zakim, ??p35 is Alistair
15:04:06 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
15:04:37 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
15:04:46 <Zakim> +Guus
15:04:51 <Zakim> +Jon_Phipps
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15:05:12 <mhausenblas> Topic: ADMIN
15:05:16 <mhausenblas> PROPOSED to accept minutes of -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html 2007-08-28 
15:05:33 <JonP> zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
15:05:33 <Zakim> +JonP; got it
15:05:35 <mhausenblas> Tom: There was a minor issue, though
15:05:35 <guus> second
15:05:38 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: accepted minutes of 28 Aug 2007
15:05:45 <mhausenblas> upcoming telecon: 11 Sep
15:05:50 <mhausenblas> face-to-face meeting - Amsterdam - October 8-9 2007 
15:06:07 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.few.vu.nl/~aisaac/swd/ Logistics 
15:06:12 <guus> regrets for 17 Sep [dinner in House of Lords :-)]
15:06:16 <RalphS> regrets from me for 11 Sep telecon
15:06:22 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda draft agenda
15:06:33 <mhausenblas> -> ttp://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/swd-ftf-adam-registration/ registration
15:06:51 <mhausenblas> s/ttp://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/swd-ftf-adam-registration/http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/swd-ftf-adam-registration/
15:07:59 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Guus to update the f2f agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action07]
15:08:03 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:08:16 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:08:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:08:33 <mhausenblas> Topic: SKOS
15:08:42 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#SKOS
15:08:53 <mhausenblas> Tom: New issue "Drawing the pictures" - see Sean's posting
15:09:03 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Aug/0016.html post
15:09:11 <mhausenblas> Tom: Any volunteers?
15:10:20 <mhausenblas> ... not a major issue; postpone
15:10:27 <mhausenblas> ISSUE 35: ConceptSchemeContainment (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/36)
15:10:55 <TomB> Guus proposes that we not discuss "drawing the picture" at the F2F unless we have a document to discuss.
15:11:15 <mhausenblas> Guus: Discussed with Sean
15:11:34 <mhausenblas> ... encourage people to use owl:import
15:11:58 <mhausenblas> ... enables to make statements on multiple documents
15:12:26 <mhausenblas> ... merge graphs
15:13:09 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about the issue of containment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:13:13 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:13:36 <mhausenblas> Guus: Will prepare this for F2F
15:13:41 <mhausenblas> Issue-26: RelationshipsBetweenLabels (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/26)
15:14:03 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]
15:14:08 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:14:18 <mhausenblas> Guus: Will be finished within next two weeks
15:14:26 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
15:14:29 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:14:39 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05] 
15:14:45 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:15:12 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-31 BasicLexicalLabelSemantics proposed resolution
15:15:19 <mhausenblas> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0170.html
15:16:05 <mhausenblas> Tom: Alistair, is it a good place at the agenda for the F2F
15:16:22 <mhausenblas> Tom: Should we copy in the proposed solution?
15:17:01 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Tom to paste proposed solution to ISSUE-31 into F2F agenda
15:17:10 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-38 CompatibilityWithOWL-DL
15:17:20 <guus> [sorry, i get called away for a few minutes]
15:17:26 <mhausenblas> OWL Full tag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jul/0124.html
15:18:00 <mhausenblas> XXX: Compatibility with OWL-DL
15:18:25 <mhausenblas> ... issue; new OWL 1.1 WG in the pipeline
15:18:48 <mhausenblas> ... might be resolved within this new OWL version
15:19:12 <mhausenblas> s/XXX/Alistair
15:19:20 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
15:19:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:20:21 <mhausenblas> Elisa: We've been following the OWL 1.1 development
15:20:46 <mhausenblas> ... Sean may have a better idea about the timeline
15:21:07 <mhausenblas> Tom: Drop it for F2F
15:21:16 <mhausenblas> Topic: RDFa
15:21:27 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa RDFa Overview document
15:21:36 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ben to bring up the HTML WG review of RDFa syntax with Steven [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:21:39 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:21:47 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#item03 XHTML2 WG review
15:22:09 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Ben reminded Steven P. on the process
15:22:52 <mhausenblas> ... Shane and Marc take care for the Syntax doc
15:23:02 <mhausenblas> s/Marc/Mark
15:23:21 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa
15:23:54 <mhausenblas> Schedule is out of sync!
15:24:38 <mhausenblas> Tom: I find it confusing looking at the Wiki page wrt F2F
15:25:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: Syntay - mean http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070830/ ?
15:25:32 <mhausenblas> s/Syntay/Syntax
15:26:11 <mhausenblas> Overview available at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts
15:27:22 <mhausenblas> Tom: No preferences where to keep it updated 
15:29:29 <mhausenblas> Michael: Looking at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#RDFa
15:30:49 <mhausenblas> Tom: RDFa issues at F2F are Syntax doc and  get buy-in from rest of WG on final design
15:31:08 <mhausenblas> ... should prepare a snapshot around 24 Sep
15:31:34 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF
15:31:49 <mhausenblas> Topic: RECIPES
15:31:55 <mhausenblas> see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#Recipes
15:32:00 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]
15:32:04 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:32:10 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Diego to prepare a f2f agenda topic for recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action08]
15:32:13 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:32:21 <berrueta> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0004.html
15:32:29 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0004.html Diego's f2f Recipes agendum
15:33:48 <mhausenblas> Diego: Had a discussion with Jon just before the telecon
15:34:05 <mhausenblas> ... can I commit the agenda to the Wiki?
15:34:50 <guus> [sorry for my absence, I' back]
15:34:50 <mhausenblas> Tom: Would be helpful for each discussion item to have a reading list
15:35:03 <mhausenblas> Topic: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
15:35:09 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#VocabularyMgt
15:36:41 <mhausenblas> Elisa: Peter (?) might shed some light on this and I see synergies
15:36:57 <mhausenblas> ... agenda is capable of holding this?
15:37:05 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Vit to prepare WG agenda for VM by 11 September [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action10]
15:37:06 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:37:16 <TomB> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Aug/0037.html
15:37:26 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06]
15:37:29 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:37:36 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:37:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:37:59 <mhausenblas> Tom: Can someone take an action to update the Wiki?
15:38:43 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Elisa to update the VocabMgt agenda in the F2F
15:39:31 <mhausenblas> Tom: TAG and ZZZ reviewed the voc management doc
15:39:55 <mhausenblas> ... my question is regarding the scope
15:40:13 <mhausenblas> Elisa: Talking about URI # vs. / issues
15:40:44 <mhausenblas> ... beyond that it does not talk about other things
15:41:20 <mhausenblas> Tom: Should point from the SWD page to it
15:41:27 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:41:36 <mhausenblas> Tom: AOB?
15:41:56 <mhausenblas> Tom: Guus, anything about arrangements at F2F?
15:42:13 <mhausenblas> ... dinner for those who arrive Sun night
15:42:38 <mhausenblas> Guus: Propose to start at 9:00 CET
15:42:57 <mhausenblas> ... end Tue on 17:00 CET
15:43:04 <RalphS> -> http://www.few.vu.nl/~aisaac/swd/hotels.php list of Amsterdam hotels
15:43:23 <mhausenblas> s/at 9:00 CET/on Mon at 9:00 CET
15:46:19 <RalphS> Guus: allow 15-20 mins from the University to Schiphol airport
15:46:26 <mhausenblas> Guus: Back to SKOS
15:46:51 <mhausenblas> ... regarding owl:import
15:47:30 <mhausenblas> ... in SPARQL you can use multiple graphs
15:48:40 <TomB> http://www2005.org/cdrom/docs/p613.pdf
15:49:03 <mhausenblas> Guus: My question to Alistair would be
15:49:30 <mhausenblas> ... if we can handle it without making SKOS dependent on OWL
15:49:49 <mhausenblas> Alistair: Using named graph
15:50:02 <mhausenblas> ... and give guidiance
15:50:23 <mhausenblas> s/guidiance/guidance
15:50:50 <Elisa> there may be some related insights for provenance, etc. in the proof markup language (pml) - see http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/KSL_Abstracts/KSL-04-01.html
15:50:57 <mhausenblas> ... not for using owl:import
15:51:32 <mhausenblas> Guus: I'm going to write up the proposal
15:51:59 <mhausenblas> Antoine: Objection against owl:import
15:52:33 <mhausenblas> Guus: One solution would be to defined ConceptScheme as a subclass of XXX
15:53:19 <mhausenblas> Tom: Thanks everyone
15:53:23 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
15:53:25 <Zakim> -Alistair
15:53:25 <Zakim> -Ed?
15:53:26 <Zakim> -Antoine
15:53:27 <Zakim> -JonP
15:53:29 <Zakim> -Ralph
15:53:31 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
15:53:35 <Zakim> -berrueta
15:54:41 <Zakim> -Guus
15:55:03 <mhausenblas> s/XXX/owl:Ontology
15:55:11 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
15:55:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:55:27 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, list participants 
15:55:27 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list participants ', mhausenblas.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:55:30 <TomB> rrsagent, list attendees
15:55:30 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', TomB.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:55:42 <TomB> zakim, list attendees
15:55:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Michael_Hausenblas, TomB, Ralph, Ed?, berrueta, Antoine, Alistair, Elisa_Kendall, Guus, JonP
15:55:48 <Antoine> Antoine has left #swd
15:55:58 <TomB> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:55:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html TomB
15:56:45 <Zakim> -TomB
15:56:47 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
15:56:48 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, TomB, Ralph, Ed?, berrueta, Antoine, Alistair, Elisa_Kendall, Guus, JonP
15:56:58 <mhausenblas>  zakim, list attendees
15:56:58 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is
15:58:40 <RalphS> zakim, bye
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15:58:44 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-actions.rdf :
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to update the f2f agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action07] [1]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-07-59
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about the issue of containment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [2]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-13-09
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04] [3]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-14-03
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05] [4]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-14-26
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]  [5]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-14-39
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Tom to paste proposed solution to ISSUE-31 into F2F agenda [6]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-17-01
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to bring up the HTML WG review of RDFa syntax with Steven [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action01] [7]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-21-36
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [8]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-31-34
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09] [9]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-32-00
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Diego to prepare a f2f agenda topic for recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action08] [10]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-32-10
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Vit to prepare WG agenda for VM by 11 September [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action10] [11]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-37-05
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06] [12]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-37-26
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elisa to update the VocabMgt agenda in the F2F [13]
15:58:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-38-43